FKK Babylon (Koeln)

[Peter]

I swung by Babylon again last night. I used to like this club years and years ago, and I still rop by once a year to see whether there are any hidden treasures.

I have to say I was at Schieferhof and Traumparadies on the same day, where my results were very mixed.

So I get to Elsdorf, an once again they had changed the pricing scheme.

It is 35€ entrance fee

The first half hour is an additional 75€ and each half hour after that is 55€. They keep the prize for the club with the stupidest and most confusing pricing system.

They also have a list up for all the extras, with CIM at 25€, CIM with swallowing at 50€, Anal at 50€ and some other things. I have it on very good authority that posting such a list puts the club management in a dangerous legal situation, but that isn't my problem.

The girls keep 40€ for each half hour, and the club gets the rest, the girl also keeps all of her extras money.

So I go there, and there are about 4 girls there. 3 were nothing to write home about, and then there was Isabella.

She is about 5'3" and slim with smallish perky breasts and a nice sporty butt. She has dark blonde long hair and in every way looks "natural". She is 21 and Polish, no tattoos, no long fingernails - just a very natural good looking girl.

Her german is decent, she also speaks a bit of english.

So we talked for a while, and she was a smart and nice girl...so I decided to take it to the room.

There we talked some more, and she kissed me in a way that I could really call a GFE. The girl doesn't smoke, so her tongue and breath are really nice and fresh. I rarely use the term GFE, but tis kissing was really really a lot like when you were 19 and some girl was really into you. It was something I haven't really seen in a working girl for quite a while.

I then went down on her, which she enjoyed, then she went down on me, wich again was a whole new world for working girls, and even included a bit of rimming.....it is no surprise she says that she has quite a few repeat customers who ask for her or make appointments.

the actual sex was out of this world again. She really really got into it, wrapping her legs around me, going along with my rhythm, fluidly changing positions.

The girl has CIM in her program, and Anal, and I decided I wanted to try anal again. She was amazing.

I haven't been this impressed with a working girl in years, she is definitely in my all time top 3, and that after only one encounter.

Bablon all in all has not improved, but this girl is worth heading to a club just for a chance with her.

I spent an hour with her with anal, which was 180€, and I swear I still consider it a bargain.

Call ahead to see if she is there, because she is a reason to visit the club....if she isn't there don't even bother.

http://babylon-privatclub.info/cms/f...ang=1&client=1

[gitan]

They will hold their annual "Carnaval" party on January 31st. On the same day, there will be a meeting for the members of the forum Youppie.

Normally between 20 and 25 girls will be present, they will also offer a nice buffet for this party.

[Jackyo]

This invitation is extended to anglophones also.

"Party" de Noel le 07.12.07 au Babylon

Chers amis du Babylon,

Le 07 décembre a lieu au Babylon notre annuel "Party" de Noel.
Nos filles porteront un outfit de Noel très sexy.

Il y a boissons et buffet.

Début 12.00 heures
A partir de 20.00 heures: live-music par un groupe folklorique bien connu du Carneval de Cologne.

Notez s'il-vous-plaît que depuis le début novembre dernier le Babylon est de nouveau comme dans le passé un Club FKK pur (toutes les filles sont entièrement nues).

Soyez les bien-venus.

FKK-Privat-Club Babylon
www.privatclub-babylon.de

Fazit: They are having their Christmas party on the 7th of December. The women will be dressed appropriately in Christmas outfits and they will have food and drink. Everything starts at 12:00 and at 20:00 they will have live music played by a folk music group which is well known at the Karneval in Koeln. They also announce that since the beginning of November, they are an entirely nude club now (Yes! They acted on my suggestion the last time. How cool is that?).

