FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Sirioja]

Blond, silicon, Keira may have good reasons not to say where she is really from, about people around her life.

There are many lovely gypsie girls in FKK like Helli. Romanian girls often lie about where they are from, because too numerous in FKK and they know some men don t like them or don t trust them.

Just back from 3 days in Hamburg where only a very few Romanian girls among many German or Polish, but my dreamed girl was a smiling, friendly, slim, lovely, sweet brunette and I will miss Nicole from the black sea and how she looked at me in the eyes, when kissing for a long time. Romanian girls are the most sensual with Russian and Latvian, compare to average German or polish.

[McAdonis]

Are you guys really meeting lots of girls in (non-Palace) FKKs who are trying to scam you?

Not really me personally. Girls confess things to me though.

Let's say there is a really naive desperate 40 year old virgin customer who has a life savings of 50 K EUR. If the WG pretends to have feelings and knows that her customer bites hook, line and sinker, I think its disingenuous for her to do 500 hours of room time to drain his life savings. She's lying in order to close her sale. In other words, under the pretense that they are in love.

[McAdonis]

My personal experience of three visits to Romania, but not Bucuresti, is of overwhelming honesty, politeness and helpfulness, even in the poorest gypsy villages.

I never find a girl reluctant to admit being a gypsy, but I only ask them after a session is almost over.

I actually offered to buy drinks for the Romanian gentlemen that helped me. They refused.

Sometimes girls never come clean. Keira at Sharks I've sessioned more than once. She sticks to her story about being Slovakian. She's overheard speaking Balkan languages all the time. Maybe she's telling the truth and is just linguistically gifted.

[UltraHappy]

I don't know where you guys are finding all these scammers in the clubs. I, for one, choose my girl and go to the room with her. With few exceptions, she gives me good service (indeed, I would say great service more than 66% of the time). Then I pay her.

Then later, I often ask her to go to the room with me again. We have a great time. And, I pay her. Then, I do this with another girl with the same result.

The number of times that girls have attempted to "scam" me in the club are so few that I barely remember them. Now if you guys are talking about your visits to Palace, I could understand where you are coming from.

Because most girls perceive me as a nice guy who respects them, they actually feel compelled to be honest with me. They could be lying to me and trying to trick me and tell me that they love me, etc to try to trick me into giving them more money or by telling me sob stories, but to my surprise, none of my girls actually do this. I think also that the whole lying / scamming thing is perceived as too much work for most of the girls. They'd rather just do their job and get paid for services rendered -- much easier and less stress. In my entire FKK career, which granted hasn't been as long as many of the other members here, I would guess that only two girls have given me sob stories and tried to elicit extra money out of me for something other than services rendered.

Sometimes I think it would be nice for me if the girls lied to me more and tried to trick me into thinking they have feelings for me. That way, I could live out my fantasies easier. Then again, that would have been easier for the girls when I was getting started in the whole FKK scene. Now, this would be much harder for the girls to pull off now that I am a little bit wiser than at the beginning.

Actually I met one nice girl at Oase who would lie to me and say all kinds of nice things to me. She was an excellent actress. I told her how much I appreciated her lying to me and asked to continue lying to me. Unfortunately, she left Oase a couple months ago. Perhaps I will get lucky and meet another good actress. To be clear though, she did not try to scam me by lying to me -- she was just trying to provide good service / fantasy.

As for my travels in Romania itself, my only run-ins with Gypsies were at the restaurants with open outside eating areas. The Gypsies would come around with their bags of merchandise and try to sell us stuff. We would look at their stuff and thank them for taking the time to show us their merchandise and then, they'd be off. Perhaps I have not travelled extensively enough in Romania to encounter the troublesome Gypsies you are referring to. I totally get what you are saying about the open discrimination against Gypsies in Romania by the Romanians though. That is definitely without a doubt apparent and obvious.

Are you guys really meeting lots of girls in (non-Palace) FKKs who are trying to scam you?

