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[CBGBConnisur]

Windstar, we must live in parallel dimensions or something, I live in New York City, and there is nothing like a German FKK in the New York metropolitan area. If there is please tell me where I can find it because I really need to get laid badly. I think i might have and idea of the type of club in New York you are talking about, its Acquiesce, right?? That place is a shithole, and its a really big shithole compared to an German FKK. Windstar, imagine this, try to picture a club where the women were attractive at worst and Supermodel Gorgeous at best, in fact, imagine a club where half the women were Supermodel Playboy quality, there are literally hundreds of clubs like this in Germany. That's what an FKK club is like. It is filled with gorgeous NUDE women who are only there for one thing, to please you. And on top of it, the cost is really affordable, for two reasons, the FKK business is highly competitive, the customers not the women and the brothels run the market(this is a complete turnaround from America where the *****s charge whatever they feel like charging), second, there are literally millions of beautiful women in Europe that work in the adult industry, third, the reason so many work in this industry is that sex is a natural thing in Europe, and there is nothing to be ashamed of in having sex for pleasure. There is no cynical attitude with the FKK, most women are young college aged students just trying to make ends meet. There are also some albeit older(late 20's, early 30's) ladies who work professionally but they do not feel oppressed in any way, shape, or form. The quality of German FKK women is a world above the chicks with dicks and neurotics of New York City, there is 0 cynicism with most FKK women, they really enjoy what they do and feel nothing wrong with it. As for the Eastern European women who work at the clubs, I don't know, most do it cause its quick money. Like I mentioned before, the attitude towards sex and prostitution in Europe is much more relaxed than it is in the prudish Bible loving USA. Sex is a natural thing in this part of the world not something dirty, and therefore the women will fulfill many of your dirtiest and wildest fantasies. In other words be prepared to be AMAZED. By the way women of FKK quality would charge you through the nose to fuck them in New York or elsewhere in the States, like ten times as much money or even more, that is, if your lucky enough to find someone of that quality in NYC, personally I have not been able to find that FKK quality woman in New York since I returned from Germany last year. There was one or two who came close while I was taking a walk from work this afternoon but they weren't up to par.

[Wizard]

WindStar from what you wrote and seem to be looking for ie private girls nypho's and GFE plus all you can eat action only paying for entry .the partytreff scene sounds like its what you are looking for .As long as you dont mind the more public sex that goes along with these clubs .
Read my FAQ in the Partytreff section to find out if it suits you or not .
Some clubs have a bit more privacy than others in the form of very dark rooms or some have maybe one room with a door with a lock .
You will often find couples come to these clubs because the husband cannnot satisfy his horny wifes needs and here she can get all she wants and more .
Also I have often found single women who go there just to get their brains F*cked out at these clubs.
Mind you the looks in these clubs varies from 2-10 and age 18-70+ and you will have to use your charm to make your self popular with the ladies.
The best stratergy is to make freinds and chat up the hubby of any woman who steals your fancy and if you hit it off you will eventually asked 'Do you want to F*ck my wife"? and the rest is up to you .

[Kaleu]

Originally posted by WindStar
Part of the reason I am asking is that I have experienced similar arrangements in New York, Florida and Rio, excepting that in those locations there is no "per girl" price. You simply pay the entrance fee and have all the sex you want (or can stand, as the case may be).

brighter Europe in Germany. Have you found that they have become dishearteningly cynical? Is that the kind of sex one is to expect? Or is it that the "unhurried" environment make you feel that can have more?

The FKKs in Germany can be compared with the "Thermas" in Rio, which have more or less the same concept. You pay per girl, you go to a room with the girl, you walk around with a towel around your hipps or wearing a bath-robe.

What you mention can be compared with the German Partytreffs. You pay once and eat it all BUT the difference is, that this is more the group sex stuff, you'll most likely have no privacy, there are always other couples around you, but that's the area, where Wiz has more expertise.

Regarding the girls: I found over the past 5 or 6 years spending in FKKs, that there is a wide variety of girls around in these clubs. You'll have always to take into account, that these girls work there to earn money and you are only buying an illusion.

Bad illusion:
You'll find girls who just work there and do their job, not more, not less.
You'll find the ripp-off girls, which try to overcharge you, ask for champagne...
-> disappointed customer

Good illusion
You'll find the sweet, little girl-friend-sex type of women
You'll find the wild banshee type of girls
You'll also sometimes find a girl which seems to enjoy beeing together with you (at least she gives you the illusion )
-> Happy customers who will return

When I look at the good FKKs, most of the time you'll find the "Good Illusion" girls (don't forget the chemistry between the girl and you, that's a very important factor) and most of the time the prices in these clubs are slightly higher. Especially in the low price clubs with prices around 35 or 40 € per 20 minutes session, it should be obvious, that you cannot expect all bells and whistles when you are in the room with the girl. But, also in these clubs, I found sometimes very good girls and had a great time with them, but I think that'll only work for regulars.

