FKK Bernd's - Schieferhof

[Gfe Finder]

I suppose this is a controversial thought, but I fundamentally believe that people are basically klan or tribal focused at a genealogical level, which is the root cause for much of the conflict that goes on in this world, e. G., Middle East conflict or fear of outsiders. I think this extends to fear of people different than us at a pretty basic level and it bleeds over into sexual attraction and what a particular person feels sexually excited about.

Recently I read an article that reported on a study about (of all things) the rendering of people in the new CGI driven films. They found that when they tried to achieve 98-99% realism, people watching the film became somewhat anxious because of that subtle 1-2% difference from an actual image of a person. I think this is a related phenomena to this subject at hand.

but I couldn't resist anyway. What you're talking about is Masahiro Mori's Uncanny Valley. The idea is that as something starts from scratch and takes on more and more "human" (i.e. like the viewer) characteristics, initially the viewer responds more favorably. However, at a certain point the viewer focuses more on the differences between him/her and the creation, and the likability plunges into an uncanny valley. The concept was originally applied to robotics.

Whether it applies to race I don't know. It could be an interesting area of study and an explanation for a lot of conflict in the world if true.

[Rob Raunch]

I am very sorry but I have to add my comments on this.

I am a regular at Bernds and my best friend for 22 years is BLACK!

I have been taking him to Bernds for the last 5 years now and they ALL love him, I mean when I go there alone the first thing that Girls ask is: Where is Tom? And AFTER that they say 'Hello' to me!

We have had such good times there that we celebrated HIS bachelors-evening at the CLUB where HE performed a striptease for the Girls (I organized a uniform for him. He did not know! Hahaha) Leoni did the womens part of the striptease as she was dressed like a Sexy-secretary (WOEHA! HOTTTTT)

Most of the women have been to the room with him. Also Magda!

(well he cannot take them all can he? Some of them are not his type.although VERY few!)

And they like him sooo much!

(don't tell this to anyone but Alina refers to him as 'HER Chocolate-man' as she licks her lips!)

What I am trying to ask/say is:

Are there REALLY black men on this forum which had negative experiences with the Schieferhofgirls (themselves!)?. Which could be caused by racism-

PLEASE speak up!

Because in my personal experience AND Toms personal experience there seems to be a BIG difference between theory AND reality!

Don't get me wrong:

I am not saying our monger-friend was lying!

I am just saying that the FACTS don't support the THEORY!

Maybe. A girl said something silly in the room (maybe she had something to drink? OR just to please a guest? Because she thought it was something he liked to hear?. They sometimes do that you know, 'Your my first orgasm today! ' 'no one makes me feel so good like YOU! ')

BUT to judge a Club on a silly line or to think this might be a policy at Bernds.

Is definitely false and 33 Bridges too far for me!

Have fun! (Tom 'the Chocolate-man' and I most definitely will!)

Robert

[Akibono]

This was my second visit to Bernds. I realize that the girls are not stunning and that the selling point for this establishment is service. I had an interesting time overall, you be the judge. First I did get a nice massage, costing 25E for 30 minutes. That was probably the best deal of the house and I would recommend the massage for anyone interested. It was performed upstairs on a massage table.

For sex, I was struggling to find some girls. Eventually I decided upon Tanja, a wide-eyed thirty year old dark-haired Russian, with whom I hooked up with in the basement. Nice body, cute face. Just like all the others before me, we started kissing a bit, then she began performing a BBBJ in the public area. I was trying to be sensual by touching her head and face, but she jerked in one direction, and I accidentally poked her in her right eye. Ouch! That took some of the fun out of things. She said she was all right, but hell, I just poked her in the eye. She still wanted to go to the room. I asked her if she had a friend, and she chose Katja, another Russian. Katja is older, probably 40-45, with nice big breasts. We three then went to a room, where I pulled out a toy I wanted to try: a small strap on dildo. Confusion ensues. Ultimately it is clear to all that I want one of the girls to wear the dildo and use it on me. Tanja takes the role and she actually does a pretty good job with it. Same time I am getting oral from Katja. We mix it up for a while. After 30 minutes we are done.

When it comes time to pay, Katja comes up to me and tells me I will owe 200 E for the 30 minutes. This certainly is a surprise to me, as I thought it would be 50 E + 50 E. Katja, the old pro, says that "everything is not included" and that the strap on would cost an extra 50 E. I guess I can generally accept this as most other places would charge extra also, although I guess I thought it might be included in the price. So now it is up to 150E since it was all Tanja who did the work, but I still don't understand why she wants more. Katja says, "I stuck my finger in your ass. " Well truthfully I don't know whether she did or not, I am inclined not to believe that actually happened. In any event Katja says that I owe her an extra 50E anyway. At this point I just do not want to argue with a group of women over sex services. I know that I received a session that I requested, I am just a bit upset and I feel cheated over the extra 50 E.