[Optimist]

Scamming is so rampant in RO, I believe ROs develop a natural distrust. I was in Bucharest main train station last year trying to buy an international train ticket. This middle-aged gentleman and his son were gracious enough to help translate for me with the sales lady. During this transaction, a 70-year old white RO beggar lady interrupted the four of us crying, with a sob story. None of the three ROs even acknowledged her presence.

Scams happen everywhere of course. Nigeria, Asia etc.

Number of gypsies in mainstream FKKs is hard to say. I assume most will not admit it if they can pass off as a non-gypsy.

I was making smalltalk with young ROs in pubs along Strada Selari in Old Town Bucharest. Small sample size that was limited to "big city people" but seems most ROs absolutley HATE gypsies and they have no notion of political correctness about it. Madonna was greeted with chorus of boos once when she tried to defend gypsies. Never heard a single Manele song in any pub entire time BTW. Musical taste is usually acquired via social circles--just saying.

My personal experience of three visits to Romania, but not Bucuresti, is of overwhelming honesty, politeness and helpfulness, even in the poorest gypsy villages.

As you say, other Romanians hate gypsies, but I think that given the scale of corruption amongst the country's elite and for example, local police, the hate for gypsies is irrational. It's just that some gypsies flaunt their dubious wealth by building huge houses with for example Euro signs on top, and also gypsy crime tends to be street level and therefore obvious. All societies love having a marginalised group to hate if they can get away with it.

Yes, if one says one likes manele, one is immediately an outcast.

There are more gypsies in clubs than is obvious. They don't all have the obvious physical characteristics. I never find a girl reluctant to admit being a gypsy, but I only ask them after a session is almost over.

Sorry to add to the trend for the Oase thread to be a general discussion thread.

[McAdonis]

How do we know which girls are gypsies? We know there are a minority of them in Ro. It's likely that Gypsies will get into the WG industry. Just because a girl pulls a fast one, scams, cheat, lie, shark, upsell, or whatever have you, is it certain she is one?

Scamming is so rampant in RO, I believe ROs develop a natural distrust. I was in Bucharest main train station last year trying to buy an international train ticket. This middle-aged gentleman and his son were gracious enough to help translate for me with the sales lady. During this transaction, a 70-year old white RO beggar lady interrupted the four of us crying, with a sob story. None of the three ROs even acknowledged her presence.

Scams happen everywhere of course. Nigeria, Asia etc.

Number of gypsies in mainstream FKKs is hard to say. I assume most will not admit it if they can pass off as a non-gypsy.

I was making smalltalk with young ROs in pubs along Strada Selari in Old Town Bucharest. Small sample size that was limited to "big city people" but seems most ROs absolutley HATE gypsies and they have no notion of political correctness about it. Madonna was greeted with chorus of boos once when she tried to defend gypsies. Never heard a single Manele song in any pub entire time BTW. Musical taste is usually acquired via social circles--just saying.

[PussyLiccker]

I also wonder why all girls don't love DATY. Easiest buck ever made. Especially for so called star fish. Don't feel a thing, but just sit back, and think about next visit to the mall or something. Anyway, they must have their reasons.

Carla is indeed so good. Absolutely no BS. And no prude, if you ask her she would be willing to fuck you right there at the bar stool. Total delight.

Yes, I can't imagine DATY being a difficult service. What I think is that there are guys that take importance of that service aspect (same for kissing), that they can try to test out if the punter will pay extra for it. Some services are pretty clearly defined in the standard service like suck and fuck, DATY and kissing ain't. Same goes for girls that tells guys extra for fingering.

[PussyLiccker]

Most girls hate the constant lying they have to do at these clubs in order to make every guy feel special. And some even quit because of it. Once you get to know the girls, you will find out where they are along those lines as it does drag on them after awhile. Simply put, they hate the fact that it is us men that gets to choose them, and not the other way around. Also, if you turn down some girl's best friends, and she really wanted to go with you and you are perceived rude to some degree, the friend may find it even harder to act nice around you. They want to be in control, yet they are not the ones with the money. And this is what some hate and others suppress in trade for acting.