This club is accessible via a combination of train/bus/taxi as follows:

Je te joins pour amis belges, luxembourgeois et autres, qui veulent venir en train, un petit guide pour arriver au club sans problèmes:
Si tu viens de Belgique, le plus facile est de prendre le train vers Cologne. Avant Cologne descendre à la station de HORREM.
Là bas appeler Taxi Janitz Tel. 02274/1717 ou bien 02271/64555.
En donnant le mot de passe "FKK-Club-Babylon" le trajet de 10 à 15 minutes au Club est pour 17 Euros (pix convenu avec le patron).
Si tu viens de Cologne, train direction Aachen, descendre à la station de Horrem ... et même procédure. Tu peux venir aussi avec la Strassenbahn vers Köln-Weiden, en face du Rheincenter prendre le Bus 961 vers Bergheim, ici aussi prendre un taxi Tel.02271/64555.
Nous sommes en train de négocier des prix d'hôtel à proximité du club.

Fazit: If you are coming from Belgium, take the train in the direction of Koeln, get off at Horrem. Call Taxi Janitz (phone numbers above), give them the password "FKK Club Babylon" and within 10 to 15 minute you will be there for about 17 Euros. If you come from Koeln, take the train to Aachen, get off at Horrem and do the same thing. You can also take the streetcar in the direction of Koeln-Weiden and in front of the Rheincenter, take Bus 961 to Bergheim and then call a cab when you get there. They are in the process of negotiating with a hotel in the area so one can stay nearby.

I have also taken the train from Koeln Hbf to Bergheim Centreville.. sorry - Stadtmitte, and gotten off there.

[Jackyo]

I know that for my 50 euro's I get decent food and all the beer I can handle (within reason) at GT and im going to assume the same for PHG and Vertigo (once it opens). Will my 35 entrance fee give me free beer?

No, there is no free beer.

They do have alcoholic beverages but you need to pay for them separately.

Their strategy is to offer an edited selection of women and guarantee total satisfaction from the services offered.

When this club was good, it was as good if not better than Bernds service-wise.

[Breadman]

But times have changed. Whereas back then probably only PHG was direct competition in this neck of the woods, there are now GT, Wildenrath, Residenz and Villa Vertigo to reckon with. Mal sehen was passieren wird.

For one thing, they do have premium pricing. Its 35 Euros to get in, 75 Euros for the first session, 60 Euros for the second session.

If you consider say typical pricing of 50 Euros to get in, 50 Euros for the first session, you are at 110 Euros at Babylon where you would be at 100 Euros elsewhere.

By the time you did your second session you'd be 170 Euros at Babylon and at 150 Euros anywhere else. There was food but it wasn't anything to write home about.

I know that for my 50 euro's I get decent food and all the beer I can handle (within reason) at GT and im going to assume the same for PHG and Vertigo (once it opens). Will my 35 entrance fee give me free beer?

[Jackyo]

After not having been back since 2005, decided it was time to drop in on this club, my favorite club of all time until things started falling apart.

Its under new management and now is totally separate from Wiago, which has been renamed Extasia or something like that.

One of the owners, Eddy, is a former customer of this club and knows it well from its glory days.

But times have changed. Whereas back then probably only PHG was direct competition in this neck of the woods, there are now GT, Wildenrath, Residenz and Villa Vertigo to reckon with. Mal sehen was passieren wird.

He (Eddy) is ready to invest money in the club though and that means revising the shower fixtures upstairs, for one.

The set up is quite the same as before. Lighting is different and the Kunstleder couches are now in black (or was it deep blue?).

In front of the bar they have a pole and a stage for pole dancing. The women were complaining that the pole was of the wrong diameter though and it wasn't easy to turn on it.

They have plans of taking out the bar and doing something with it.

The former Umkleideraum is now a bedroom. I had instinctively headed for it with my towel and key but the lockers are now under the stairs (where I remember very clearly making out with this Polish blonde, Ramona).

Ah.. Every nook and cranny of this club holds memories for me. At this section of the couch, I admired Michelle's tight bod. At that other section, I had my first public BJ. It all came back to me in a rush of memories.

They have some photos of the former Besatzung hanging on the walls. Yvette, Pia, Suzi, Shirina, Nina, Chanel.. those names just roll right off my tongue.

Oh yes, where was I?