In general you can say, paying a little more if you where satisfied with the girl or tell her that you have time and want to do more than the cheap standard session with her, you are on the winner side most of the time and get much better service. Some girls will start asking for other extras, that's the point you'll know, that you ran into a sales pitch

Some thoughts regarding the "I have plenty of money, I can pay everything" attitude of some Americans spending their time in German FKKs. If you are satisfied with a girl, give a little extra (a little extra does not mean double the price of the session). You'll ruin the prices. If you take a look at Rio, Thailand, Philipines, Jamaica, that has already happened in some places (not only because of Americans of course )

That's it for today!

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kaleu

[Kaleu]

BBBJ = Bare Back Blow Job = BJ without condom

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kaleu

[WindStar]

Jackson,

Thanks for you excellent explanation of FKKs. I would be very interested in knowing a bit more of the history of these establishments. Part of the reason I am asking is that I have experienced similar arrangements in New York, Florida and Rio, excepting that in those locations there is no "per girl" price. You simply pay the entrance fee and have all the sex you want (or can stand, as the case may be).

I am also interested in knowing a bit more about the "typical" girl at an FKK. In Rio and in New York they were, bluntly stated, "working girls." In Florida, however, they were big time nymphomaniacs -- "ordinary" women with EXCEPTIONAL sex appetites -- which is to say, MY kinda of gal!

By the way, the club in Florida (Ft. Lauderdale to be precise) no longer exists. It closed years ago. But it was also advertised as a "nudist" camp. I happened upon it entirely by accident. Perhaps the Floridians got the idea from the FKKs (or vice versa).

In any event, the girls there were very real people. With REAL jobs -- and, naturally, some of the hang-ups that come with the stress of holding down a "real" job. But they were, as a rule, very congenial and often quite interesting. Few if any "10s" but their personalties were a welcome relief from the "I'm a lady, I don't that" attitude. They just liked sex. Lots of it. More than any reasonable man has the right to expect, to be honest.

My offhand impression is that most of the girls in an FKK are closer to the girls I met in Rio. I've never been to a German FKK, but I have this "vision" of them as a chock full of very desperate Eastern European (Poles, Slavs, Russian -- with a sprinkling of European African, Asian and Latin "desparadas") ... looking for some relief from nigh certain poverty at home and a promise of a brighter Europe in Germany. Have you found that they have become dishearteningly cynical? Is that the kind of sex one is to expect? Or is it that the "unhurried" environment make you feel that can have more?

I'm curious about that, and would appreciate your response. Thanks.

[ProteinShake]

I know what a BJ is but what is a BBBJ and a BJJJ or any of the other abbreviations I may not have seen yet?

[Kaleu]

Originally posted by Oskar
Kaleu thanks for the inf.
Where is Planet Happy Garden. I saw no posts in that area. Oedt it was written. Where is that. Close to what city? Are the rules the same thare as what I read about for Dolce Vita? Do you know if they are open on Sundays?

PHG is about 30 minutes from Düsseldorf by car. They are open on Sundays.

Find prices, adress, phone number and a link to a map here:
http://www.cfit.com/kaleu/english/de...e=happy-garden

Which rules you mean? You means regarding black girls from Africa? If so, yes, that's true for allmost all hookers from Africa in Germany. Aggressive and the service is sometimes rude and not a girlfriend experience at all (I know three exceptions: Angela from Senegal at Atlantis, Naomi at Blue Note and Joyce from Camerun? in Wildenrath).

PHG itself is one of the good clubs in this area. There are a few girls who will aproach you, forget them.

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kaleu

[Member #1465]

Kaleu thanks for the inf.
Where is Planet Happy Garden. I saw no posts in that area. Oedt it was written. Where is that. Close to what city? Are the rules the same thare as what I read about for Dolce Vita? Do you know if they are open on Sundays?

[Kaleu]

Originally posted by Oskar
Are there any clubs in the Dysseldorf or aachen area where there are black girls?

That's also always my problem. Until a few years ago, my impression is, that there where more black girls around in the FKK scene.

- There is one black, named Naomi, working at Blue Note in Düsseldorf.

- Dolce Vita in Düsseldorf has most of the time 1 or 2 black girls, I don't know any of them

- Planet Happy Garden also has a few black girls Cathrine (Kenia), Daniela (Brazil, top act in my opinion), Mary, Quisha, Sharon (Ghana)

The problem for you, at least if you're not living in Germany, is as follows: The girls in clubs change often, that means, what I write here, can be wrong tomorrow. Nevertheless the chance to run into a black girl is highest in Planet Happy Garden, but most girls there are working only a couple of days per week and not every day.

