FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Optimist]

I think that if a person is legally a woman then we have to accept that she has the right to work at an FKK. And if she thinks of herself as a woman then she will sell herself as one.

What is important is that we should all know how to recognise a post-op so that any of us who wish to avoid her can do so - as I said before a girl without a proper clitoris or vagina may not be acceptable for many members. So - look for the Adam's apple, muscles or sinewy arms, a man shaped ass, and a strange looking vagina.

I would not label them as deviants just because they don't conform to our ideas. Technically they are deviating fron the norm of this forum but that is all. After all many people would call all the members of this forum deviants or perverts!!

[Routard]

i understand that it is confusing for some of you reading that there might be post op in fkk. those kind of discussions have been in other places also, like prisons or hospitals, wheter tv, ts, pre op or post op should be with the men or the women (just imagine for example [CodeWord123] problems in prison).

i can confirm that this is not only at oase, i have noticed at least 2 post op in goldentime. there is maybe at every top club at least one post op, wether management try to prevent this or not, as they are legally women.
those who seem to discover this fact for the first time now have probably been allready trapped before without noticing anything, like a lot of other mongerers in other places. sorry to say this, as it may sound quite confusing for some. i remember a friend who hardly knew what was a tv, being very confused and believing he was gay when we told him he had just received a bj from a tv.

personaly, a tall and heavy build girl is for me a no-go girl, even for free and a hilton suite. that's probably why i notice easily the post op. and if a feminine girl like ramona appears to be in fact a post op...it won't make any difference to me!

regarding jackson's policy about tv, i agree with him, as he want this board clearly to stay heterosexual. during our discussion here, no one promoted sex with tv, we are all clearly heterosexual.

[Polar]

Well, I had to pop by Oase again on Monday. Felt rather strange to go there before 11 am. I was afraid to be the only male visitor, and mayby look too much like the guy waiting for the liquer store to open.

There were 4 cars on the parking besides mine, so it would obviously not be overcrowded. Entered and down to get undressed.

Due to my opinion the number of girls were fairly good already at this time of the day. Maybe 15-20 girls were visible and 5 - 6 men. In the bar I met Cissi from yesterday. 2 seconds later I had her in my knee with a big kiss on the mouth. We went to one of the sofas and contined to try to communicate in german. It didn't take long before it was a replay of the day before. Me almost fucking her sitting in my knee. At this time of the day you are very much alone doing this in the big open area, so off to a private room. She chose a nice room, large enough for at least two couples.

This time we stayed one hour. The Tao principle works, and it was one great hour of continous sex. I think she was rather satisfied when the hour had passed. Satisfied sexually I don't know, it's often hard to tell whats fake and whats real when you don't know the woman closer. We had a nice shower together and then I left her in the bar. This girl has a real GFE attitude all the way through.

Time for breakfast/lunch. It could absolutely be improved. As already said, I have not been to any other FKK yet, but what they offered at Oase was slightly below cheapest hotel standard, and that is not much.

The time had past 1 pm and I had to leave for the airport pretty soon. It didn't take long before I had my friend Cissi as company for the food. Most of the girls took something, and I guess she had realised that with the limited number of male visitors, why don't stick to the one still on hunt.

Maybe this is typical for a new visitor, but believe it or not, after the food I went of with the same girl to have some coffee in a sofa. Should I have looked for another one? I was very satisfied with her company, so why not. This time however the sofa was placed in the kino. One thing gives the other, and after 15 minutes we were fucking furiously on the sofa. What the hell, I don't know anyone in this place. 30 minutes later there was not place for Tao any more. 3 hours collection had to come out. I filled the condom and after a short rest we placed the furnitures back again where they should stand. They had moved around during the activity. Once again a shower together. I then had to get dressed and unfortunately leave the place.

A real GFE godbuy in the bar before I left. This two first days in the world of FKK had given much more than I ever could have dreamt. I have since long planned to travel back to Frankfurt and visit the Car fair IAA 2005. I wonder if it will be any cars at all, or if I stay at Oase. But OK, have to test Palace as well, and that one is closer to the Messe.

