FKK Bernd's - Schieferhof

[Excess]

Even within the context of known AO clubs, there are women who still rubber-up at these, and generally they will offer a condom. There is no such thing as absolute AO, so by your definition none of the clubs would qualify.

I don't care whether you or Dreams decide that it's not a sufficient distinction, in that Bernds looks the other way with AO. In both of your conclusions, the club must be way over the line to be considered over-the-line. The points that Breadman and I make is that once you're over that line, you qualify.

Exactly. My point made. Clearly, cameras and video recording of all room sessions shoudl be mandatory along with a shot of the punter`s Identification document and the girl`s appended to each session for later play back by the club and legal authorities and in full disclosure posted each day on the Internet. Only that way we might reasonably be sure that a club is providing what it advertises and that punters and the girls do not cross the line. Clubs could also then advertise their status and customers be reassured that it is correct.

I think not.

E.

[Woofiee]

Since this is a German based thread, I was taking about German P6. It was just an added bonus that I got to point out you were wrong.

Praise the Lord, I can see you standing at your pulpit, trying to convince the folks on how you were weak and saved by a fallen angel, pleading with the parishioners to not follow to you into temptation.

See it anyway you want. When the behavior you're targeting is available everywhere and if you get your wish you will give the impression that one club is safer than another and that's simply not true. If there is a health risk, your line of action makes it worse.

To folks other than Woofiee, I apologize for being snarky. I get irritated when someone assumes he knows more about what's better for me than I. I also get annoyed with censorship. That exactly what is being proposed here. I willingly accept whatever rules Jackson places on the conversation because he pays the bill and I don't. This is his sandbox and I appreciate opportunity and information this provides. I don't want to see censorship when it's not needed and is actually counter productive to the stated goal.

So I have decided to retire from this conversation and will ignore it in the future.

Again. You're the one deciding who can speak and who cannot.

I never said not to go to Bernds, and I directly said that adults should do what they want! You misrepresent me and twist what I directly wrote to make your point, which is at best scurrilous. You both remind me of a bunch of Fox News commentators who drive-up fantasies because they want things ONLY their way.

You want to go without a condom, fine, but don't preach mistruths and then lecture me. Anyone with an ounce of respect for how science and the natural world works understands that when you have a club with loose "rules" about AO, and the guys going there aren't directly checked like in AO clubs, it is substantively *more* dangerous than a rubber-only OR AO club.

What I love is when guys decide that the rules of science don't exist because they don't think it applies to them. Brilliant. Keep up the good work.

[Woofiee]

No, if AO is available in these clubs on the selective decision of individual girls that doesn`t make them AO clubs where it is understood that AO is available as it says: from every girl as the usual service and usually included in the price. If you choose to go to an AO club but wish to cover up that is also fine.

A FKK club is exactly that FKK with variable service levels girl by girl and sometimes day by day including in some cases AO usually at an increased cost depending upon the arrangement made- willing seller, willing buyer, an AO club is just that AO. All the time and every time or they better invent a new name like AA. Being AO Almost Always, but not every time.

E.

Even within the context of known AO clubs, there are women who still rubber-up at these, and generally they will offer a condom. There is no such thing as absolute AO, so by your definition none of the clubs would qualify.

I don't care whether you or Dreams decide that it's not a sufficient distinction, in that Bernds looks the other way with AO. In both of your conclusions, the club must be way over the line to be considered over-the-line. The points that Breadman and I make is that once you're over that line, you qualify.

[Boomer10]

In any event, perhaps brothel is too harsh a word. I don't want to cross wires in this conversation anyway; let's let it go.

Since this is a German based thread, I was taking about German P6. It was just an added bonus that I got to point out you were wrong.

Aside from that, no-one's "sermonising"; a nice cheap trick to change the subject by presuming we're acting as if it's immoral. I know I've gotten a bit buzzed at PHG one time and was looking for AO, and the girl talked me down on the spot.for €50 I'd have gotten it at Bernds. And then I'd be hungover the next day and worried for the next 3 months.

Praise the Lord, I can see you standing at your pulpit, trying to convince the folks on how you were weak and saved by a fallen angel, pleading with the parishioners to not follow to you into temptation.