Happy Hunting

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kaleu

[Member #1465]

Are there any clubs in the Dysseldorf or aachen area where there are black girls?

[Kaleu]

here is another faq from my site (www.cfit.com/fkk.htm) which may become usefull from time to time ;-))

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q: how does it work in a fkk club in general?
a: you ring the bell at the gate and someone opens the door. you'll be asked if it is your first time at this club. if not, they'll explain the rules to you (prices, busines hours etc.). a girl will show you the locker room and after you andress (you'll walk aroand naked in the club or at most with a towel aroand your hips) and take a shower, often this girl will also show you aroand the club. then you'll sit in the club room (the room where all the girls are sitting). now it's your turn to make your choice and to go over to the girl you fancy or call or wave her over. now you'll have a more or less intense foreplay on the sofa before you go to the room for the main event. after you're done you can take a shower and stay for another session or leave the club. usually you'll settle the bill when you leave the club.

q: in their advertisement the clubs often write for example 45/80/120. what does it mean?
a: it's a special deal. for one session in the example you'll have to pay 45 €, for two sessions 80 € and 120 € for three sessions. be aware that most clubs want you do decide before you party which plan you want and at that point you haven't seen any girl except maybe the one who opened the door.

q: some clubs write 'kein eintritt' (no entrance fee). is there a trick?
a: sometimes yes. in some places they'll charge you about 25 € if you leave the place without having a session with a girl. it's a good idea to ask beforehand.

q: can i have some smalltalk with the girls without getting stuck?
a: sure you can, as long as you don't sit right on her lap. seriously, if you sit next to a girl and try to do some conversation, it's fine. as soon as the girl starts touching you or vice versa, you signed the contract. if you don't want to go to the room with the girl don't touch her, point out that you just wanted to be nice and have a conversation when she starts touching you. sun leave a little distance between the girl and you and don't overdo it regarding time for smalltalk.

q: is it possible that a girl refuses a guest, if they don't like their nose?
a: on principle, yes, but none of the girls usually would do it without a good reason (e.g. body odour, alcohol). because of his paunch or because of his bow legs nobody has been refused so far.

q: i am overweight and don't feel comfortable walking around naked in a fkk club.
a: don't panic, you are not alone with this problem and i think the girls like a nice big guy better than a slim stupid bastard.

q: what about anonymity?
a: as opposed to the girls in apartments, you'll have no chance to avoid other guests. everybody can see who's comming in, leaving and hanging around in the club room. but noone cares who you are.

q: should i tell her that i'm a first timer or shouldn't i, if a girl asks?
a: be honest and tell her the truth. because of the transparency of prices and service it is very unlikely that a girl tries to rip you off, somone would notice it. besides the girl can adapt to the special situation.

q: in principle i finish very quick the first time. what can i do?
a: like always, talk to the girl, tell her that she should take it slow. if she doesn't know, she can not act accordingly. if she responds to your wish, you also know that you made the right choice ;-)

q: what can i do if i'm not satisfied with the girl?
a: if the service promised (by advertising or by the girl)was not offered, the management of the club usually is happy, when you inform the bartender. you should be carefull with your decision whether you should or you shouldn't complain. i only do it in very obvious cases, otherwise i don't visit the girl again and write a report on the messageboards.

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some special hints resulting from what i learned over the past years:

ask how many girls are in before you enter the club or give them a phone call before you drive there (mostly it's very unlikely that they'll cheat you).

take your time and spend at least one hour in the club room. calculate how many girls must be in the room or somewhere else and wait for them. remember, the most attractive or skilled girls are usually the bussiest ones and spend a lot of time in the room.

observe what the girls are doing with their guests right here on the sofa. do they hurry, do they kiss, do they try to conduct a conversation and so on.

when you've put an eye on a girl and she's just going to the room with another guest: have a look at your wristwatch and check how long she was to the room with the guest. it's no guarantee, because maybe the guest finished very fast (nevertheless the good girls will spend the full time in the room). maybe check the expression on customers face fierce or smile?

most of the good clubs don't allow the girls to approach you by themselves. if a girl does this in an agressive manner, don't go to the room with her. tell her with a smile that you don't want to join her at the moment and that you still need some time. there is always an exception to a rule: if you have the impression that all girls have this sales pitch. stick with the one who was the most charming one and is still friendly to you after you send her away and maybe still smiling when she is passing by.

if a girl doesn't offer a service in the clubroom e.g. kisses, it is very unlikely that she'll do it in the room. in case of doubt ask in time.

if you are not sure for example which service is included in the price and what is an extra, ask the bartender or the girl. that helps avoiding unnecessary discussions (usually it's of no use anyways), when something goes wrong in the room or you didn't get what you wanted or if they bill you more money for the time you spend with the girl than you calculated.

