FKK Bernd's - Schieferhof

[Excess]

.. by a naked women is the standard.

Being greeted by the fully dressed bartender (or Thekenfrau) is not the standard.

Being "greeted" by Connie on one of her many 'bad days' would certainly make a first-timer think twice about entering.

[Jackyo]

Of course you're entitled to tell them that you read the internet and post on ISG. I doubt if it will make that much of an impression.

In the grand scheme of things, the women (particularly in the non-tourist oriented clubs) know that their domestic clientele are those who butter their bread.

The stray English speaking tourist who comes by once and a while is not the one who they need to impress that much.

[Jackyo]

I was actually met at the door by a naked woman rather than by the bartender.

.. by a naked women is the standard.

Being greeted by the fully dressed bartender (or Thekenfrau) is not the standard.

[Clomonger]

A few comments after enjoying a couple of visits to Bernd's over the past week.

My first session was with Michaela, who is relatively new to Bernd's scene. Certainly no complaints there. She fits in well with the fine level of service that seems to be the norm at Bernd's. And an added plus: She is able to converse in English! One of the challenges at Bernd's for non-German speakers such as myself is finding someone with at least limited skills in English for use in that initial "getting to know you" period on the couch. At least for me, that interlude adds to the quality of the non-verbal activities that follow.

During my recovery period, I ran into Excess, Soldier Boy and the guy now known as Gameless Dork. Nothing like some conversation with fellow hobbiests over a Pils to pass the time.

During this conversation, Soldier Boy mentioned that Svenja's oral skills are quite outstanding. Actually, he used slightly different terminology to make his point, but I understood it quite clearly.

Although I was close to exhaustion at that point, there happened to be an empty space on the couch next to Svenja, which I quickly occupied (to the surprise of Soldier Boy, who was contemplating such a move himself). This slender half-German, half-Italian lady also has some English capability, after which she began to demonstrate the skills that Soldier Boy had alluded to.

Despite my feeling that I was done for the night, her mouth quickly proved that thought to be incorrect, quite a surprise for us both. Since this achievement took only a matter of minutes, she finished out the half-hour with a soothing back massage.

Some comments, then, about Bernd's in general, most of which won't be news to frequent readers of this section:

The smoke level of the place is very high. At one point, it was even necessary to open the window to air the place out a bit. It's an irritant, but at least for me, not a deal-breaker.

The warm-up period on the couch is pretty amazing. Generally speaking, chat moves on to DFK and then to BBBJ in the public areas. I found that the observation of these activities taking place with other patrons is much more stimulating than the porn flicks that are standard FKK fare.

I also liked the technique of paying at Bernd's. At the end of a session, the girl simply asks for your locker number and gives you a towel for your next shower. No money changes hands at that point.

Payment is made after you are dressed and about to leave the club. Your bill for however many sessions you've had is totalled up, you pay, and if any of your playmates are not occupied, they come up to bid you farewell.

This method separates the "payment" from the "services" by some number of minutes or maybe even hours, perhaps making it easier to fantisize that the services were provided because you were a pleasant person to be with, rather than just another paying customer. It's quite different from the other Frankfurt FKK clubs where you be the girl immediately after leaving the room.

As time permits, I'll add a few comments about getting lost in Germany in the General Information section.

[Fats]

Brandy is in her early thirties, has shortish light colored hair, very wide set eyes and very shall we say prominent teeth. She is thin, flexible and usually sits downstairs on the benches along the wall. She often sits rolled up like a ball, with her knees by her chin. To be honest, based on looks, she would not be the first woman there I would pick. Or the 2nd or 3rd for that matter. She will be very good in the room, but if you think Svenja is no facial beauty, compared to Brandy, Svenja is a beauty queen. That being said, if you plan to go with Brandy, be sure to get plenty of sleep the night before, take your vitamins and be prepared for the ride of your life.

[Toscana]

Yes, Jim, I know all about you and Belarussian girls. :-) Polar's description is accurate. She is slim (A/B breasts), no fat anywhere. Just nicely shaped. Really like her eyes. She's from near Minsk, and been at B's for about 18 months, I think. And as with so many Belarus girls, life has driven out the airs and graces. Definitely has her feet on the ground.

In fact I was tempted to go over to her, BECAUSE she was smiling to me, and because there was a nice bit of free sofa next to her. Space, in the rooms and on the couches downstairs, was at times at a premium. Polar, I know she has very little English at all. We spoke German. But why worry? You can always fall back on French....

[Polar]

is brunette with straight shoulderlength hair. Pretty short (but to a 2 meters guy everyone is short), I would say 1,60 or something like that. Very good looking, but allthough I've been at Bernds several times now, I can not remember seeing her smile. I find that curious, especillay when you have been to the place a couple of hours and listened to Marcella...

My question to Toscana is about Ritas english skills. My german is so limited, so I have not even tried talking to her yet. Did you have an english or german conversation with her?