[Ortos]

@Peter:

You wrote:

"Jackson has been pretty clear on many sections of this forum that he will not tolerate posts about sex with post-ops, TV's Ts's or any other sort of deviant. Wahtever your personal beliefs, Jackson seems to have made it a personal point in his forum that Boys who pretend to be girls, or girls who used to be boys should not be mentioned. Let's keep it like this."

I think it is important to clarify that we are having a very useful and necessary discussion here: about the apparent presence of a Man/Girl (chick-with-a-dick or whatever) masquerading as a woman at BHH Oase, one of the top 3 FKKs in Germany! This is definite info that I personally want to know. In fact I am eager for it, (so that I don't end up in a room by mistake), so I do indeed hope it will be broadcast loud and clear on this (Jackson's) forum. Discussions of this sort definitely should not be taboo, in my opinion at least, so I am a little confused by your comment discussions about one working in an FKK "should not be mentioned." You know what I mean? If some one at an FKK is trying to mislead me --and I think a post-op who works there must KNOW that every one of us is there to fuck a hot girl of our hetersexual dreams-- we all deserve to know who she is, no?

I can hardly believe that our esteemed Leader, Herr Jackson, would have us good old FKK boys in the dark about these things, eh? What do you say, Jackson? (Show us you actually read these FKK threads and chime in, will you old chap?)

[Novize]

As I wrote, noone has to do a session with a Katoi.

But there is a need for that, otherwise these Katois wouldn´t earn money in the clubs.

And why should she advertise as a "Post-OP TS"? When she feels like a woman, she will tell you that she is one. That wouldn´t even be a lie.

If you recognize a Katoi and don´t want to do a session with her, just don´t do it.

If you don´t recognize a Katoi as a Katoi, it doesn´t make a difference.

[Peter]

Jackson has been pretty clear on many sections of this forum that he will not tolerate posts about sex with post-ops, TV's Ts's or any other sort of deviant. Wahtever your personal beliefs, Jackson seems to have made it a personal point in his forum that Boys who pretend to be girls, or girls who used to be boys should not be mentioned. Let's keep it like this.

I also have to say I think if any person is working at an FKK who does not have the right chromosone structure, should have to walk around all day with a sign saying so.

[Optimist]

Ortos and Capt Nemo. I take your point. It all depends on whether one sees a post-op as a girl or not. I do, so I do not see it as false advertising. However I suspect most members do not see a post op as a girl, (the absence of a clitoris might be a disaster if one wants sex with a girl!) in which case it might be considered unacceptable (like buying a BMW which had been secretly fitted with a Nissan engine - it might/might not be better but it's not what the buyer expected ). Even if legally the person is a woman. Maybe I'm having a bad day but on this occasion I don't see how to square the circle. The "girl" can't exactly wear a disclaimer, but nor should hs/she be barred from working if she is legally a woman and considers herself a woman.

I fall back on the idea that the buyer has to be aware. If the person has a small man type ass, false breasts, no clit and just a urethral opening instead (but it's a bit hard to discover thatt early on) then it is/was obviously a man

[CaptainNemo]

It has nothing to do with intolerance. It has everything to do with false advertising.

When I go to a fish market for red snapper, I expect the real thing. I don’t want to buy some human-made red snapper. It is different. It is not real red snapper.

As long as everyone is aware of this, it is cool. Take your selection carefully at such place.

[Ortos]

I think it is an important point about the need to avoid intolerance in our beloved FKKs. And whilst I am no expert in TS's or post-ops or whatever, I certainly would not like to be tricked into a session with a man thinking he/she/it is a girl.

So I would only raise the question of honest business practises here. If a so-called "chick-with-a-dick" is passing herself off as girl but is not in fact a girl, and he/she/it does not reveal his/her true nature, is that not fraud?

I mean if you go into a restaurant and order lobster, but they bring you some kind of fish painted-up as lobster and positioned in a lobster shell, that ain't right, ist es?

