FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Matteo 77]

lets talk about girl !!!!

I'm a usual customer of world, this time i tried Oase....

at midnight of last sun 14 aug, i was there , happy to see a lot of others italians old friend , you know is holidays period in italy now !!!

I had 3 session first with Mona romanian , black hair, slim , green eyes, def my tipe , i would give her a 7++, we starded in the KINO, everything seems to start in the kino @ oase !!!! , good BBBJ , 69, DATY, and we finished doggy.


Then i had 2 sessions with the same girl I really cant remember her name, but she is romanian too,she was blond not really slim so not my tipe i would give her a 6-, but guys when she sucks... you'll lose your mind.... and when she puts her tongue in your asshole, you buy her the apartment next to yours.....

i shoul go back to FRank next monday... so maybe i will go back again

[Tony70]

I guess its a case of "What you don't know doesn't hurt you". If you don't know or put a thought on organised crime playing a part in these clubs, then its not a problem. Do the HA run Planet Happy Garden? I have never scenes a group of biker looking guys there ever. Or even ther faint suggestion of pimps inside PHG. I guess we all look the same as polar bears in bathrobes.....

[CBGBConnisur]

PHG is run by organized crime, I am certain about that. World is run by the Hell's Angels. I know the owner of Atlantis was involved in [CodeWord908], tax evasion, and in possession of cocaine. That's how his entire club went down permanently. I met the owner of Babylon, kind of reminded me of a cross between Einstein and Gandhi.

[Tony70]

Thank you Euro 100,

Are the HA involved in running Planet Happy Garden or Goldentime?

[Euro100]

HA = Hell's Angels
Formerly a rough motorcycle gang.
Probably running FKKW, but definitely not Oase.

[Tony70]

For Peter

"The reason I do not like the number of Romanians is that it reeks of a trafficking operation by HA. Many german girls won't work there because of the HA, and the tendency of many members to seek to pimp girls (not in this club, but in general) and they want nothing to do with any HA whatsoever"


Hello Peter,
What is HA? Have you found that there are guys actively trying to recruit and pimp girls in the clubs like Goldentime and Planet Happy Garden? On Dutch website recently, there was a claim that a girl at Goldentime was pimped and a huge debate blew up about sex trafficking and pimping. Discussing these issues opens up a can of worms and and on occassion brings up moral issues, i.e what would you do if you knew a girl was being forced to work in an FKK club....

On a different note, many thanks for sharing your German experiences and thoughts with us. You seem to have the "inside track" and get on well with the ladies and club owners!

All the best Tony70

[CBGBConnisur]

I beat the living crap out of a German pimp a few days ago around Koln, I have discovered that German guys are largely very feminine, especially compared to Russian and Australian dudes who who I am more accustomed to dealing with in New York and Sydney. The Arnold Schwarzenegger stereotype of German men is bullshit, girlie men is the more appropriate term.

[Routard]

I agree in a way with Peter. I'm also sensitive about what's happening "behind the scene". I feel unconfortable hobbying when it becomes obvious that girls are exploited and forced to do it, or if they have no other economical choice like in Third World countries. At first view, the FKK scene seems to be one of the "cleanest" scene in the world, as it is fully legal, secured and in a wealthy country. FKK girls seem not to be drug addicted, have mostly very interesting personality and seem to enjoy their work.

Well, this may be true sometimes, but not always when you get to know better the girls. The Eastern European girls seem to be more likely to have pimps than the German. The bigger clubs in Frankfurt seem to be more controlled by pimps than the smaller ones or the ones in the NRW area. A FKK girl told me that they are even inside the club, as regular customers. They are either German or from Eastern Europe, wearing golden chains, and try to catch the girls who have not yet a pimp. It happened to me several times that a girl in an FKK asked to me if she could stay with me only for company till closing time. Friendship, tired of working or need for protection?

No idea also if there is a direct link with the managers of the clubs. Probably not, but they must know each other and have some kind of agreement.

I know all this is a sensitive issue. I tried to know some more about it when a girl asked me advice if it was safe enough to go to work in an FKK. Do some of you have a clearer idea about how things are going on?

[Peter]

Novize,

If I knew that about Sylt, I would have stopped there on my way down to Austria. It was the first club I ever went to and still holds a special place in my heart.

To the others,

I know the line up can change, which is why I say "Now". But Oase has stayed particularly consistent across the 15 or so visits I had. I had a feeling I was going to meet Mascha again, but it sadly did not happen. It was Bea that I was to meet again, but that is more friendly and we rarely go to a room.

The reason I do not like the number of Romanians is that it reeks of a trafficking operation by HA. Many german girls won't work there because of the HA, and the tendency of many members to seek to pimp girls (not in this club, but in general) and they want nothing to do with any HA whatsoever. This leaves them with not so many local girls working there, and product needs to be there.

I know all clubs actively recruit in areas. Some of my favourite club owners from the NRW area have faned out to Lithuania and Sao Paolo Brazil to find some new talent. There are ways of getting talent that I don't object to, and ones I am scared of. The high propensity of girls from a country heavily underrepresented at other clubs makes me worry if that border has been crossed.

That is all

[Novize]

since August DFK and BBBJ are not charged extra anymore at Sylt. They adjusted their prices to the Colosseum and Rhine-Main-area pricing structure.