So buyer beware when it comes to KATJA. Anybody else with similar price issues with Katja?

Lastly there has been a lot of talk on the board regarding race and the club. I had a very good session with Magda, 30 year old blond Polish woman thin with nice breasts. This was the best session of the day. I might not even mention this, but I feel that this board has provided a lot of information to me so I do not want to hold back. I am a white man. Magda mentioned to me that she will have sex with black men but does not like it. She said after having sex with a black man she will go to the shower and scrub herself over and over again. I was disappointed by the racism and I think that some other punters may have picked up on these things.

Overall I do not think that the selection was enough for a special visit to the club, although if you are in the area and like older women it might be of interest to you.

Not all girls are comfortable doing all things sexual. Just because we pay them money does not mean we own them. And their bodies are not for us to use as we please. Experienced punters know that you must establish chemistry between the girls to get their best. A good start is respecting a girl's limits. It would be interesting to get the girls' perspective on what happened.

[Andypandara]

Some of us (me included) dont' like to fuck black girls but this doe not mean that we are racist.

Italy 1974

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I absolutely (at least consciously) am not racist at all, as I accept people for who they are as a person on an individual basis. However, when it comes to sex, I am most turned on by another person of my own race, with less attraction to other types. I don't know if that is just because of my "imprinting" on sexual attitudes that happened when I was an early teen, or for whatever other possible reasons.

I suppose this is a controversial thought, but I fundamentally believe that people are basically klan or tribal focused at a genealogical level, which is the root cause for much of the conflict that goes on in this world, e. G., Middle East conflict or fear of outsiders. I think this extends to fear of people different than us at a pretty basic level and it bleeds over into sexual attraction and what a particular person feels sexually excited about.

Recently I read an article that reported on a study about (of all things) the rendering of people in the new CGI driven films. They found that when they tried to achieve 98-99% realism, people watching the film became somewhat anxious because of that subtle 1-2% difference from an actual image of a person. I think this is a related phenomena to this subject at hand.

I can tell you from my own perspective, when I go to the GDR in the fall, I will likely not be doing many (or any) ladies of color myself. Not because I dislike that person or pre-judge them, and I certainly wouldn't feel like I have to go "scrub down" extra hard, I think that is plain stupid. I just don't feel that I would enjoy my experience as much and would feel that I am not getting my maximal monies worth.

Again, sorry if this post offends anyone, I am not trying to be offensive and I am trying to present my opinion here in a relatively PC manner. Certainly there are exceptions to the rule, maybe a significant percentage of the population. I don't know, I am not a sociologist.

[Ascari]

When it comes time to pay, Katja comes up to me and tells me I will owe 200 E for the 30 minutes. This certainly is a surprise to me, as I thought it would be 50 E + 50 E. Katja, the old pro, says that "everything is not included" and that the strap on would cost an extra 50 E. I guess I can generally accept this as most other places would charge extra also, although I guess I thought it might be included in the price. So now it is up to 150E since it was all Tanja who did the work, but I still don't understand why she wants more. Katja says, "I stuck my finger in your ass. " Well truthfully I don't know whether she did or not, I am inclined not to believe that actually happened. In any event Katja says that I owe her an extra 50E anyway. At this point I just do not want to argue with a group of women over sex services. I know that I received a session that I requested, I am just a bit upset and I feel cheated over the extra 50 E.

So buyer beware when it comes to KATJA. Anybody else with similar price issues with Katja?

Dear Ak 233, i think it would have been better if you had discussed the price before you started. 2nd if you can not agree on the price please inform Conny or some one else form the management. They take complaints very seriously.

I think 150 euro would have been a fair price, 50 for Katja and 100 for Tanya who performed the "extra service". I think you got bullied in paying an extra 50 euro. Believe me if Katja had asked a "stamgast" 50 euro for sticking her finger in his ass she would have been laughed at.

[Iseeu]

When it comes time to pay, Katja comes up to me and tells me I will owe 200 E for the 30 minutes. This certainly is a surprise to me, as I thought it would be 50 E + 50 E. Katja, the old pro, says that "everything is not included" and that the strap on would cost an extra 50 E. I guess I can generally accept this as most other places would charge extra also, although I guess I thought it might be included in the price. So now it is up to 150E since it was all Tanja who did the work, but I still don't understand why she wants more. Katja says, "I stuck my finger in your ass. " Well truthfully I don't know whether she did or not, I am inclined not to believe that actually happened. In any event Katja says that I owe her an extra 50E anyway. At this point I just do not want to argue with a group of women over sex services. I know that I received a session that I requested, I am just a bit upset and I feel cheated over the extra 50 E.

