FKK Bernd's - Schieferhof

[Sexfan]

I'm pretty sure there is a standard charge for anal, but can't remember how much. EUR 50? 70? Anyone? I don't think you have to negotiate on price anyway.

Anal is + 50 euro.

Brandy and Michelle do it for sure.

Mara and Monika if they are comfortable with the guest. So no guarantee.

[Toscana]

I'm pretty sure there is a standard charge for anal, but can't remember how much. EUR 50? 70? Anyone? I don't think you have to negotiate on price anyway.

[Marlow]

@timmendorf
...what you describe. As for running away, where would they run too; and as a recent Italian mafia killing spree at a four star restaurant in the Rhür (I think from memory) in which a family was wiped out, revenge is only a shotgun barrel away. These guys travelled from Italy to do the job! And a few years ago a young good looking club owner in Frankfurt, in his thirties, was gunned down outside his house and left in the street to die.

[Fats]

Jimmy Smits--your best bet would be Michelle or Brandi. Some other girls will do it with a regular customer/if they're in the mood, but Michelle and Brandi are a sure bet.

[Euro100]

Available yes or no? Is it included in the 50E price?

Available, but not standard. You have to negotiate on a case-by-case basis. If the girls says no, and you really want it, just more on to the next girl and ask her.

[Jimmy Smits]

Available yes or no? Is it included in the 50E price?

[Love Palace]

You are right the picture is more complex than you can imagine. In other clubs than FKK, the guest pay to the bar/management. A girl brought there by a pimp will only have 60 of her share. 40% to the pimp. Paid to him by the club.

For example 1 hr. 250 euro (normal price Funny, Relax etc) 125 euro should be for the girl. But she gets 60% of 125. Rest to the pimp. A pimp can have several girls there! Does not need to meet here in months! There are turkish restaurant owners that hire Polish girls to their restaurant. Pays 500 euro a month for 12 hours day and after a while suggest a better paid job. Brings the girl to the club, not everybody is prepared for what is up. He will get the income as long as she works in the business or she pays her free. You may say they can run away, but that is dangerous for her and family. Without money it is not easy to leave the club either. And after a while the money is good and the pimp helps with practical matters.

So you are right there is a wide varity of backgrounds.

The ex Yugoslavs and Turks are the worst and certainly girls get trapped into paying large chunks of their earnings to upleasant men. I'm not sure now watertight or prevelant this age old Zuhälter system is. Clubs do pay a finder's fee, but earnings go direct to the girl, not to her 'boyfriend'. Her boyfriend may provide accommodation while she is in Germany and charge a fat rent. Young German born Turks think it's hip to be a zuhälter and recruit girls in clubs. Girls from the former soviet states ending in '-stan' are more than likely to be beholden to a pimp, whereas from neighbouring states -Poland, Czech etc, - girls are more likely to be freelance. An expert would probably tell me the picture is more complex than one can imagine. At one end there's the thirty something teacher from St. Petersburg and the other the twenty one year old Russian from Volgagrad in Germany since three years doing a course in Germanics: the late twenties German mother with son from Hessen, the Czech mother in her early thirties married to a German, the thirty something Moscow woman with daughter whose family in Germany help out while she works.....so as you see many of them don't fit the profile. Though at Oase and World and Samya they probably do: nubile, single, not much German, great lookers, high earners. but appearances can be deceptive!

[Marlow]

The ex Yugoslavs and Turks are the worst and certainly girls get trapped into paying large chunks of their earnings to upleasant men. I'm not sure now watertight or prevelant this age old Zuhälter system is. Clubs do pay a finder's fee, but earnings go direct to the girl, not to her 'boyfriend'. Her boyfriend may provide accommodation while she is in Germany and charge a fat rent. Young German born Turks think it's hip to be a zuhälter and recruit girls in clubs. Girls from the former soviet states ending in '-stan' are more than likely to be beholden to a pimp, whereas from neighbouring states -Poland, Czech etc, - girls are more likely to be freelance. An expert would probably tell me the picture is more complex than one can imagine. At one end there's the thirty something teacher from St. Petersburg and the other the twenty one year old Russian from Volgagrad in Germany since three years doing a course in Germanics: the late twenties German mother with son from Hessen, the Czech mother in her early thirties married to a German, the thirty something Moscow woman with daughter whose family in Germany help out while she works.....so as you see many of them don't fit the profile. Though at Oase and World and Samya they probably do: nubile, single, not much German, great lookers, high earners. but appearances can be deceptive!