[Optimist]

IMHO an FKK-club is not a place for intolerance.

Well said. Maybe I'm a bit over tolerant but I think it's a question of each to his own. The more range the better. I have accidentallygone with two post ops (not in FKKs) and found their service was of the absolutely highest - although I was a bit mentally confused afterwards.

I can see it could offend some people but there are so many things which can offend - girls at FKKs get offended if a client wants to lick their feet, or use a vibrator, or if their boyfriend has sex with a prostitute; men at FKKs get upset if the previous client came in the girl's mouth, some men are intolerant of the girl's being real people and not plastic playthings.

So I think we need to mellow a bit about it and accept that it's one of life's risks that things at an FKK may turn out to be a bit more unexpected than our normal life

[Ndaniele]

Ciao,

I am completely agree about what say Lover Boy.

I not expect and surely NOT want to find this type of "figure" into.

I say, I am not with a close mind (who can be with close mind into a FKK?)

Just it is not the right place for them, i believe.

(I always think that one thing is connected to another. I am not pretty sure their customers are the same with the daily ones there are now)

For FKK fans like me (and the people I know) this palce is a PARADISE, and I really hope never will change the policy.

Maximun respect for trans/ladyboy, just my personal opinion it isn't the place for them.

P.s. However i am sure they already have a place.

I come from far for spend nice time in these places... surely i will "change" if i will find me into a "bad" situation.

Bye

[Novize]

I´m quite sure one can find post-OP Transsexuals at FKK-clubs. I don´t think that there are pre-OP TS´es working.

These persons feel like women, legally they are women, so why shouldn´t they work there?

Noone is obliged to book them, so it´s up to the customers to take their choice.

IMHO an FKK-club is not a place for intolerance.

[Lover Boy #2]

"Warning: Chick with the dick

Do you guys know that there is a chick with the dick (or used to have a dick) working at Oase? I never read any report on this".

I reported on this earlier at the Atlantis club. This male (now ?) was working some American soldiers near the bar area, flanked by another Thai girl. The same thing happened...a guy picked him and returned with a smile on his face.....claiming a great blow job. No doubt!!

I complained to two managers. Both listened, but seemed mildly annoyed that I realized this was a chick with a dick....no that the character should be working elsewhere....where his talent could be appreciated.

I personally don't like this kind of stuff because it is easy for the inexperienced colleagues to pick a dude up. This should not be happening in the FKK environment....which should have protection against this. If a guy is looking for a chick with a dick, there are many places in Germany for him to go...and guys who want this know this very well. So, why throw a mystery penis/lady boy on unsuspecting mongers? I think this is very bad policy for this type of club.

[Iseeu]

I actually look forward to the room backlog problem as it gives all that off the clock time to get to know the person waiting with you a little better. Those standing in line feel up/makeout sessions can be great!

[Polar]

This Sunday I made my first visit ever to a German FKK. I hade time from Sunday noon to Monday afternoon to spend in Frankfurt and following the recent reports in this forum, I decided to go for Oase. This showed to be very good choise.

Rented a Smart Car from Sixti.de The cost for two days including insurance and 200 km was only 28 Euro. I hade also booked an overnight at the Mercure hotel in Friedrichsdorf. My company has a discount card at Accor hotels, so the overnight cost was 30 Euro for the room. It was very easy to find the way from the airport to the hotel. Took about 25 minutes (you don't drive that fast with a Smart) The good thing with Friedrichsdorf is that it takes only 5 minutes by car from the hotel to Oase.

Since I was too early for the hotelroom, I headed directly to Oase. No big trouble to find that place either. I hade printed a map from map24.de and used that one toghether with the description on the webpage of the FKK. 2 pm and 20 cars on the parking area. Here we go.

The lady at the entrance asked if it was my first visit (was that so obvious) and I had to admit. Got a towel, key, and she then showed med the way to the locker room and quickly explained the premises and the cost related to the girls. As a newbe at the FKK I must admit it's a strange feeling when you first enter the place and 10 naked girls are looking back at you as you pass the bar. One of them immediately smiled, stroke my arm and said welcome. I escaped down to the locker room and tried to think out a plan to proceed.