[GandJim]

Hi Tosc,

You know I have a softspot for Belarussian girl . Can you develop a little bit more on Rita? Blonde? Brunette? ... redhead ?

Jim

[Toscana]

Lots of interesting fireside chit-chat about Brandy the past few days, guys. She polarizes every forum.....

I must say I'm wondering just what I've got to do to meet this girl. Turned up yesterday, and again she was not there. So far as I know, but I'm pretty sure I identified even those I'd not seen before by the end. I still have no idea what she looks like. So no tantrums, no earful about forums, no anal shrieking, no head-over-heels oral gymnastics. Does she know I'm driving over?

It was still an entertaining few hours, which I utilized to get to know both Rita and Svenja for the first time. They put in excellent performances, both extremely good kissers.

Rita is a very, very pretty Belarus girl in my book, and quite a live wire in conversation. The room was very good Bernd's standard.

Svenja is no facial beauty for me, but has a body right to my taste. Literally of course. She is indeed experienced. Very fine long BBBJ hoovering and 69, plus a crunching CIM finish at the end of an hour's acrobatics. Her mouth and my dick were created together in a previous life, I am sure. I shall simply have to return to Schieferhof for regular reunions. Like space station and shuttle, it's a long way before they come together, but the dock-on will be smooth precision-perfect harmony. Was a goner after her, so called it a day on that high note.

[Bocken]

This whole explanation smacks of the kind of double standards men are good at. You are saying to me we must never tell them what we write about them because of their sensibilities about being prostitutes? Sorry but what I read tells me more about the attitude of men here, than it does of the girls themselves.

Meh,

I think you're making this a bit more complicated than it really is. IMO, it's not about looking down on prostitutes or anything like that.

Simply put: If anonymous people on a public forum on the internet were to judge, analyze and grade MY job performance, in detail, continously, on a day to day basis, then that would make me a little uncomfortable. And pretty damn pissed off.

So, to me, it's no wonder if many of the women should find forums like this annoying or disturbing or whatever. Therefore, my personal view is that it might be best if I avoid bringing unnecessary attention to the fact that I'm active on this forum.

But, hey, if you feel like starting a session by telling the girl that you later intend to write a public report card on her performance, grading her looks, technique and enthusiasm then by all means, go ahead. And good luck with that

[Marlow]

This whole explanation smacks of the kind of double standards men are good at. You are saying to me we must never tell them what we write about them because of their sensibilities about being prostitutes? Sorry but what I read tells me more about the attitude of men here, than it does of the girls themselves. In other words pretending to treat them are normal people, while behind their backs writing about them as sex objects. Some girls want to know what is written (not here because it's in English) so they can improve their technique. Like everyone they get pissed off if it sometimes isn't good. I think these typical Anglo-saxon double standards have no place in Germany, where prostitution is legal and by and large (not always) girls are not looked down on. (It is difficult to look down on someone earning 60,000 euros a year!) As Gerry MacGuire said 'show me the money'. Frankly I don't care for all this sham behaviour. The girls know very well what job they are doing and proud of it, so give up this notion they are little flowers in need of protection, they are a lot toughter that most of us men. If you have been to the Bernd's girls Christmas party in Cologne and gone on with them afterwards you will quickly be disabused of the thought that these are women ashamed of what the do for a living. But what the hell tell the girl what you like because she'll tell you what you want to hear in return. Here's another line out of a film, by Ken Russell, when a call girl says to a client who demands the truth 'which truth do you want?' I am not against people being nice to each other, but men trying to tell each other how to behave when it comes to sex - that's a bit rich.

[Excess]

''answer is Always, Always, Always the same - "A friend was here and told me that I should come" The less "Internet talk" the better for both the girls and we honorable (sic) members.''

Is it? If so why? why for example are we telling others how to behave? It comes across as very snotty-nosed, head prefect, school boss, kind of way to say there is a correct way to behave. Why the less Internet talk the better? ....

Marlow,

I believe that you missed the point in your reply. My point was not that full and open discussion of clubs, the girls and their service offerings shouldn't be written about and shared on Internet Boards such as this one. I certainly believe that it should.

My point was that one should never reply to a girl's question that we often hear from them that we read about them and their services on the Internet. You get the same point across by telling them that a friend visited and recommended that you visit - if it is your first time. On subsequent visits a similar story in that you have indeed been there before and if the pressed where did you hear about it ?- from a friend.

Why you ask ? 1) Female sensibilities and 2) the information is to be shared by Men who are seeking information about Women for sex and not with the Women and upset them- why should we?

Most woman who have a big ass know it. Most woman who do prefer not to be reminded of it. Most women who work in the industry know that they can be classsed at least for their time there as W****s, most woman who do prefer not to be reminded of it. Many are not particularly proud of the fact and do so for a number of reasons that in the end are only important to them.

