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09-29-21 08:55 #27461
Posts: 22248Foods were always free since I discovered Oase on end of June 2014. Only pizzas were not free but became on 2019. On 2015, regular girls started to upsell and level fell except on 2019 when Oase was my best casting seen, but new beauties didn't stay for long. Sharks had only around 40 girls when I discovered on February 2014 and nothing exceptional, more numerous and prettier girls at World until June 2014. Isabella moved from Oase on 2013 to Sharks on beginning of 2014 then World on April until June when she disappeared of Hessen. On 2015 , World started to fall, same for Oase and Sharks started to grow, but not so many World or Oase girls moved to Sharks. Since then, business is at Sharks, long time Oase girls killing upselling their business even few can get good business, but most often empty except taking sun in the garden. When 100 girls at World on Saturdays 2010/2011, around 200 on some Fridays / Saturdays on end of 2016/2017 at Sharks. Less after. After emptying balls, business don't seem so exceptional on September at Sharks, maybe why casting fell, but had really good visits on this Summer with many for 100/60 rooms and never heard about 200. Casting was low on my 2 Oase visits.
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09-29-21 05:05 #27460
Posts: 1742Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Secondly, World started micromanaging the working time of their girls. Many of them then flocked to Sharks The shortage of girls in World then resulted in even tighter schedule controls leading to more departures. With the ever depleting line up, a large number of World customers switched to Sharks as their primary club. There were days with almost 200 girls in Sharks, and with such competition, upselling was not possible.
Some time later Oase went back to unlimited free meals, while World introduced slightly more flexibility for the girls, but the damage had been done, and they could not stop the growth of Sharks. Of course, one cannot foreclose Sharks doing something stupid in the future.
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09-29-21 04:02 #27459
Posts: 2709Hmmmm Not Sure
Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
Guess it's all a scholastic argument anyhow. I'll just keep going and pay what I pay. And others what they pay and then we'll argue about it and fuck some more anyhow. LOL.
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09-29-21 02:32 #27458
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Sharks has benefited from being the only major show in town this past summer with the most girls and thus the most clients. This led to a positive feedback situation where as word got out that Sharks was busy, more girls from other clubs migrated to Sharks, which led to more clients. Add the scarcity of girls currently working and you get the current situation at Sharks.
But on closer inspection, the young "bearded" clients dominate the scene. They are hardly the biggest spenders which leads me to believe that this level of pricing cannot sustain itself. Girls themselves complain that they aren't making any money despite a packed room of men. You can even see girls leaving as the late night crowds arrive. It's not a question of if, but when, many girls explore other venues.
Add that Sharks management openly refuses to cater to the Middle Eastern vibe (not changing the music, not allowing Shisha,) the market is open for other clubs to seize the party crowd looking for a different ambiance. Just before COVID, the clientele in discussion packed Oase, filled the lounge with Shisha, the girls there partied with them, etc. The same scene has not been replicated at Sharks to keep these guys coming indefinitely. The recent good reports of Mainhattan suggests that girls are adapting or perhaps even forced to adapt by the management of other clubs. It's inevitable that the crowds will tire of visiting the same club and will surely explore other venues. If these clubs provide a more catering ambiance where the girls charge more competitive prices, well, we can see a market rebalance.
Now this will rely on a large influx of girls returning to Germany to supply competing clubs, which is possible that we may not ever see.
Point is, I will not judge the future of the FKK scene and the pricing structure based on current market conditions. Too much is in flux and from what I've noticed, both Germans and Romanians are slow to adapt. Point is, it's a bit too early to make declarations that what we are observing in Hessen will be the situation 6 months from now. Hell, it's possible that an Alpha Zulu variant can come along and shut the whole damn thing down again and we're back at square one.
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09-28-21 22:01 #27457
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
As many have noted Sylvana is busier than half of the WGs at Sharks, but I think most would agree she is not in the top 50 percent of optics, unless one just has a GILF fetish. Optics may be everything to us. Not necessarily true for the casual mongers.
Most mongers do zero research and are not plugged into the hardcore monger newscycle. They tag along to the FKK club because it is a boys night out. Many casual mongers will just attend whatever club they are accustomed to based on intel they received two years ago, unaware that another club recently got a busload of fresh new beauties from Romania. Or another club currently has more favorable pricing. Whereas hardcore mongers will read a report on Thursday night about a "20 year old German top optic" debuting at a club and then drive 200-500 km and be in attendance Friday night.
Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
Again, a lot of these young bearded guys I would guess have a social life. They are not middle-aged bachelors who spend all day reading sex forums. These guys are not aware that market conditions have improved at Mainhattan (based on recent reports from two mongers). They may not even be aware that there exists a club on the east end of Frankfurt called Mainhattan (because Mainhattan does not have Sharks' advertising budget). Hardcore mongers read the forum everyday and monitor developments in real-time. So yes, it is quite possible that many hardcore optics-oriented mongers gravitate to Sharks for the reasons you stated: the best optics of fall 2021. But the casual mongers that are currently gravitating to Sharks? It is quite possible that Sharks captures their business based on the brand name and reputation that they established in 2016-2017 as the premier mongering destination in Hessen.
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09-28-21 21:24 #27456
Posts: 6420Me three!
Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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09-28-21 21:08 #27455
Posts: 1159Originally Posted by Mathias037 [View Original Post]
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09-28-21 17:10 #27454
Posts: 270I would like to be able to walk out early and pay a cheaper standard price. Do people do that? I remember reading someone has done that. Usually, I am reminding myself of what I agreed upfront.
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09-28-21 16:52 #27453
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]
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09-28-21 16:51 #27452
Posts: 6420Price Tags
Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]
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09-28-21 16:07 #27451
Posts: 2709Some Great Points!
Originally Posted by Mathias037 [View Original Post]
You are right that having different clubs accomplishes this to some extent. We all know Globe is premium. And it looks like Scandallo on the CDS is headed that way. And perhaps Sharks to some extent as well and thus the consternation.
The wrist bands would be so great. Don't have the coin for the black belt? Take the yellow belt instead. No guessing. No negotiation. Would be great to have a "price" wristband on one arm and a "performance" wrist band on the other arm. You can now decide based off her looks, price, and performance at a glance. Guessing I'm just dreaming but that sounds perfect.
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09-28-21 16:03 #27450
Posts: 22248Originally Posted by PayForIt [View Original Post]
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09-28-21 16:01 #27449
Posts: 1492Of course it is ok to pay more for a Mercedes then for a Dacia (is it coincidence it is from Romania? 😎, and with material goods it is also ok to do some negotation, both on the Merc as on the Dacia!
However, FKK tries to sell us an physical / emotional illusion, and negotiation of a price is not part of that illusion (it even takes it away, at least for me). The fact that you sit next to a beautiful girl, kiss her, go to have sex, and only AFTER all of that, you pay her (the standard, non-negotiated price), is much better for the illusion then first hassling about price (or even worse: pay in advance), etc.
Some DFK pre-sales in the bar is certainly also part of that illusion (happens rarely anymore in the tourist clubs, happily still done in the real service clubs). In some clubs (Babylon, Bernds, etc), you did NOT pay the girls directly, but at the end of the day to the club, so no direct financial transaction between you and the girls, that made the illusion even stronger! Pity that is not possibly anymore (because of legal reasons).
A system where girls wear colored armwrests, with indicates the included standard service (DFK, BBBJ, etc) and the price level, would be a good idea. Then you can sit next to a girl with the right color for you and go for it! Especially if the girls with lower colored service try to improve (to earn more) or leave!
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09-28-21 15:19 #27448
Posts: 57Pricing system
Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]
Now consider a FKK sauna club as a place of relaxation, pure enjoy and carelessness. One of the first things we don't want in such a place is to negotiate for a price. The best times in our clubs was in early 2000, when Polish girls mostly prevailed. Then Romanians came, and the fixed price structure started to break down. Nov, after Covid, it is even worse.
So, how do you think to make your system work? One solution could be to have more categories of clubs, which is in fact already in place. So Sharks, Oase and Palace would be Group A (180 EUR / hour), Artemis, Living Rooms, Goldentime Group be (120 EUR / hour) and some clubs in Offenbach or elsewhere Group see (80/ hour).
The second approach could be girls wearing colored bracelets. Top girls black, medium yellow and the cheapest green. Let's call it Jamaika scheme.
Any other ideas?
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09-28-21 14:44 #27447
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]
Resisting the change, a 150% to 200% change, especially those being touted by foreigners in another man's land would be perfectly expected and warranted.