FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Optimist]

Marquis, thanks. I would love to have seen your dialogue with this girl (Soraya) (should you have met her), which I am sure would have been a lot more entertaining than mine.

[MarquisdeSade1]

i hope to do a report on the two girls i went with when i get time, but i was completely gobsmacked by the way girls tried to sell their services.

I wish i had been better prepared (although i am not sure how).

Once a girl got my interest the conversation generally went as follows (this is a script of the longest conversation as best i remember).

Girl; what do you like to do in the room?

Me: (thinking it was a polite enquiry to get to know me) said that it all depended on how i got on with the girl, whether she liked me as a customer, and what she liked..

Pure fucking gold!

[Optimist]

Agree 100 percent.

Reading your report on Michelle at world, it seemed she showed goodwill towards you. She performed well with no guarantees of anything more than a 50. At Oase, their definition of goodwill is different. Their expectations are different.

That is true. I have my doubts whether anything I promised my Oase Robot Queen would have got me goodwill, but as I didn't offer more than 50 I will never know LOL. My gut feeling was that she could never be worth even 50.

I will do a bit more detail about the two rooms I did.

Cheers.

[McAdonis]

I know perfectly well how to establish goodwill. And it doesn't involve giving a salesperson whatever they ask.

Agreeing to 100 in advance is not right for me.

Agree 100 percent.

Reading your report on Michelle at world, it seemed she showed goodwill towards you. She performed well with no guarantees of anything more than a 50. At Oase, their definition of goodwill is different. Their expectations are different.

[Uppstate Mann]

Upstate Mann. Yes of course there is collusion. The romanian girls have always been good at enforcing peer established norms (of course, I generalise). Oase itself supports this pricing structure at the Front Desk.

You say you are baffled by these "complaints". I am not sure why. You explain that you come from somewhere where you get nothing much good for 50 euros, so you are importing those values.

Being a high spender is not relevant to the point being made. For example, I have frequently paid a couple of thousand to or so to whoever is my current favourite, but this is not relevant. My turn off is that I do not want a menu all agreed up front as you like to do. I look for a personal interaction which develops its own course, rather than picking standard dishes from a set menu. A mercenary attitude by a girl seems to me to be the same as going with an ugly girl is for you.

I hope this helps explain.

Cheers.

Upstate. I just reread my post and realise it comes across a bit strident. Apologies for that. It was meant to be a polite reply.

Cheers.

Optimist, no worries. You make some fair points. I could have phrased things better. For instance, the menu is always open with my favorite girl. Of course each encounter takes us to different places. There is personal interaction. But if something occurs outside of the main course I know exactly what that will cost me. It took some time to establish that trust. I will miss this one when she is gone. Someday I will be back in the pool with the sharks. I can't imagine being charged extra for something like DFK or DATY.

Very true that I am importing my value system. To me the top girls in these clubs are worth much more than 100 Euros an hour. I am thankful for such pricing. I suppose others see this as a price hike on the bargain they have long received. I remember when I first found Oase and bounced from girl to girl in much shorter sessions, 50 Euros at a time. Now I prefer long GFE's.

Cheers.

[Optimist]

I hope to do a report on the two girls I went with when I get time, but I was completely gobsmacked by the way girls tried to sell their services.

I wish I had been better prepared (although I am not sure how).

Once a girl got my interest the conversation generally went as follows (this is a script of the longest conversation as best I remember).

Girl; What do you like to do in the room?

Me: (thinking it was a polite enquiry to get to know me) said that it all depended on how I got on with the girl, whether she liked me as a customer, and what she liked.

Girl: What do you like to do in the room?. Tell me.

Me: (fumbling with words) It depends. I just see how we get on and what we feel like doing.

Girl: What do you like to do in the room? You have to tell me.

Me (realising that using the same language does not guarantee understanding). What do you mean? I have tried to answer. Can you explain?

Girl: You must tell me so that I know

Me (different tack): What do you do in the room. Do you kiss?

