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10-04-21 10:45 #27472
Posts: 22243Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]
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10-04-21 08:45 #27471
Posts: 1492Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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10-04-21 00:23 #27470
Posts: 1159Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]
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10-03-21 15:41 #27469
Posts: 5652Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
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10-02-21 07:06 #27468
Posts: 22243Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]
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10-01-21 15:16 #27467
Posts: 5652Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
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09-30-21 17:18 #27466
Posts: 22243Ester was not anymore busy on Sharks reopening, even plenty full painful balls. She was at Sharks since IAA 2015.
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09-30-21 13:31 #27465
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Why should one pay private prices for a common property / general use experience? Furthermore, in the clubs, the girls are provided safety and a social atmosphere for some semblance of mental health. In privates, they are working in solitude and risk meeting a dangerous / violent client. The higher rates would help assuage the threat to personal safety such as a client taking their money while still sexually having their way with them (actual realities of the girls working hotel rooms and privates).
So fuck that. I'm not a Cheap Charlie, but I sure as hell am not a fan of not getting a good deal.
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09-29-21 22:12 #27464
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Mursenary [View Original Post]
I know I am doing less rooms at Sharks. In 2014, I was consistently doing 3-4 rooms every visit. By 2018-2019, I was doing 1-2 rooms. My net worth and income increased, yet my total spend was cut in half. Point is when I see value, I spend more. When I don't, I buy only what I need (1-2 pops).
Returning back to the present: even if mongers are rooming less, just the fact that the club is full, offers the WGs hope, and it gives them the confidence to stick to their 150 per 60 min pricing. When you offer legacy pricing of 100 for 60 minutes or 200 for 120 minutes, she could brush you off (especially if you are not the type who logs 80 visits per year or she does not recognize you as someone who has exhibited whale behavior with other WG). Because all she sees is a club full of men, and the possibility that she can catch a bigger fish than you. These WGs are eternally optimistic, just watch how many get addicted to gambling on those slot machines: she's convinced that she will hit the jackpot today, but she won't be able to catch her whale if she lets you occupy her time!
Originally Posted by Mursenary [View Original Post]
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09-29-21 21:53 #27463
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by TankTank123 [View Original Post]
All the WGs I went with at Sharks were from smaller regional clubs or fresh-off the bus. The WGs who had large followings were Sandra, Roxana, and I think Mandy came 1-2 years later. I never went with them, but to my knowledge, Sharks was their first Hessen big-five club. Had they been refugees from another club, any one of them could bring 50+ customers with them. Off-topic but, I remember a time when Roxana barely knew English, so that was definitely the period before the English-speaking tourists arrived.
Oase management gave WGs carte blanche to shark with impunity. Surely that extra 200 EUR of earnings per day offsets paying for wifi and a dinner? I believe I soured on Oase around 2014 or earlier. During 2015 and 2016, I may have only attended Oase 1-2 times a year. And the last time I set foot in Oase was definitely before the 2017 laws. The crowds continued and the sharking intensified, even after I stopped attending, based on what I heard and read.
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09-29-21 11:37 #27462
Posts: 6420Presentation
Originally Posted by Steve9696 [View Original Post]
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09-29-21 08:55 #27461
Posts: 22243Foods were always free since I discovered Oase on end of June 2014. Only pizzas were not free but became on 2019. On 2015, regular girls started to upsell and level fell except on 2019 when Oase was my best casting seen, but new beauties didn't stay for long. Sharks had only around 40 girls when I discovered on February 2014 and nothing exceptional, more numerous and prettier girls at World until June 2014. Isabella moved from Oase on 2013 to Sharks on beginning of 2014 then World on April until June when she disappeared of Hessen. On 2015 , World started to fall, same for Oase and Sharks started to grow, but not so many World or Oase girls moved to Sharks. Since then, business is at Sharks, long time Oase girls killing upselling their business even few can get good business, but most often empty except taking sun in the garden. When 100 girls at World on Saturdays 2010/2011, around 200 on some Fridays / Saturdays on end of 2016/2017 at Sharks. Less after. After emptying balls, business don't seem so exceptional on September at Sharks, maybe why casting fell, but had really good visits on this Summer with many for 100/60 rooms and never heard about 200. Casting was low on my 2 Oase visits.
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09-29-21 05:05 #27460
Posts: 1742Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Secondly, World started micromanaging the working time of their girls. Many of them then flocked to Sharks The shortage of girls in World then resulted in even tighter schedule controls leading to more departures. With the ever depleting line up, a large number of World customers switched to Sharks as their primary club. There were days with almost 200 girls in Sharks, and with such competition, upselling was not possible.
Some time later Oase went back to unlimited free meals, while World introduced slightly more flexibility for the girls, but the damage had been done, and they could not stop the growth of Sharks. Of course, one cannot foreclose Sharks doing something stupid in the future.
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09-29-21 04:02 #27459
Posts: 2706Hmmmm Not Sure
Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]
Guess it's all a scholastic argument anyhow. I'll just keep going and pay what I pay. And others what they pay and then we'll argue about it and fuck some more anyhow. LOL.
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09-29-21 02:32 #27458
Posts: 2344Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
Sharks has benefited from being the only major show in town this past summer with the most girls and thus the most clients. This led to a positive feedback situation where as word got out that Sharks was busy, more girls from other clubs migrated to Sharks, which led to more clients. Add the scarcity of girls currently working and you get the current situation at Sharks.
But on closer inspection, the young "bearded" clients dominate the scene. They are hardly the biggest spenders which leads me to believe that this level of pricing cannot sustain itself. Girls themselves complain that they aren't making any money despite a packed room of men. You can even see girls leaving as the late night crowds arrive. It's not a question of if, but when, many girls explore other venues.
Add that Sharks management openly refuses to cater to the Middle Eastern vibe (not changing the music, not allowing Shisha,) the market is open for other clubs to seize the party crowd looking for a different ambiance. Just before COVID, the clientele in discussion packed Oase, filled the lounge with Shisha, the girls there partied with them, etc. The same scene has not been replicated at Sharks to keep these guys coming indefinitely. The recent good reports of Mainhattan suggests that girls are adapting or perhaps even forced to adapt by the management of other clubs. It's inevitable that the crowds will tire of visiting the same club and will surely explore other venues. If these clubs provide a more catering ambiance where the girls charge more competitive prices, well, we can see a market rebalance.
Now this will rely on a large influx of girls returning to Germany to supply competing clubs, which is possible that we may not ever see.
Point is, I will not judge the future of the FKK scene and the pricing structure based on current market conditions. Too much is in flux and from what I've noticed, both Germans and Romanians are slow to adapt. Point is, it's a bit too early to make declarations that what we are observing in Hessen will be the situation 6 months from now. Hell, it's possible that an Alpha Zulu variant can come along and shut the whole damn thing down again and we're back at square one.