So buyer beware when it comes to KATJA. Anybody else with similar price issues with Katja?

I've never had a problem with her with creative pricing and the practice is very much frowned upon by the management. I don't doubt your account of the session so this is very surprising to me.
On the other hand, you did request an unusual special service without designating which of the SP should have the honors, so in theory they had both agreed to provide the service. And, in other clubs you may also have been charged the "lesbian action" surcharge.
Then again, I have had my back door prodded by Hof fingers on many occasions, and don't ever recall being charged extra, so you may be paying the newbie premium.

[Ortos]

it's probably really hard to keep track of the "facts" in so many fabricated stories. they eventually catch up to you.

sheesh!

give it up already. musings on chanel and layla from babylon who worked in babylon 7 years ago, and never worked at the hof, don't belong here, and no one really cares...

when the light (of truth) shines its focused beam...the cockroaches shall rep001ter for the nearest sewer pipe...

esteemed saying of the priests of puffor2ohash temple in himalaya...

[Italy 1974]

At Bernd's there is a girl who really looks like (though not too much) Babylon's Layla: but she is definitely not Magda.

Italy 1974

Confused? It's probably really hard to keep track of so many fabricated stories. They eventually catch up to you.

Besides, Layla of Babylon, with whom I sessioned in March 2009 (http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=135), was of Tunisian origins, and skinny with short dark hair. Magda of Bernd's, is Polish and blonde, and was workiing in Traum Paradies in March of 2009, where she had red hair. It's easy to see how someone could mistake them for each other.

Give it up already. Musings on Chanel and Layla from Babylon who worked in Babylon 7 years ago, and never worked at the Hof, don't belong here.

[Iseeu]

Magda looked a lot like a Leila I knew at Cocoon but with bad teeth.

Also in this club was "Laila" of Elsdorf Babylon as well, she looked the same as I met her a few years back. Shocked to see her three times in six years.

There was another girl who I know for certain was Laila from Babylon, she had large tits and you could see a vein crossing one of them, it was definitely her.

Cocoon or Babylon? It's probably really hard to keep track of the "facts" in so many fabricated stories. They eventually catch up to you.

Know for certain that it was definitely her? Layla of Babylon, with whom I sessioned in March 2009 (http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=135), was of Tunisian origins, and skinny with dark hair and dark features. Magda of Bernd's, is Polish and blonde, and was workiing in Traum Paradies in March of 2009, where she had red hair. It's easy to see how someone could mistake them for each other since she had a vein crossing one of her breasts. Sheesh!

Give it up already. Musings on Chanel and Layla from Babylon who worked in Babylon 7 years ago, and never worked at the Hof, don't belong here, and no one really cares...

[Australiasucks]

Magda looked a lot like a Leila I knew at Cocoon but with bad teeth. As I said the girls at Bernds were not stunners at all.

[Italy 1974]

I have been following the debate that in the last few day is developing about Bernd's.

I must admit tha I am biased toward "the mother of all Fkk" but still I think to succeed in mantaining a balanced pont of view when it comes to talk about the Hof.

Leaving modesty apart I think to be one of the most loyal foreign customers of this fine establishment as I have been there for the frst time in 2004 and I have paid at least 100 visits since then.

One thing is clear: in the last two years Bernd's is on a declining trend: we can discuss about how much it is declining but its decline is a fact. If you think just for a moment about the line-up the club used to offer back in 2007 and compare it to the current one the difference is quite evident. Three years ago you was welcomed at Schieferhof by talents like Princess, Svenja, Monika, Bianca, Agatha, Debbie, Brandy All those talents are now missing and they have not been replaced. Though in the last two years we have been watching some very good girls come and go: I would mention Luna, Maja, Susy I noticed that in the last few months Rosi put some efforts in bringing new faces (and taking back some old one like Leonie) and this is good but the current level is still not comparable to the golden times. The truth is simple as that: the quality of the line-up at Bernd's is not what it's used to be, particularly in the "look" department though the above mentioned girls were very good also in the bed.

Said that I think that Bernd's is still ranking very high in my personal list of Fkk clubs in Germany and the reasons are basically two: the atmposphere and the service.

The environment at the Hof is unique: that strange and fantastic mix of home-sweet-home atmosphere and wild brothel action that you can feel observing people chatting quietly with the girls (or among themselves) while at one-meter distance two men are having a blowjob on the sofa talks by itself. This feeling is not easy to explain nor to understand; but you can find it only at the Hof.