In some clubs, men typically or always chooses the girls. Aca for example, there is the non-approach policy that is pretty obvious. The girls are sitting on the couches waiting for punters. And at some clubs (like GT), it doesn't happen all so often, and typically men takes the initiative. Some men prefer the approach, and other not. Many small clubs around the NRW that girls don't go that far when it comes to approach or not approach at all. Usually sitting, and some make eye contact whatever have you.

I personally prefer being able to approach the girls myself. I don't waste the girl's time (and mine) that I'm not interested in. There are exceptions to all this. Cheyenne approaches in a good fashion, and then there are the annoying ones. Also, Ina knows how to play the game without approach. A slight smile from a distance sitting down works well.

There are some girls I thought came off a bit cold from a distance, or I have not run into. Common saying is that, they don't like to approach, and it's pretty apparent. I can empathize as there are men that they don't know, or as a girl, takes a bit more to show some enthusiasm with all the guys.

Inexperienced girls will take some time to adjust to the approach environment. Some girls approach in duo's, and at times it's for ease of approach.

It's on the same lines as a job in the service industry. They tell their clients what they think they want to hear. Why should that be surprising? They will soon realize, there are men that come in for the experience beyond just suck and fuck, and therefore they learn to provide. Lies(or a different truth), whatever, etc. We've all heard very similar stuff from girls that are commonly said I'm sure.

[PussyLiccker]

Do you believe that everyone has the same value system? And upbringing and environment doesn't influence this value system?

Gypsies are a marginalized, blamed and humiliated group. For gypsies, this creates a hatred for society--sometimes resulting in complete lack of empathy for the victims they are scamming or hurting. "That chump deserved to be scammed". Hence why I said their value system is different. Sociologists posit that the propensity of violence among young African-American males exists for similar reasons.

In a lot of major European cities, gypsies force their children to beg and pick pockets. The skills they pick up begging / manipulating / scamming as children transition well to WG careers. There are some "nice girls" of course. And then there are some girls who have honed their stage-acting and manipulation skills to play the part when it suits their needs.

How do we know which girls are gypsies? We know there are a minority of them in Ro. It's likely that Gypsies will get into the WG industry. Just because a girl pulls a fast one, scams, cheat, lie, shark, upsell, or whatever have you, is it certain she is one?

I met a girl that claim she was indeed a gypsy. Show'd me her dress and everything on her smartphone. Good service, no scams. Pretty girl.

There are different types of girls, non-Ro that tries to pull whatever that they can pull-off if they see the punter is a good target for it. Like anything that involves money, they will try to maximize their earning, and some are more clever at it than others. There are other WGs in clubs, some more experienced than others, they talk, and learn from each other.

[Member #4581]

No I don't (to your first question).

And not sure what makes you think I have any such belief. I said I disagree with some sentiments (which I listed) expressed here. It is quite normal that all of us are not bobble heads agreeing with each other on everything. If all of us agreed on everything, we would have nothing much interesting to talk about here.

Anyway, my comment was related to what Syz said. I too like to talk to the girls a bit during my sessions, as opposed to 30/60 min of non stop slamming. My point was that regardless of what their background is, they are still interesting and worth understanding as real people.

Do you believe that everyone has the same value system? And upbringing and environment doesn't influence this value system?

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[Pistons]

Do you believe that everyone has the same value system? And upbringing and environment doesn't influence this value system?

Gypsies are a marginalized, blamed and humiliated group. For gypsies, this creates a hatred for society--sometimes resulting in complete lack of empathy for the victims they are scamming or hurting. "That chump deserved to be scammed". Hence why I said their value system is different. Sociologists posit that the propensity of violence among young African-American males exists for similar reasons.

