FKK Babylon (Koeln)

[Sirioja]

Samya is dead BEFORE 20:00 and Babylon is dead AFTER 20:00, so best is to combine the both on 1 day. And have good sex in Babylon (in Samya that might be a challenge, many non performers there!) and after that relax in Samya 😉.

BTW, here you can see that the area of Babylon will go to level 2 incident rate as of tomorrow (August 10th): https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/f...806_matrix.pdf.

So beware it can be closed (like the clubs in Dusseldorf had to close). But nobody really knows.

I agree for Bab for the afternoon, but not dead at 8 pm. Nevertheless, I prefer Samya with more beauties if You like Romanians. Best days being from Thursday to Saturday, and sometimes Sunday at Samya.

[Maxime]

Samya is dead BEFORE 20:00 and Babylon is dead AFTER 20:00, so best is to combine the both on 1 day. And have good sex in Babylon (in Samya that might be a challenge, many non performers there!) and after that relax in Samya 😉.

BTW, here you can see that the area of Babylon will go to level 2 incident rate as of tomorrow (August 10th): https://www.mags.nrw/sites/default/f...806_matrix.pdf.

So beware it can be closed (like the clubs in Dusseldorf had to close). But nobody really knows.

[LionMan966]

I recommend Samya, but yet to return since Covid. I read here that there's no party there because of restrictions but many girls have returned. I've never been to Babylon. Be careful tho, clubs might be closing soon because of rising cases.

I intend to be in the Cologne area on Aug 14th. Debating between Samya vs. Babylon? Or Both?

I like to hang around, get some beer, being able to fuck in the outdoor will be a plus. Oh, yeah. Swimming pool (heated?) will be great.

BTW, any recommendations to stay nearby for the night?

[Sirioja]

I intend to be in the Cologne area on Aug 14th. Debating between Samya vs. Babylon? Or Both?

I like to hang around, get some beer, being able to fuck in the outdoor will be a plus. Oh, yeah. Swimming pool (heated?) will be great.

BTW, any recommendations to stay nearby for the night?

Go to Bab early, enjoy swimming pool in garden, some girls can go with You, or inside jacuzzi and free beer on bar. If not good day, then move to Samya which is not far and wake up on evening. Enjoy as long open. Alexa. Ro at Bab is queen for sweet BBBJ, just delightful.

[Gfefan]

I intend to be in the Cologne area on Aug 14th. Debating between Samya vs. Babylon? Or Both?

I like to hang around, get some beer, being able to fuck in the outdoor will be a plus. Oh, yeah. Swimming pool (heated?) will be great.

BTW, any recommendations to stay nearby for the night?

[Sirioja]

New, blond german girl there is Annabelle. Nice face, but look at the pics on website for more............... And don't expect many romance and intimacy as you had before from Romanian princesses

Body is not wow? Yesterday at Cleo. Ch, met exotic Kurd Syrian / German Sara with pretty face and slim, but too prostitute for me, when I still wish to find a Romanian elegant princess. I don t change my way.

[McAdonis]

Anyway, my point is I do think that we will see pricing gouging from Hessen girls in the near future. Whether that is permanent will depend on how much local business versus international business supports the clubs (and girls).

In Velbert, when the WGs tried to introduce a price increase, the mongers voted with their wallets. And it took 90-120 days for the WGs to return to market reality. That scenario is more likely in secluded Babylon than it is in Sharks. If Sharks WGs raised prices, I could see locals boycotting (after the initial euphoria). But the decreased attendance and patronage may prove fruitless, because the international mongers will rush in. Thus, that 90 consecutive days of decreased attendance and economic starvation that happened in ACA might never occur in Sharks. The fly-in, international monger demand is a little harder to forecast. I could be too easily influenced by what I read on ISG. Based on what I read here, the vast majority of ISGers are anxious and will return ASAP (or have booked their trip already). Is that reflective of the wider international monger market? Until tourism and business travel rebound, many non-hardcore mongers will not have an "excuse" to return to FKK land.

[Maxime]

Yesterday lineup had about 25 girls. At any given time there were even less men. So the new pricing does its job: be.

Some "new" girls, that worked for ages in GT (Lulu, Andrea), and the rest of the LU also not very impressive. Happily some of the well-known gems where there, so had a good time, but not something you would return for every week. A la carte and BBQ where available, so food (and drinks) were fine.