Have fun,

Novize

[CBGBConnisur]

The pricing structure of most NRW area clubs is similar to Frankfurt, 50EUR is the average rate for a half hour which includes kissing, bbbj, and sex. The only area where it deviates is in Bavaria, at FKK Sylt, bbbj is not standard and is an extra 50 EUR. If you want more time at most NRW clubs you will simply pay double, except at PHG or Goldentime where its 75EUR for an hour( I couldn't get a crack wh*ore in New York for that much money back in the day). At Babylon and Wiago, the first session is 80EUR and the second is 65EUR, if you want double time, you pay 145EUR total. Some Babylon women, Leila in particular offer CIM and a few other things for extra cash. Germany is dirt cheap for this kind of hobby, a good club near my home costs about 200EUR for the same kind of service at a club in Germany(half hour of sex with bbbj and french kissing). Then again most German clubs with the exception of World and few others tend to be very low overhead, they are simply residential homes used as brothels. One club near my home has a glass floor with an aquarium full of exotic fish including maneating sharks, it reminded me of a James Bond film. So while your fucking you can see the sharks underneath you. BTW the next 007 is an Australian.

[Iseeu]

Good description. I like Oase's rawness, the excitement in the air, the sex dripping off the chintsy walls and upholstery, the in-your- face sexuality, the sex in the sauna, jacuzzi, bar, kino, wherever. It doesn't have the swankiest facilities, or most ideal location, or better food, but this club just consistently gets it right. And even with downturns now and then, the sp lineup is more or less consistent, no surprises. Basic law of economics - barring other conditions, if there is a decent business model, which doesn't change, and the demand curve stays the same, maintaining a standard level of product is good for business.

FFM pricing vs. NRW pricing - I don't find this to be an issue, maybe I'm not as price sensitive, once I get to an FKK. Yes the 50 Eur upgrade is double the 25 Eur upgrade, but I doubt if most sessions go the extra yard. The opposite side of the coin is that some sp in NRW clubs, try to keep the sessions to the basic time since the additional time in the room "costs" them, as they could theoretically be in a new 1/2 hour session and making 50 Eur. And at the FFM clubs there's usually a greater variety of things to do during "down" time.

[Optimist]

Just to add a perspective. In my opinion and limited experience...

My last visit to Oase was early morning followed by a quick drive (under 30 minutes) to World. Preference between clubs is a matter of personal taste and the atmosphere on the day.

The big differences are that the Oase atmosphere is more relaxed - you are not always exposed to the eyes of forty girls like you are in the main room at World. But it is easier to relax at World as there are places to chill out. Oase also has a wider range of girls - more plastic tits, wider ethnic mix - but World has a wider age range. It all depends who takes your fancy. The wider experience of the girls at Oase and the cosier atmospher is I think why there is much more public sex at Oase. At World many of the girls are young and consider anything other than going to a room for the most conventional of sex to be a perversion

The Rumanian thing at World is often overstated. There is still a wide ethnic mix. And yes, the high turnover does lead to some sharp practice (recently I read of a complaint about Karina for providing poor service and then demanding a tip!). Whereas at Oase there seems (to me) to be also occasiona really bad service from a hardened worker. Oase does not seem to take complaints as seriously as World.

Ortos - Magda "a rotten young scoundrel" - is that affectionate.? I found her to be fine - but with a penchant for choosing muscled young American visitors (which excludes me)

Conclusion - like Dedalus and Ortos say - you pay your money and take your own choice. If I were in Germany now I would be exercising my investigative powers.

[Ortos]

Peter, Dedalus and anyone else tuned in here:

This is a most interesting discussion.

Reading Peter's comments about Oase, esp. how you haven't been there in about a year or so and suddenly finding it so, so good --maybe top club in Deutschland-- and then finding Palace so lacking...All this made me think: You know, these 3 clubs in Frankfurt area can ebb and flow just like the tides. Each club can wax and wane like the moon. It really depends on timing. I say this because when I land in Frankfurt for a multi-day FKK binge, I always make a point to visit all three clubs in quick succession, sometimes over two days, just to get a quick assessment of the line-ups at each club before I decide to "nest" into one club or another.

I've found over the past two years that I more often than not begin with Oase and end up there again and again. It is my old standby club and the one I first visited. But at other times I have had great, great times and have encountered exceptional line-ups at both World and Palace.

One should not put too much weight to the current decline of Palace. This club is not a summer club and visiting Palace is in August is like trying to ski at Aspen in May. Go back to Palace during the cooler months and you will perhaps be treated to the best lineup in DE.

This Romanian thing at World: Well all of us who know and Love World would agree that the field there is Romanian dominated. But I personally feel the critism leveled at World about this is over-stated and not valid. Yes there are more Romanian girls at World than any other nationality. So what? Yes there are cliques there, but so are there everywhere. But there are completely different types within the Romanian cadre: Top, top-notch erotic experiences like with Daniella and Ramona, to rotten young scoundrels like Magda and Alexandra to many many other types. My point: At the end of the day, when I am in any of the clubs I judge the girls I encounter and scrutinize for possible session material as Individuals not members of a certain ethnic group. If you go to a club like World and swim in a sea of Romanian girls, you have to know how to pick the right fish. It doesn't so much matter whether 4 or 5 girls out of 10 might be from Romania, but more important is the individual look, persona and performance characteristics irrespective of her passport.

Ortos

[Niky99]

Hello,

I will be in Frankfurt from 19-22 August and I plan to visit Oase.

It's my first time to Oase (I've only been to Palace once, in April ) and would like to meet with other mongers if possible. I also plan to visit World durring my stay.
I will have a car rented so I can also assure transportation from Frankfurt.

Contact me on private.

Niky