Much of the industry thrives on perceptions. Most woman and many men prefer 'positive' rather than negative perceptions.

The Reward. Let's be selfish, one will usually find a higher level of service and willingness to please if the women are treated somewhat as normal people just as many men often like to keep their own perceptions of the surroundings and activities taking place. This includes telling them that their every activity and scoreboard is on the internet. Women are thankfully women but they do have their quirks and most are offended by this.

The Downside. Fats covered it. Brandy as reported many times - including by me is one of the most uninhibited providers known to (many) man. She truly revels in her sexuality and shares it enthousiastically. Her reaction to Fats answer states the case of female sensibilities. They all also have their moods and their own sense of privacy even if different from yours or mine. Rubbing their noses publically in the fact of the type of work that they are doing and that it is 'public knowledge' usually doesn't help in receiving the higher levels of service that we all hope for. And that is what the ISG Forum and members are all about and looking for.

Saying that I am among the first to encourage accurate reporting and cutting off below standard providers as soon as possible in the way that hurts them most immediately - in their purse. 'Nuff said.

We all very much enjoy our hobby and the information from this Forum to highten it. Enjoy by all means but the counterparty to our transactions are not unfeeling machines but people who chose a different work environment than many of us. In the Zimmer or in the wonderful case of the 'Hof on the couches - it's Voll Gaz. But let the girls keep their diginity if they wish while they are blowing your brains out - you and those who come after you will usually reap the rewards of a better session and THAT is what it is all about.

I too would wish to make the final point that I appreciate your reports and those of Fats among the rest. When at a club and meet an ISG member who has been lurking or not posting, I go out of my way to encourage them to report.

I am reminded of a very good reply from Hollandmale to a poster that commented that he would not measure up in the quality of his reporting to a new club for him after his upcoming visit as compared to several outstanding posts on the club made by Hollandmale and others.

Hollandmale replied that the Club newbie's report on his visit would be the most valuable since it would be most up to date.

The Club was Bernd's and the newbie to the Club was ehhmm... me.

Wise man that Hollandmale.

[Nick The G]

Could it be that the truth of the matter is that Brandy is getting fed up with all the hype? That what is written about her is...er, OTT? That some of the reports here, like those on German boards, are suffering from a slight case of the 'maerchen' syndrome? Would seem to be a possibility to me.

I fully support what you state here!
Always be open for a new experience and trust in your own experience. Don't compare to others, it may completely ruin the good feelings in your life!

[Nick The G]

When we got to the room I asked Brandy what she liked to do and anal was not among the things she said. So I didn’t bring it up and certainly didn’t demand it because others wrote she offers anal.
I didn’t ask her to swallow....

I'm sure, you're a good boy! You pay to comfort a woman, therefore you ask the woman what she wants! Perfect service attitude!
Why don't you tell her what you want for your money! E.g., say, I have the following fantasies (which of course are mine now!): I want deep kisses and feel your tongue everywhere, I want to fuck you in different positions including anal for about 2 hours, then please take the condom off and I would like to come in your mouth finally and I would like to see you swallow my juice with pleasure.
It's as simple as that!
And the woman (Brandy or any other) can say yes or no to (parts of) your proposal and then can tell you the price you have to pay!

Maybe I'm wrong but my impression is: your head was filled up with all these expectations but you didn't dare to say what you really wanted and now you try a bit to blame the result on the woman! You think she can read your thoughts?
My proposal: maybe next time you try it the new and maybe more direct or "aggessive" way and I would be very interested what the results are! Say directly and clearly what you want/expect from her!

My first session with Brandy lasted approx. 1,5 hours, didn't include anal (I didn't ask for it), but it was way beyond everything else I had experienced before!

As I wrote before, my session ended with a CIM and she spit it out. I didn’t ask her to swallow and didn’t expect her to swallow.

Come on, why did you mention it in your original posting then, you even compared it to the experience of others with Brandy?????

I didn’t say I’ve read on the internet that you swallow, so swallow.

The internet is in your head!
You were completely preoccupied with all the scrap from the internet! You can cite as many other guys (including me) from as many sex-forums as you want, it will not help you.
What I meant was: You are a fool if you suck in and accumulate/amplify all the information in your brain and believe in what has been written in these internet sex forums by others and that it will happen to you, instantaneously!

Before you call someone else a fool, perhaps you should improve your reading comprehension.

I promise I try!
Don't take it too seriously, our hobby is fun and illusion costing a lot of money.
On the other hand, I have no problem stating that I'm a fool myself, especially in those days now in the middle of the carneval season in Germany! (big grin)

[Marlow]

Thanks to Fats for giving a clear and concise appraisal of a visit to Bernd's. Could it be that the truth of the matter is that Brandy is getting fed up with all the hype? That what is written about her is...er, OTT? That some of the reports here, like those on German boards, are suffering from a slight case of the 'maerchen' syndrome? Would seem to be a possibility to me.