Oops, sorry for the confusion, it is indeed +50 euro for every additional half hour! So in effect every session is +10 euro compared to before, which looks like the famous "+10 euro room charge" that was on the table a while ago......

And indeed, no expectations about lowering the entrance fee, and no reason better / more girls will come to Elsdorf because of the +10 euro (since the girls have to pay more also......). Already a fact is that much less men go there now because of the idiotic price increase in combination with the mediocre line up (other clubs that just re-opened are stacked with men, so see it s a premium to pay to have not so many other men around ).

Additional news is that price for extra's is back to "normal" now (+25 euro). So now only the entrance fee and first half hour rate are off-market.

[Maxime]

Didn't see Samya crowded on last Friday and even at night. Seem new attractive German at Bab, don't know for her look.

New, blond german girl there is Annabelle. Nice face, but look at the pics on website for more............... And don't expect many romance and intimacy as you had before from Romanian princesses

[Sirioja]

Oops, sorry for the confusion, it is indeed +50 euro for every additional half hour! So in effect every session is +10 euro compared to before, which looks like the famous "+10 euro room charge" that was on the table a while ago......

And indeed, no expectations about lowering the entrance fee, and no reason better / more girls will come to Elsdorf because of the +10 euro (since the girls have to pay more also......). Already a fact is that much less men go there now because of the idiotic price increase in combination with the mediocre line up (other clubs that just re-opened are stacked with men, so see it s a premium to pay to have not so many other men around .

Didn't see Samya crowded on last Friday and even at night. Seem new attractive German at Bab, don't know for her look.

[ExpatLover]

What happens in Sharks / Oase / Palace will give insight into how much these clubs actually rely on international mongers. I'm assuming that the wealth in the region is not perfectly correlated within the Swiss / German or Hessen / NRW wealth differences because the Hessen clubs specifically benefit from international mongers more so than locals (compared to NRW especially now that Dutch / Belgian attracting GT is gone).

If the Hessen WGs hike the prices, it would surely send Hessen clubs further into International mongers territory. I don't like that as I appreciate the local German's effect in keeping prices low and service levels high.

Anyway, my point is I do think that we will see pricing gouging from Hessen girls in the near future. Whether that is permanent will depend on how much local business versus international business supports the clubs (and girls).

Also, I made another post speculating how the Babylon entry hike may be used as a way to filter out specific clientele. I'm interested in seeing what will become of this especially since Babylon is the closest thing there is to former GT / LR environments and service levels.

In the recent years, less and less German senior mongers are visiting FKK, they are replaced by younger guys with migration background, mostly married and just able to spend 1 or 2 hours in the FKK. The girls are saying that this clients are far less demanding than the German one, no licking, no kissing may be sometimes CIM or anal that is all.

[ExpatLover]

Oops, sorry for the confusion, it is indeed +50 euro for every additional half hour! So in effect every session is +10 euro compared to before, which looks like the famous "+10 euro room charge" that was on the table a while ago......

And indeed, no expectations about lowering the entrance fee, and no reason better / more girls will come to Elsdorf because of the +10 euro (since the girls have to pay more also......). Already a fact is that much less men go there now because of the idiotic price increase in combination with the mediocre line up (other clubs that just re-opened are stacked with men, so see it s a premium to pay to have not so many other men around.

Summer was never the best time for LU, this year I think it will be worse. On top of that the Indian variant is around. I don t believe that the FKK experience can be the same than before therefor I am waiting at least 2022 to give another try.

[Maxime]

Just to clarify, guessing you mean +50 for every half hour after the first. If you mean 50/ HR after, then that would be surprisingly great news if true.

Oops, sorry for the confusion, it is indeed +50 euro for every additional half hour! So in effect every session is +10 euro compared to before, which looks like the famous "+10 euro room charge" that was on the table a while ago......

And indeed, no expectations about lowering the entrance fee, and no reason better / more girls will come to Elsdorf because of the +10 euro (since the girls have to pay more also......). Already a fact is that much less men go there now because of the idiotic price increase in combination with the mediocre line up (other clubs that just re-opened are stacked with men, so see it s a premium to pay to have not so many other men around ).

[Mursenary]

Fair point about wealth of the region affecting prices. But the difference between Switzerland and German salaries is substantial $6261 versus $2957 (after tax per month). Whereas Hesse and NRW salaries are roughly the same 23943 and 22294 (per year).