There weren't many customers when we got there and only five girls in total. All well selected and edited for one's viewing and sensual pleasures. Jessy was a darkhaired Russian or Polish chick. She had a friend who was equally darkhaired and equally Russian or Polish. There was one Turkish woman too with a nice figure.

For one, the legendary big-titted Liliane was very much present. One knows one is in the presence of greatness when one is within an arm's length of her. Her bikini top could barely contain her nipples.

Yes, they now wear bikinis there.

We stayed up until the wee hours of the morning talking about how great the club used to be and that if they were to get it back on track to greatness, the all nude rule had to be reintroduced.

Also, I made it a point to insist that the post-coital session afterwards had to be reinstituted as well (as some of you know, the PC session is long gone and it isn't offered anywhere these days).

Then there was Nadine who is a legend in her own right, the so-called independent Nadine from Bergheim. She greeted us at the door wearing nothing but thigh high boots, blonde, blue-eyed, totally shaved and I eventually found myself drawn to her side.

I did have the pleasure and was extremely pleased to make her acquaintance.

Will this club suceed in turning things around? I don't know.

For one thing, they do have premium pricing. Its 35 Euros to get in, 75 Euros for the first session, 55 Euros for the second session.

If you consider say typical pricing of 50 Euros to get in, 50 Euros for the first session, you are at 105 Euros at Babylon where you would be at 100 Euros elsewhere.

By the time you did your second session you'd be 165 Euros at Babylon and at 150 Euros anywhere else.

They had better be offering really, really good services at Babylon to make this up and with the additional competition, things are going to be tough.

One should note that this pricing scheme compares favorably with Bernds though when you consider that Bernds asks for 70 Euros to enter the front door.

If I were in the owners shoes, Bernds would be the club I'd most want to be like rather than the local competition. PHG and GT have huge selections of women, some of whom are outstanding, some of which are average and some of whom are unf'able.

Babylon being a small club would have to compete in terms of offering a small, edited selection where one can throw a dart to pick one's session partner and be guaranteed a good experience. The larger clubs are too much of a crap shoot from my experience.

Oh, yes. There was food but it wasn't anything to write home about.

Their Thekenstaff was great though. Claudia (or Claudine) is funny, easy to talk to and friendly. At the end of the evening, she and I were holding hands like we were old friends (this is a long story).

I wish this club well for nostalgic purposes but it will a lot of work to turn it around.

Of the women on the website who now work there, I only recognize two: Laura and Verona. Both are still there but not present when I visited. I also think I recognize Melanie who used to be Wiago.

Want to experience a Babylon girl without actually going to Babylon? Monika at Bernds used to work at both Wiago and Babylon. This goes back several years now (I'll have to read my notes to get the exact year). She may, in fact, be the oldest Babylon girl I have ever met who is still actively in the profession. The others have moved on (if anyone knows what Suzie is doing currently, I'd be interested in finding out, by the way).

[Jackyo]

Since the German's put prostitution on the level a couple of years ago (about) clubs have had to change their pricing structure to stay within the law. This was the case with Bernd's which if you noticed when it charged 80 euros kept 30euros for itself, handed the girl 50euros and made her sign for it. The law says you can't do that any longer as the girl is self-employed so taking a cut of her wages is tantamount to being an employer. No club can afford the costs of German employee laws! And no girl wants it anyway. Recently the govt started a withholding tax of I think around 25euros a day (but don't quote me on that) which each girl has to pay. The idea being to encourage girls to declare their earnings for tax in the proper manner. Raids are regularly carried out to check if the girls are registered for tax. FKK and sauna clubs seem by and large to stay within the law - the girl pays her daily 'rent' and her tax and the rest she keeps. In other 'establishments' I'm not sure how it works, only that I know the old system of keeping half the earnings remains in use. The owners of these houses argue that the 50% take is justified by the unreliability of the girls themselves. They say they'll stay for three months or more, but can disappear overnight, leaving the owner out of pocket for providing the rooms, laundry etc etc. Whereas FKK and sauna clubs charge the girls a flat rate rent, these other 'puffs' don't. So a girl in a 'puff' who has say a really good day with six clients at an hour each (really good!) earns 900euros of which she keeps half. To earn 450euros in a FKK club a girl must have nine clients and from that deduct her outgoings (rent and tax).
There you have, not that it matters a toss to us!