Girl; for 50 you get blowjob and fuck, you pay extra for kissing, extra for licking, extra for anal. You tell me how long you go to room for. So you tell me so I can do what you are paying for.

Me: Fucking and sucking is boring. I can do that with any girl. Why should I do it with you? If I like a girl I stay a long time in the room and repeat. I have been coming to clubs a long time.

Girl: (seemingly not understanding). But all the girls here ask the same questions. You need to tell me.

Me: (getting the feeling that the girl is working to a prepared script jointly agreed by most girls in the club): I decide what I do in the room depending on whether the girl is any good for me.

Girl: But we are here for money, you can do what you want, but you must pay for everything extra.

Me; If I have to agree to that, then I spend much much less money.

Girl: But the girls come here for money.

Me: (realising there is no comunication) Yes of course I know that, but surely girls have their likes and dislikes, and if they give good service then they will earn more money as they get repeat customers.

Girl: That is not what happens. You must tell me what you want to pay for.

Me; I find this difficult as I have never been asked this before. I have been in clubs since 2002 and this way of working is new to me. I am a litle confused.

Girl; No, it is always like I say.

Me: (At this point I decide words are failing, she has a pretty face, and this conversation is intriguing) okay We go to room and see. I pay 50 euros. If it goes well I stay longer.

In the room she still did not let her guard down, even when.

Me: okay We can do what you like for half hour. Sleep, talk, nothing.

Girl: I want lots of money, I want to do everything so I get lots of money.

Anyway. She got 50 euros. I decided that a sex robot might have been more responsive. And I continued to be propositioned in similar tems.

What I write is meant just for information / entertainment. And remember I was in effect a complete newbie at Oase (knowing only two girls there). I am sure that members who have got their feet under the table like Ortos and UltraHappy know the girls who do not follow this script. I asked one girl if all the girls went to a special school to learn the script it was so similar. She chose not to respond, but it seems to me that they are schooled by somebody.

My personal view is that it shows a lack of respect for themselves and their customers. Just my view.

And this is not a report to slag off Oase. It is just something I would have found helpful to have read if somebody else had written it before my visit. I like the buzz, the much improved facilities, the helpfulness of reception, the heavily made up girls, the wow factor of some of thegirls and the public sex (a rarity nowadays). I even got a session in the garden which included some quite remarkable services.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Are you sure this is not a direct quote from Donald (Duck) Trump during his "secret 1 on 1 meeting" with Putin in Helsinki? LOL.

What in the world is wrong with him? I really wish there was a way Congress or Customs and Immigration could stuff Trump and not allow entry in to the United States by Putin.

Probably one of the best things I've read on this forum in a long time!

I will take that as a complement although I don't know about the best, lots of good guys here with great advise and opinions around much longer than myself although I've been around elsewhere 28 years prior. I think it took me till age 30-40 ( somewhere in there) to realize that the ability to walk is the single most powerful tool we have in the shed to counteract greed or a deal we do not like. Grab another, sometimes grabbing her friend or foe really sends a message to them IMO.

[Ortos]

I happen to be old school and always found that learning from those my senior and observing and listening to the locals in any market I go to will yield the best results in my own experiences. I sure have learned a lot from you so if you feel your marbles are lost, missing, defective or not functioning properly please send them to Day Care for me and I will implant them in my head there. My training wheels stopped working, I am too old!

Are you sure this is not a direct quote from Donald (Duck) Trump during his "secret 1 on 1 meeting" with Putin in Helsinki? LOL.

[Ortos]

I do not care how many of those things are swimming around pressuring me inside, if a deal isn't good I walk period! If one needs a low level of sperm to be able to say ' no' it is kind of like riding a bike with training wheels. One should be able to ride that bike at all times with no aid from training wheels or biological depletion of DNA.

Probably one of the best things I've read on this forum in a long time!

[Kosher Kowboy]

KK. You do me too much credit. I doubt I ever had my marbles.

Each to his own game, with or without marbles.