Also the service at Schieferhof is peculiar: the level of the service offered by the girls is really high and consistent, with come-in-mouth included in the price; moreover (and this is very important for me) almost every girl offers a great time in the bed: so you don't have to worry about bringing in the room a dead-fish like in many other Fkk clubs. Yes, girls are not supermodels in the 18/20 years range but they are skilled, with decent lokk and very keen to please.

These are the real "plus" that Bernd's offers to its customers and it explains well why you have to pay 70 Euro to enter in a a club that is small, old, with an average (to be nice) buffet, without a swimming pool and a proper garden and with mostly average looking girls in the 25/35 years range. In my last visit I have enjoyed the company of Anna, Jenny, Mara and Dana: great sex and great time indeed!

PS: I have read a post where it was mentioned a cheating by Katja. I am not a great fan of Katja in the bed but I would be very surprised if this cheating will be proven true as she is the longest serving girls at the Hof and I never heard anything bad about her. As for the racism, unfortunately it is everywhere so it may be present at Bernd's as well. You may also think that Magda English skills are quite limited and she may mean that she doesn't like to fuck black men without a proper racist attitude. Some of us (me included) dont' like to fuck black girls but this doe not mean that we are racist.

Italy 1974

[Ak233]

This was my second visit to Bernds. I realize that the girls are not stunning and that the selling point for this establishment is service. I had an interesting time overall, you be the judge. First I did get a nice massage, costing 25E for 30 minutes. That was probably the best deal of the house and I would recommend the massage for anyone interested. It was performed upstairs on a massage table.

For sex, I was struggling to find some girls. Eventually I decided upon Tanja, a wide-eyed thirty year old dark-haired Russian, with whom I hooked up with in the basement. Nice body, cute face. Just like all the others before me, we started kissing a bit, then she began performing a BBBJ in the public area. I was trying to be sensual by touching her head and face, but she jerked in one direction, and I accidentally poked her in her right eye. Ouch! That took some of the fun out of things. She said she was all right, but hell, I just poked her in the eye. She still wanted to go to the room. I asked her if she had a friend, and she chose Katja, another Russian. Katja is older, probably 40-45, with nice big breasts. We three then went to a room, where I pulled out a toy I wanted to try: a small strap on dildo. Confusion ensues. Ultimately it is clear to all that I want one of the girls to wear the dildo and use it on me. Tanja takes the role and she actually does a pretty good job with it. Same time I am getting oral from Katja. We mix it up for a while. After 30 minutes we are done.

When it comes time to pay, Katja comes up to me and tells me I will owe 200 E for the 30 minutes. This certainly is a surprise to me, as I thought it would be 50 E + 50 E. Katja, the old pro, says that "everything is not included" and that the strap on would cost an extra 50 E. I guess I can generally accept this as most other places would charge extra also, although I guess I thought it might be included in the price. So now it is up to 150E since it was all Tanja who did the work, but I still don't understand why she wants more. Katja says, "I stuck my finger in your ass. " Well truthfully I don't know whether she did or not, I am inclined not to believe that actually happened. In any event Katja says that I owe her an extra 50E anyway. At this point I just do not want to argue with a group of women over sex services. I know that I received a session that I requested, I am just a bit upset and I feel cheated over the extra 50 E.

So buyer beware when it comes to KATJA. Anybody else with similar price issues with Katja?

Lastly there has been a lot of talk on the board regarding race and the club. I had a very good session with Magda, 30 year old blond Polish woman thin with nice breasts. This was the best session of the day. I might not even mention this, but I feel that this board has provided a lot of information to me so I do not want to hold back. I am a white man. Magda mentioned to me that she will have sex with black men but does not like it. She said after having sex with a black man she will go to the shower and scrub herself over and over again. I was disappointed by the racism and I think that some other punters may have picked up on these things.

Overall I do not think that the selection was enough for a special visit to the club, although if you are in the area and like older women it might be of interest to you.

[Australiasucks]

Last May my taxi cost less than 15€. Because I was early I had my female cabbie drop me at Reuters, which was also closed.

Myr.

Well the bus is another low cost way to get to the hof. The only thing is that when you get off you have to turn around and go the opposite direction. The VRR and VRS sites are really useful, I think vrr is a little bit better, can give you accurate directions for getting to a club, saving you a bundle by avoiding taxis.

[Myrmidon]

Last May my taxi cost less than 15€. Because I was early I had my female cabbie drop me at Reuters, which was also closed.