It's a public health issue - nothing more. That's why it should be noted that it's AO.

See it anyway you want. When the behavior you're targeting is available everywhere and if you get your wish you will give the impression that one club is safer than another and that's simply not true. If there is a health risk, your line of action makes it worse.

To folks other than Woofiee, I apologize for being snarky. I get irritated when someone assumes he knows more about what's better for me than I. I also get annoyed with censorship. That exactly what is being proposed here. I willingly accept whatever rules Jackson places on the conversation because he pays the bill and I don't. This is his sandbox and I appreciate opportunity and information this provides. I don't want to see censorship when it's not needed and is actually counter productive to the stated goal.

So I have decided to retire from this conversation and will ignore it in the future.

[ButtLover]

Hi!

I visited Bernds last week.

It was my first visit there. The atmosphere was very familiar, and I appreciated the opportunity that you could fuck just about everywhere. I fucked a beautiful woman from Brazil public three times and a girl from Tunisia, I think her name was Inez. Too bad that the club is not open on weekends.

I will definitely return.

BL

[Dreams]

No, if AO is available in these clubs on the selective decision of individual girls that doesn`t make them AO clubs where it is understood that AO is available as it says: from every girl as the usual service and usually included in the price. If you choose to go to an AO club but wish to cover up that is also fine.

A FKK club is exactly that FKK with variable service levels girl by girl and sometimes day by day including in some cases AO usually at an increased cost depending upon the arrangement made- willing seller, willing buyer, an AO club is just that AO. All the time and every time or they better invent a new name like AA. Being AO Almost Always, but not every time.

E.

I Made this comment because some guys are trying to qualify Bernds as an AO club. My point was just to say that if Bernds is called an AO club because some girls provide Ao there, then all other clubs should to.

You actually illustrate my point and I thank you for that!

[Excess]

Should Mainhattan, Oase, Palace etc. Be merged with Ao clubs?

AO is available in those clubs.

No, if AO is available in these clubs on the selective decision of individual girls that doesn`t make them AO clubs where it is understood that AO is available as it says: from every girl as the usual service and usually included in the price. If you choose to go to an AO club but wish to cover up that is also fine.

A FKK club is exactly that FKK with variable service levels girl by girl and sometimes day by day including in some cases AO usually at an increased cost depending upon the arrangement made- willing seller, willing buyer, an AO club is just that AO. All the time and every time or they better invent a new name like AA. Being AO Almost Always, but not every time.

E.

[Dreams]

Shouldn't this be merged with the other AO groups? Or at least marked with an AO tag?

Should Mainhattan, Oase, Palace etc. Be merged with Ao clubs?

AO is available in those clubs.

[Woofiee]

Please clarify for me, which of the FKKs that are in the Germany FKK Clubs Thread are true Freikörperkultur clubs?

To me the main difference between a FKK in this thread and a traditional brothel is the presentation and organization.

FKK: Entry Fee (both men and women) , girls independent (at least appear to be independent) of management, and access to facilities as part of the entry fee.

Brothel: No Entry Fee, girls split service fee with management, and no access to facilities after service is complete.

Where am I wrong?

I believe you're mistaken in your description of the "brothel". There are brothels in Australia, Ukraine, Poland, Mexico, where you pay the house and the house "hosts" the ladies for a fee, and where you can shower and have a beer before and after, if you choose to. The "Appearance of Independence" is also not necessarily fixed; we're never sure of that here, especially with the biker influence to consider.

In any event, perhaps brothel is too harsh a word. I've often read here how Bernds isn't truly a FKK, basically never been an "optik fick" kind of place, but more downtempo and with slightly-older, erm. More experienced ladies. I don't want to cross wires in this conversation anyway; let's let it go.