This would explain why they made these changes to pricing then.

[Marlow]

Since the German's put prostitution on the level a couple of years ago (about) clubs have had to change their pricing structure to stay within the law. This was the case with Bernd's which if you noticed when it charged 80 euros kept 30euros for itself, handed the girl 50euros and made her sign for it. The law says you can't do that any longer as the girl is self-employed so taking a cut of her wages is tantamount to being an employer. No club can afford the costs of German employee laws! And no girl wants it anyway. Recently the govt started a withholding tax of I think around 25euros a day (but don't quote me on that) which each girl has to pay. The idea being to encourage girls to declare their earnings for tax in the proper manner. Raids are regularly carried out to check if the girls are registered for tax. FKK and sauna clubs seem by and large to stay within the law - the girl pays her daily 'rent' and her tax and the rest she keeps. In other 'establishments' I'm not sure how it works, only that I know the old system of keeping half the earnings remains in use. The owners of these houses argue that the 50% take is justified by the unreliability of the girls themselves. They say they'll stay for three months or more, but can disappear overnight, leaving the owner out of pocket for providing the rooms, laundry etc etc. Whereas FKK and sauna clubs charge the girls a flat rate rent, these other 'puffs' don't. So a girl in a 'puff' who has say a really good day with six clients at an hour each (really good!) earns 900euros of which she keeps half. To earn 450euros in a FKK club a girl must have nine clients and from that deduct her outgoings (rent and tax).
There you have, not that it matters a toss to us!

[Jackyo]

I know that Fkk Zeus takes a cut from the girls to offset the low entry fee...wonder if Babylon does the same? You'd think new management would try to price themselves with their competition if they wanted to draw customers back to their club.

When this club was good, it was very good. It never wavered in its pricing philosophy and has always been premium priced. It justified this pricing based on high service standards and lots of exhibitionistic nudism.

There was a time when Bernds per session pricing was high too (I can't recall exactly but it was something like 80 Euros per session) but its entrance fee was low (wasn't it something like 30 Euros?).

Then they raised the entrance fee to the current rate of 75 Euros (I can't recall exactly) and at the same time dropped the per session charge to 50 Euros.

[Breadman]

Also entry at 35euro and first bang at 75euro

I know that Fkk Zeus takes a cut from the girls to offset the low entry fee...wonder if Babylon does the same? You'd think new management would try to price themselves with their competition if they wanted to draw customers back to their club.

[Jackyo]

The club has had recently some poor revues on the German boards. Stuck between PHG and Samya to name but two Babylon has some serious competition in the neighbourhood. Also entry at 35euro and first bang at 75euro, the price comes out 10euro more than Samya. German board commentators are pissed (to put it politely) that the advertised times of the girls do not correspond to reality - the girl(s) ain't there. Babylon's response was that it had no control over the girls, and if they cried off on the day there was not a lot they could do about it. Consequently the webpage no longer says who's in. So it is a long trip for perhaps not very much.
Samya has been quick to capitalise on this by posting real-time updates of which girls are in the club, making it very tough for Babylon to attract customers into the wilds of the flat lands west of Cologne.

.. has, indeed, been an issue. It has always been a premium pricing club (at least since they went from the DMark to the Euro).

And yes, Samya has, indeed, set the pace as far as real-time data on who is present and working.

I've always kept an eye on this club because it is a sentimental favorite but it needs to make some real changes and I need to read more positive reviews before I return to check it out.