The plan was easy. Glass of water in the hand, and then just walk around the whole area trying to get a grip of the situation. And that was not easy. I admit I did not count, but at my opinion there where girls everywhere. I felt the male:female ratio something like 1:3.

After a while I felt like the fox in an english fox hunt. I had to escape somewhere, and the first idea was the easiest. The smiling girl by the bar showed to speak absolutely excellent english. And with all good advices read on this forum, I invited her to one of the sofas to see what type she could be.

Maribela (or Mariela) 23 years from Rumania. Around 170 cm, A-cup, dark long hair. Very slender body. She was talkative and enough GFE like to after some 10 minutes force me to invite her to a room. No trouble to find a free one. I now have to admit that I stick to the very precausius guy's. I asked for cover even for the BJ. On the other hand, the difference is not that big to my opinion. Maribela has a nice soft technique for the BJ and after a while I had to ask her to stop. Time for a missionary. More than one week without sex had it's influence - would I last half an hour? Short break saved the situation and then time for doggy. She has a tight pussy, but luckily my frend below kept in shape. Five minutes later I had to fill the condom.

Time for a short recover. Went to check in at the hotel and back againg around 4 pm.

Next encounter called herself Darling. Dark brown body, firm and very soft skinn. Around 25 i guess, 165 cm, short hair (3 cm), A-cup and said she was from Haiti. Unfortunately her english was very poor, and my German is really not up to shape. This time we went almost directly to a room. With the language difficulties there was no idea to spend time on something else. This girl has an absolutely outstanding BJ technique. Real depthroating. With all these nice ladies I decided to follow the old chinese rules, sex according to Tao. You should have sex several times per day but keep your "ching". So, we kept on fucking in several positions and I finally explained to her that I didn't want to finish. Even that was not easy to explain in english. IMHO her soft but firm body, and not to mention the BJ, is absolutely worth a visit.

The good thing with Tao is that the member below is always ready. So when Lissy, 175 cm, just over 20, slim with A-B cup, long brown hair from Moldavia approched, he was immediately part of the game. Off to a room. We managed to find the last free one. This girls obviously like more tough times. When she was performing a BJ I started to give her massage on the pussy with my right thumb. All of a sudden, she sat up and pressed herself down on my thumb into the bottom. The following half an hour I must have lost two kilos just swetting. I was not able to pump hard enough, she just wanted even more. When the half hour had passed, everything in the room was wet. When she left me by the safety box, she smiled and asked me to come back when I wanted to finish. I wonder if I survive that.

Time had now past 8.30 pm, and the last encounter forced some relaxation. During the evening I had now and then seen a very nice girl, around 25, dark hair to the shoulders, 165 cm, A-cup with piercing in the left nipple. She had the spanish or italian look, and a great smile. Now she was sitting alone by the bar, so I had to take the opportunity and approached her. She didn't speak english. Not one single word. Shit! But I didn't care, this one I have to come closer. We went to one of the sofas and my 20 year old school german was what I had to rely on. She showed to have a Dutch mother, Italian father and was born in Cologne. Think she called herself Cissi. The Italian father explains the look. She also showed to have a piercing i the tung in the navel and even at the pussy. I hate piercing, specialy in the tung, but I couldn't care less in this case. After a few minutes she was sitting in my knee whith her brest in my mouth and and giving massage to my extremely hard erection behind her back. I didn't care about all the watching people, I don't know anyone here. After maybe 10 minutes we went to a room. BJ was maybe not her best game, but the rest..DFK, smiling and 100% GFE attitude. This one you could fall in love with. Half an hour passes quickly. Still following the Tao rules, we left the room together and had a shower outside. She said she was leaving for the night at 10 pm, and I decided to do the same.

This my first FKK visit was 100% satisfying. I didn't have to be at the airport until 4 pm Monday, so I will try the club even earlier when I check out from the hotel. I come back with a report about Monday