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some do/don't do hints:

take shower when you arrive in the club and after a session with a girl (what you expect the girls to do, they should expect from you)

keep your fingernails short,clean and nicely done, at least if you like fingering the girls

have a good shave before you go to the club

brush your teeth and use a mint before you go over to the girl, especially if you are a smoker

don't ask the girl: where she lives, if she has a boyfriend, why she is working there and other questions regarding her privacy (if she starts talking about that by herself, then it's fine)

if you realize that the girl doesn't like what you are doing, stop doing it. if you continue, you'll only ruin the situation

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glossary:
some explanations regarding expressions often used in the advertisement of clubs and girls in german magazines and newspapers.
zungenküsse - french kissing
französisch total* - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth
französisch mit aufnahme - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth she won't swallow
französisch mit schlucken - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth she will swallow
französisch beiderseits - the sixtynine position
französisch pur - blow job without condom
verkehr - intercourse
gesichtsbesamung - cumshot in the girls face
körperbesamung - cumshot on the girls body
natursekt (short ns) - [CodeWord117]

* often this is subject to discussion. there are also other expressions like 'französisch perfekt' and
'französisch optimal'. it is a good idea to ask in advance and explicitly ask the girl if you can come in her mouth. some have a different interpretation of this service, depending on how they name it.

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that's all folks!!!

cu
kaleu

[Wizard]

I have now moved this post from the Germany General Info to this new topic section

I want to take this opportunity to open this new version of the forum with some of the common questions that keep on being ask by new members a sort of FAQ.

Q What is FKK
A : The initials stand for Frie Korpur Kultur, which really means nudist or naturalist, but for readers of this site it all refers to some very popular clubs mostly in the Rhine Rhur region of Germany There are presently about 50 - 70 or more of these clubs some are better than others The general setup is you enter and are asked to pay a cover charge and can stay as long as you want (some clubs don’t charge entrance) you will be handed a locker key and will head for the shower\ changing room here you will undress and wrap a towel around your waist and if its your first time at the club the girl who met you at the door will show you around the club.

You will find the girls sitting on sofas in the club room usually in the better clubs completely naked with only high heels on .The men sit on the other side bidding their time and watching how the scene unfolds before deciding on ones choice.

You will see guys go over to the girls sit down beside her start chatting and before long you will see the girl reach under his towel and start to play with his thing and this often develops into a public BJ then usually they will leave to find a vacant room to continue the action.

Some of these clubs have some extremely attractive girls (even some 9 and 10) some who are very talented in sex this is usually limited to a half hour session which will include Fucking in multi poses BJ and BJJJ French Kissing and what ever (some allow anal for extra payment some require extra for BJJJ)

Once this is over you are expected to go and shower off before getting back to the main lounge area to continue all over again.
You are under no pressure to choose any girl and they are not pushy and you are the one to make the first move.

It’s all very safe and there is no Rip off in this place they want you to come back for more.

Q : I don’t speak German
A: That is no problem some of the girls speak a little English some more but it’s very easy to make oneself understood.

Q: I am of Asian \ Colored descent etc will I be allowed in these clubs
A: Yes as long as you look decently dressed are polite and not drunk you will be allowed entrance (its your money they want after all not you) some of these clubs don’t allow Turkish guys entrance as they have been known to be a bit rowdy and have caused trouble there are a lot of Turkish immigrants in Germany at present.

Q: What type of guys will you meet at these clubs?
A: Mostly middle and upper class guys business men you will see plenty of Mercs BMW and Porsches parked outside in Germany this scene is very popular and everyone is very friendly inside the club. But anonymity is the name of the game here.

Q : Where are these clubs located?
A: Mostly in industrial areas usually outside of the small towns in the Rhine \Rhur region

Q: How do I get to these clubs is there public transport
A: The best means is by Rental car but you will need a good map It is possible to visit some of these clubs on public transport but it will limit your time at the club as they close late and the transport stops early and you will waste a lot of time waiting for schedules.

Q: What are the opening hours
A: Varies from club to club but opening around Noon till midnight is norm a most are open six days a week some are open on Sunday.

Q: How much does it cost?
A: In the best clubs you will now pay about 50-75 Eu per session plus 50EU entrance but this also varies.

Q: Where can I find a list of these FKK clubs?
A: On this site under the now old archived section by just browsing the old posts. Or but logging on to one of these to great dedicated FKK sites
Kalues FKK guide in English
http://www.cfit.com/fkk.htm
Or Faxxaff German FKK Club list
http://travelsexguide.tv/germansexguide/fkk.htm

This is just a general view of the fantastic FKK scene and you will find that there are exceptions to these general rules.

This FKK scene is much better than the RLD in both Germany and Holland and much better value for money.

Have fun enjoy yourselves

Wizard

Ps The top two best FKK clubs are Atlantis and Oase both outside Frankfurt (about 40 KM )

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