Myr.

[Australiasucks]

Headed down to Bernd's today. Was around 6pm when we left Koln, which was a big mistake. Tons of traffic Koln to Bonn, very slow. Got to Bernd's around 7pm.

I'd read a lot here about how the Bernd's ladies are "MILFY" but give exceptional service. I'm all for exceptional service and GFEs, so I was very eager to go there and basically dragged my buddy with me. I cannot stress this enough. I went in with high expectations and optimism.

I have to say, I was pretty disappointed in the looks-quality of the women at Bernd's. "MILFY" to me means porn stars like Francesca Le and Lisa Ann. Who still are lithe, tight-bodied performers even if they're 40+. Many of the Bernd's ladies today (7pm on a Thursday) were somewhat chub-chub, with saggy tits and bottoms. Hey, if that's your thing more power to you. Get your freak on! It's just not mine.

(By the way, my buddy said his girl told him Bernd's had been in that spot/house for 60 years. To which he jokingly asked "And have you been here the whole time? " LOL. Zing! Just to give you a sense that these are definitely not the 20-25 year old chicks you see at other FKKs, or tight-bodied like them).

If anyone can explain why Bernd's charges 70 Eur entry (vs. 50 for other FKKs) that would be great. I didn't see the benefit in the facilities or the girls or the food. Basically it's a decent-sized house on a street of private houses. It has at least 3 levels. Basement level with bar / couches and some rooms / showers, ground floor level with showers/lockers, bar, lounge area, small dining area, and small outdoor backyard (which had nobody in it at 7pm on a warm summer day! Crazy!), and upstairs rooms and the massage room.

My friend grabbed a Romanian slim girl with short black hair and she started making out with him on the downstairs couches. We watched some old dude get blown down there too. Fun times.

I had seen a slim dark-haired girl with two tramp-stamp tattoos on her back. One on her lower back and one over her shoulders. Finally, after she disappeared for a while, she popped back into the main bar and I caught her eye. Her name is Erika from Romania. I tried to explain I hadn't had much luck with Romanian girls, that they didn't have much passion. She disagreed and showed me with some nice DFK in the lounge. I asked if she could suck deep and she said yes and showed me on my soft unit right there in the lounge. Turns out she speaks Spanish after 3 years in Spain, but her English is not that great. So we started talking in Spanish and suddenly I could understand her 10x better. We headed off to the room downstairs right behind the lockers.

Decent but not deep-throat BBBJ. Then standing doggy where she just pulled her panties aside. Then onto the bed for some cowgirl, reverse cowgirl (sitting), and reverse cowgirl with her leaning forward away from me. Very nice. She started fingering her own butthole while doing that, which was nice too. But something was missing. I don't know if I just wasn't that attracted to her (she had somewhat flappy tits), but I just sort of petered out and didn't see the point in finishing. We sat on the bed a few minutes and then I just excused myself. I stretched on the way out and she recommended a massage for 25 Eur. I'm like, Sure! So she introduced me to the masseuse.

Masseuse was an older German woman (55+?). Took me upstairs and really gave me a strong massage focusing on all the spots I indicated, and stretching me out. Didn't speak a lick of English or Spanish. Hard to communicate, but she was great. Best 25 Eur. Spent. Tipped her 10 Eur for doing such a great job.

By this point my buddy was done as well and we both were not inclined to stay around, being unimpressed by the selection and the performance of our respective choices. So we decided to head out and try somewhere different. GPS said FKK World was 113KM away, so instead we decided to return to Koln and Samya. See that thread for my 2nd Samya report.

-Cartman

There is a far easier way to get to Bernds without driving or bothering with traffic, which in Germany can get downright bad. Take the S12 direction Sieg to Hennef, and then bus 522 direction Alter Zoll to Lichtenberg Uckerath, walk in reverse of the direction of the bus stop to Schieferhof, easy as pie. The fare should be 6. 60 EUR each way. You can also avoid the bus and just take a taxi from Hennef though I am not sure how much the fare will set you back. I have to admit the girls here have a good attitude and work hard but they are not knockouts in the looks department, especially compared to Cocoon three years ago and Babylon way back in the day, my experience with Chanel in Babylon still remains the pinnacle of my FKK experiences, absolutely mind blowing, and worth the 30 hour flight to Europe. I think my experience in Cocoon with a blonde Ukrainian came almost as close but I have a thing for the exotic, and Chanel was clearly as exotic as a Lamborghini Nera. I will probably travel to Germany again in December or late spring, hopefully will have the same luck as Mambo and run into "the" Chanel, although the one I met clearly had no issues with dfk and DATY.