Aside from that, no-one's "sermonising"; a nice cheap trick to change the subject by presuming we're acting as if it's immoral. Fromt eh amount of time I've spent face-down in strange pussy in German, Netherlands and Thailand, I'd not be one to preach. The point is that AO is, by definition, unsafe sex - and this is something that needs to be considered when it comes to health issues. The risk expands exponentially when there is a common practice for AO in a club (third time's the charm in Bernds; we all know this - it's been that way from the beginning there). GT and PHG (for example) it's not even discussed. I know I've gotten a bit buzzed at PHG one time and was looking for AO, and the girl talked me down on the spot...for €50 I'd have gotten it at Bernds. And then I'd be hungover the next day and worried for the next 3 months.

It's a public health issue - nothing more. That's why it should be noted that it's AO.

[Boomer10]

Breadman in another forum brought up a good point: Bernds has a very-poorly kept secret that AO / condom-free sex is easily available there. In fact, Bernds has always been a bit out of the usual FKK loop: as other have remarked, it more resembles a brothel than a FKK.

Shouldn't this be merged with the other AO groups? Or at least marked with an AO tag?

While others may choose AO, perhaps an equal or greater number would not, and would prefer to know if a club knowingly participates in AO, whether they actively promote it or not. As this is a public health risk, it's surely worth at least discussing.

Did Breadman bring up a good point? Not in my opinion. I think Breadman has some "other" reason for being anti-Bernds, chosen not to share it in public and selected this method to express his "Bernds is bad beliefs". That is his right and I can't / won't speculate on his motivation.

AO is not the policy of the club (I never seen any mention on their website or in any forum posting that the CLUB makes. If I missed any, pm them to me and I may change my view).

The lore that I hear says that AO is available at ANY club.

If you want to sermonize about the evils of AO, have at it. I just think you're naive if you believe a particular club is safer based on your belief that the club is AO free.

[Boomer10]

Breadman in another forum brought up a good point: Bernds has a very-poorly kept secret that AO / condom-free sex is easily available there. In fact, Bernds has always been a bit out of the usual FKK loop: as other have remarked, it more resembles a brothel than a FKK.

Shouldn't this be merged with the other AO groups? Or at least marked with an AO tag?

While others may choose AO, perhaps an equal or greater number would not, and would prefer to know if a club knowingly participates in AO, whether they actively promote it or not. As this is a public health risk, it's surely worth at least discussing.

Please clarify for me, which of the FKKs that are in the Germany FKK Clubs Thread are true Freikörperkultur clubs?

To me the main difference between a FKK in this thread and a traditional brothel is the presentation and organization.

FKK: Entry Fee (both men and women) , girls independent (at least appear to be independent) of management, and access to facilities as part of the entry fee.

Brothel: No Entry Fee, girls split service fee with management, and no access to facilities after service is complete.

Where am I wrong?

[Woofiee]

Breadman in another forum brought up a good point: Bernds has a very-poorly kept secret that AO / condom-free sex is easily available there. In fact, Bernds has always been a bit out of the usual FKK loop: as other have remarked, it more resembles a brothel than a FKK.

Shouldn't this be merged with the other AO groups? Or at least marked with an AO tag?

While others may choose AO, perhaps an equal or greater number would not, and would prefer to know if a club knowingly participates in AO, whether they actively promote it or not. As this is a public health risk, it's surely worth at least discussing.

[Marwar58]

Recent visit. Susan is back in action after her surgery. Nice result (s).

Tina-always a nice session.

Duet with Ana and the Brazilian-quite memorable.

Garden is fixed up with lots of chairs and "couch" action here and there.

Bernd's is steady-a bit boring for English speakers during down times, but room action second to none.

I'll be back.

[ZeevZ]

Hi!

I am going to Berds in a couple of weeks.

What I understand public sex is no problem at all at Berds.

Is it even possible to fuck a girl from behind when she is sitting on a barchair?

Thanks.

BL

Dear ButtLover, all what you ask can be easily found at Bernds. There may eventually be a few girls who will ask you to go to room if the club is very busy, but otherwise you can have whatever you want wherever you prefer, LOL!

[Yakob]

Hi!

I am going to Berds in a couple of weeks.

What I understand public sex is no problem at all at Berds.

Is it even possible to fuck a girl from behind when she is sitting on a barchair?

Thanks.

BL

Hey Buttlover,

All that you ask is correct.

Njoy