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...ngs?itemId=105

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income

I would liken it to the cost of alcohol. Overall consumption is probably roughly the same or slightly lower compared to twenty years ago, but my guess is a larger percentage of that consumption occurs inside homes. Mid-20's white collar professionals go out as frequently as their parents did back in the 1990's, but my guess is that they are buying 1-2 drinks per night out, rather than the 3-6 drinks that their parents bought.

If the WGs introduce price hikes, the hardcore mongers will still continue to session at the same rate, but the casual mongers will cut back. If that happens, it would be similar to what happens when alcohol taxes are increased. Compared to the general population, heavier drinkers are less price responsive.

What happens in Sharks / Oase / Palace will give insight into how much these clubs actually rely on international mongers. I'm assuming that the wealth in the region is not perfectly correlated within the Swiss / German or Hessen / NRW wealth differences because the Hessen clubs specifically benefit from international mongers more so than locals (compared to NRW especially now that Dutch / Belgian attracting GT is gone).

If the Hessen WGs hike the prices, it would surely send Hessen clubs further into International mongers territory. I don't like that as I appreciate the local German's effect in keeping prices low and service levels high.

Anyway, my point is I do think that we will see pricing gouging from Hessen girls in the near future. Whether that is permanent will depend on how much local business versus international business supports the clubs (and girls).

Also, I made another post speculating how the Babylon entry hike may be used as a way to filter out specific clientele. I'm interested in seeing what will become of this especially since Babylon is the closest thing there is to former GT / LR environments and service levels.

[McAdonis]

I think the point I'm making is that the Hessen clubs will have an elevated fair market value because fair market value is heavily influenced by the wealth of the region. With Hessen clubs being filled with more white collar international mongers who have largely acquired more wealth during the pandemic, the acceptable cost of Hessen mongering is in more danger of rising than NRW. Much like a Big Mac Meal in Zurich costing over 10 euro since that is the fair market value determined by the residence there, the price inflation in Hessen might dictate a higher fair market value due to the fatter wallets of the international mongers which may not be the case in NRW clubs often filled with local Blue collar and younger Turkish clientele.

Fair point about wealth of the region affecting prices. But the difference between Switzerland and German salaries is substantial $6261 versus $2957 (after tax per month). Whereas Hesse and NRW salaries are roughly the same €23943 and €22294 (per year).

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...ngs?itemId=105

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income

I would liken it to the cost of alcohol. Overall consumption is probably roughly the same or slightly lower compared to twenty years ago, but my guess is a larger percentage of that consumption occurs inside homes. Mid-20's white collar professionals go out as frequently as their parents did back in the 1990's, but my guess is that they are buying 1-2 drinks per night out, rather than the 3-6 drinks that their parents bought.

If the WGs introduce price hikes, the hardcore mongers will still continue to session at the same rate, but the casual mongers will cut back. If that happens, it would be similar to what happens when alcohol taxes are increased. Compared to the general population, heavier drinkers are less price responsive.

The empirical literature has consistently found that increasing the price of alcohol leads to a reduction in consumption. The magnitude of reduction is captured by price elasticity of demand: the change in consumption of alcohol as a result of a unit change in its price, keeping all other factors (e.g. income, prices of other products) constant. Accurate estimates of price elasticities represent a critical input for the design of alcohol taxation and pricing policies, because they indicate how much prices must increase in order to achieve the intended reduction in consumption.4Meta-analyses and reviews of estimates from a large body of international empirical research show that a one per cent increase in the price of alcohol will, on average, reduce demand for alcohol by around half of one per cent (see Table 1). The magnitude of elasticity differs for different population groups, but its sign is always negative. Meta-analyses show that price increases are slightly less effective at reducing drinking among young people compared with the general population, and male drinkers are slightly less responsive than female drinkers to price increases. Despite a perception that the heaviest drinkers may not be affected by tax and price increases, Wagenaar's meta analysis of estimates from 10 studies found that, overall, heavy drinkers are price responsive, albeit less than the general population, with a mean price elasticity of demand of −0.28.21 However, other reviews of research findings in this area obtain mixed results, with Nelson's recent review finding that only two of the 19 studies he includes show heavy-drinking adults to be significantly and substantially responsive to prices.

https://academic.oup.com/bmb/article/123/1/149/3958774..