Senior mongers are almost by definition marbleless lol

I happen to be old school and always found that learning from those my senior and observing and listening to the locals in any market I go to will yield the best results in my own experiences. I sure have learned a lot from you so if you feel your marbles are lost, missing, defective or not functioning properly please send them to Day Care for me and I will implant them in my head there. My training wheels stopped working, I am too old!

And will you please call that devious Queen of yours and get her back in the Lineup, with Jessy headed on holiday your Queen's character and charisma is much needed to make that atmosphere what it should be. Too many guys reporting shit service and attitudes now at Day Care, they must have all gone on the rag the same week it looks like.

[Optimist]

KK. You do me too much credit. I doubt I ever had my marbles.

Each to his own game, with or without marbles.

Senior mongers are almost by definition marbleless lol

[Pistons]

As such, I think this inverse relationship between looks and service is tough to ascertain. If I never take someone with looks below 7, I can't really vouch that a 5 would give better service than my 7 or 9. I just would n't know.

Does a 7 on looks *always* give a better service than a 9 on looks? I don't think so. There are plenty of 8's and 9's who gave better service than 7's -- and vice versa.

It is like claiming someone who is less smart in your workplace is necessarily a more hard working person, because he has to compensate his lack of smarts with better work ethic. That is not always true. Neither is the looks to service inverse relationship in clubs.

Yes, thankfully it is not always true. I have even heard of optical 5's who did horrible service, while at the same club a 9 was fantastic. But with a short few, being pretty serves as a cushion of being a bit more reserved. They are a minority at least, but I know one or two without mentioning names. At the same time, there might be angry looking girls who have lower optics and are more reserved in the room due to being angry.

But if anyone feels like making a macro study on this, please do.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Isn't KK's strategy to empty his balls at daycare prior to going to mainstream club to swim with sharks? Being sperm depleted makes it easier for me to walk away from deals I don't like at least.

I rarely do two clubs in a day but a few times I have gone to Day Care early and than gone to Sharks or Mainhatten. Or the reverse. As I have gotten to know and befriend many of the Germans we often see each other in mainstream club, I stole that plan out of the the locals playbook. In fact I like to steal from others playbooks sometimes. As Optimist said my gameplan he references is not the above but I did with the help of Russian hackers got in to your computer to read your playbook as there is one play I may plan to steal, or simply borrow if the situation and environment are both there so I can be best prepared.

As for walking away from deals I don't like, I have no problem with that lol

Neither do I and level of sperm is irrelevant. I do not care how many of those things are swimming around pressuring me inside, if a deal isn't good I walk period! If one needs a low level of sperm to be able to say ' no' it is kind of like riding a bike with training wheels. One should be able to ride that bike at all times with no aid from training wheels or biological depletion of DNA. McAdonis, I give you more credit than you stated for yourself, I think you could by now walk from a deal regardless of your level of sperm, just ' get up and say no thank you'; pretty easy. That play is out of my playbook and free of charge since I stole a play from you!

IMO.

However, what floats one guys boat may not another, as long as we all have fun. I hate to say it Optimist but you are just a senior monger who has lost his marbles and I am simply an over the hill middle aged loser, We have no clue what we are doing!

[Optimist]

Sorry. "Self mocking" not self made. I really must watch predictive text.

[Optimist]

Isn't KK's strategy to empty his balls at daycare prior to going to mainstream club to swim with sharks? Being sperm depleted makes it easier for me to walk away from deals I don't like at least.

They expect Goodwill from customer. Agreeing to a 100+ EUR session ahead of time for a WG you just met. That or establish enough social proof as someone the WGs know consistently spends well.

I know perfectly well how to establish goodwill. And it doesn't involve giving a salesperson whatever they ask.

Sorry if my mild ironic self made going at the beginning of my quoted texted a bit ohscure

I just did a report on how it went on an occasion when the normal methods are not available.

Agreeing to 100 in advance is not right for me. I follow UltraHappys approach: I make my mind up as the session progresses.

As for KK I think you need to read the post I referenced. You are incorrect about what he says in that post

As for walking away from deals I don't like, I have no problem with that lol