[Marlow]

The club has had recently some poor revues on the German boards. Stuck between PHG and Samya to name but two Babylon has some serious competition in the neighbourhood. Also entry at 35euro and first bang at 75euro, the price comes out 10euro more than Samya. German board commentators are pissed (to put it politely) that the advertised times of the girls do not correspond to reality - the girl(s) ain't there. Babylon's response was that it had no control over the girls, and if they cried off on the day there was not a lot they could do about it. Consequently the webpage no longer says who's in. So it is a long trip for perhaps not very much.
Samya has been quick to capitalise on this by posting real-time updates of which girls are in the club, making it very tough for Babylon to attract customers into the wilds of the flat lands west of Cologne.

[Jackyo]

Can anyone point out how if i catch a taxi how much roughly should it cost to get there?

... and I've not come to a clear answer on how much a cab would cost (at least from Koeln).

I know that there are trains to Bergheim (on the Erft) as I have taken trains to and from Koeln.

Elsdorf is one town over and so I suppose the cab ride would be cheapest this way.

I do believe there is a bus from the Bergheim station but I've not figured out which stop in Elsdorf is the closest to it.

I even went on a drive once in the town to try and figure out where things were. Its been a while since I've been back though.

[Travelforfun]

Can anyone point out how if i catch a taxi how much roughly should it cost to get there?

[Jackyo]

I have a thing for this club based on good experiences I've had there. Unfortunately, over the past couple of years its been nothing like it used to be.

In fact, a bad experience I had with a chick here two years ago has kept me away.

They post on Youppie and according to them the ownership situation has changed and they, as well, have no more connection to Wiago.

Here is what they wrote (in French) announcing a party on the 12th of October (Schade but I won't be able to make it to this!).

Note the new website address. Note also the large-titted Liliane is also named below (some of you out there follow her migrations).

10 ans Babylon à Elsdorf "Party" le 12.10

Chers amis du Babylon et amis à venir,

depuis le 8 janvier 2007 le Babylon a été repris par de nouveaux propriétaires.

Jusqu'il y a 5 à 6 années ce club était, et beaucoup vont s'en souvenir, l'un des meilleurs si pas LE meilleur des FKK-Clubs de tout le "Grossraum Köln".

Hélas à l'époque, par un changement de proprios et par une mauvaise gérance le Club a périclité...

Nous, nouveaux propriétaires, avons la prétention de reconduire ce Club à moyenne échéance dans le rang des meilleurs FKK-Clubs de Rhénanie-Westphalie.

Ainsi nous avons pu reconstruire une équipe de dames que beaucup ont déjà eu l'occasion de contempler sur le nouveau website

www.privatclub-babylon.de

créé en mars 07.

A côté de l'équipe souche avec Laura, Leyla, Verona, Melanie, Sabrina, Nora, et d'autres, nous réussissons aussi à vous présenter des femmes exceptionnelles telles Liliane, Domenica, Arrancciatta, Kamila, ... Liliane sera d'ailleurs présente à partir du 10. octobre.

Et nous allons persévérer.

Dans peu de temps nous allons rénover tout le bâtiment.

Pour fê*** tout celà nous vous invitons nombreux à notre "Oktoberfest-Party" le 12 octobre à Elsdorf.

Nos filles vous recoivent (pas de cédille sur mon clavier allemand) dans un "Oktoberfest-Outfit" sexy.

Nous fêtons avec:

Freibier (bière à volonté)
Buffet spécial
Danses
Musique du DJ

Début 12.00 heures, open end

Soyez nombreux et les bienvenus!

Fazit: They are celebrating their tenth anniversary on the 12th of October with an Oktoberfest party. Party starts at 12:00 and is open ended.The women will be wearing Oktoberfest-wear (whatever that is). The ownership situation changed in January of this year (in another post on the Youppie thread they say the current ownership has nothing to do with Milieu) and they hope to bring the club back to what it used to be; the top club in this part of the country (which is was at one point in time). It then lists the women who are there and says specifically that Liliane will be there after the 10th of October. They have plans to renovate the building.

As to what is going on currently at Wiago, ca, je n'en sais rien.

Whoever is running this club now actually has someone on board who is a Francophone, apparently.