[Love Palace]

You are right. Would only like to add that even in exclusive clubs and FKK there are many girls with pimps. Some brought them there and have 40% of income. Others have the role of protectors and get part of income even after the girl started to work there. The girls are often a bit lost in a new job and country and many wants a part of their income. You may call them boyfriends. And some think they are in love. In exclusvive clubs they tip the employees compulsuary. Some doormen/clubattedens start to make problems for the girls and get money to solve the "problems". Many girls has to pay a fee to their pimps to be "free" from a non-excisting contract. There is also threats against their family back home if they do not behave. A lot of pimps are from Balkan and Turkey.

FKK is the best solution for the girls. They only problem here is the pimp that brought them or they choose themselves.

Pimp/boyfriend that's the question. Whether 'tis nobler to arrive in a Skoda or take his arm and be guided into the Porsche. Pimping in Germany exists, but we call them boyfriends as often that is actually what they are. Your average German Zuhälter caricature is a skinhead with disco-muscles, works out in a gym during the day and polishes his tattooes at night. However Bernds isn't the kind of place where this dickhead sends his girl - she's more likely to be in Samya or Oase or World. Girls may not like Mr. Boyfriend but being young and defenceless they need his anabolics to frighten off other hidebound suitors who see an easy picking. Trafficking exists but mostly around the Frankfurt and Berlin areas, to name two of the larger cities with ths problem. Cologne I would venture to say does not suffer that much from trafficking as competition and quality in Cologne sort of ensure that nasty, cheap, drug dependent women earn zilch. Hamburg is also pretty bad for trafficking, though I did hear it is finally starting to enter the modern world.
As Germany is (I venture to claim) unique in what if offers in terms of legal fun
(which other EU country boasts such fabulous clubs?) pimps and traffickers have a hard time forcing women into the trade. Where it is illegal such as the UK will soon become, traffickers and pimps thrive. Most women do it because they pretty much want to and for a multitude of reasons.

[Marlow]

Pimp/boyfriend that's the question. Whether 'tis nobler to arrive in a Skoda or take his arm and be guided into the Porsche. Pimping in Germany exists, but we call them boyfriends as often that is actually what they are. Your average German Zuhälter caricature is a skinhead with disco-muscles, works out in a gym during the day and polishes his tattooes at night. However Bernds isn't the kind of place where this dickhead sends his girl - she's more likely to be in Samya or Oase or World. Girls may not like Mr. Boyfriend but being young and defenceless they need his anabolics to frighten off other hidebound suitors who see an easy picking. Trafficking exists but mostly around the Frankfurt and Berlin areas, to name two of the larger cities with ths problem. Cologne I would venture to say does not suffer that much from trafficking as competition and quality in Cologne sort of ensure that nasty, cheap, drug dependent women earn zilch. Hamburg is also pretty bad for trafficking, though I did hear it is finally starting to enter the modern world.
As Germany is (I venture to claim) unique in what if offers in terms of legal fun
(which other EU country boasts such fabulous clubs?) pimps and traffickers have a hard time forcing women into the trade. Where it is illegal such as the UK will soon become, traffickers and pimps thrive. Most women do it because they pretty much want to and for a multitude of reasons.

[Hollandmale]

According to a Rheinforum-report, 17 girls were attending:

- Mara, Debby, Babsi, Brandi, Anna, Tanja, Katja, Lisa, Leonie,
Sylvia, Monica, Carmen, Jamila, Michelle, Betty, Mahee, Milena.

[Euro100]

If it's a 911, it's probably a pimp ;-)

Even that is not assured ... One of the girls at the 'hof told me that she has a 60+ year old regular client who drives a Carera. Sometimes she spends the night there, and he drops her off at opening time.

[Fkk Lover]

If it's a 911, it's probably a pimp ;-)

[Chicafan]

I think it is reasonable to believe some of these girls are pimped, pay a fee, are indebted, whatever, at least initially. But I would be surprised to find out some girl is indebted for years to a guy(s). We know girls from Poland are bussed in for two week stints at some clubs. Surely they pay certain fees for it but aren't indebted. I've talked to several girls about it and they look at me like it's a crazy notion- that they are sex slaves or something similar. Most of them seem to make their own decisions. I'm sure there are a few that are under some guy's thumb, that happens everywhere in some form. But by and large it seems like the girls do what they want when they want. Some of them might even willingly work to support their boyfriend's needing a nice car to pick them up in. In Latin America it happens quite often that a girl works and the husband knows, even supports it because the money is so good.

[Sexfan]

Most girls at Schieferhof are independant. A few girls have a pimp. I could post some names but I won't do it.