In a lot of major European cities, gypsies force their children to beg and pick pockets. The skills they pick up begging / manipulating / scamming as children transition well to WG careers. There are some "nice girls" of course. And then there are some girls who have honed their stage-acting and manipulation skills to play the part when it suits their needs.

Yes, that is the romanians. Not all are romanians though. Although quite a few are yes. That is why some lie about their counrty of origin too I suppose.

[McAdonis]

Most girls hate the constant lying they have to do at these clubs in order to make every guy feel special. And some even quit because of it. Once you get to know the girls, you will find out where they are along those lines as it does drag on them after awhile. Simply put, they hate the fact that it is us men that gets to choose them, and not the other way around. Also, if you turn down some girl's best friends, and she really wanted to go with you and you are perceived rude to some degree, the friend may find it even harder to act nice around you. They want to be in control, yet they are not the ones with the money. And this is what some hate and others suppress in trade for acting.

For some girls, lying is unfortunately second nature. If someone is beating the shit out of you, you learn to say anything to get them to stop.

Girls do get a measure of control back once they've hooked a customer and can get him to do what she wants.

[McAdonis]

Several comments here very recently went along the lines of "these girls should be treated like piece of meat, they don't respond to incentives, they are misfits and come from low life backgrounds, use them for 30 min and as soon as the session is over don't even look at them anymore, etc etc" - I am paraphrasing these comments but I can't agree.

Do you believe that everyone has the same value system? And upbringing and environment doesn't influence this value system?

Gypsies are a marginalized, blamed and humiliated group. For gypsies, this creates a hatred for society--sometimes resulting in complete lack of empathy for the victims they are scamming or hurting. "That chump deserved to be scammed". Hence why I said their value system is different. Sociologists posit that the propensity of violence among young African-American males exists for similar reasons.

In a lot of major European cities, gypsies force their children to beg and pick pockets. The skills they pick up begging / manipulating / scamming as children transition well to WG careers. There are some "nice girls" of course. And then there are some girls who have honed their stage-acting and manipulation skills to play the part when it suits their needs.

[Pistons]

Interviewing girls is an interesting topic. I always spend some time during my session talking, trying to get a sense of who they are. I am not a wham bam thank you ma'am type person. Several comments here very recently went along the lines of "these girls should be treated like piece of meat, they don't respond to incentives, they are misfits and come from low life backgrounds, use them for 30 min and as soon as the session is over don't even look at them anymore, etc etc" - I am paraphrasing these comments but I can't agree.

However, I also think an objective interview can't be done by a punter. I think these girls tell different things to different customers, and I don't think they are even honest with themselves sometimes. And their relationship with a potential customer is too conflicted. Perhaps they confide to their girl friends, typically other girls in the club? I wonder if they can disclose their true, unvarnished views and experiences with best friends outside the club, as there is bound to be a lot of judging going on, in both directions. It has got to be a very tough job, and perhaps many girls did not take time to really reflect back yet, merely trying to survive day to day.

Most girls hate the constant lying they have to do at these clubs in order to make every guy feel special. And some even quit because of it. Once you get to know the girls, you will find out where they are along those lines as it does drag on them after awhile. Simply put, they hate the fact that it is us men that gets to choose them, and not the other way around. Also, if you turn down some girl's best friends, and she really wanted to go with you and you are perceived rude to some degree, the friend may find it even harder to act nice around you. They want to be in control, yet they are not the ones with the money. And this is what some hate and others suppress in trade for acting.

[Member #4581]

Interviewing girls is an interesting topic. I always spend some time during my session talking, trying to get a sense of who they are. I am not a wham bam thank you ma'am type person. Several comments here very recently went along the lines of "these girls should be treated like piece of meat, they don't respond to incentives, they are misfits and come from low life backgrounds, use them for 30 min and as soon as the session is over don't even look at them anymore, etc etc" - I am paraphrasing these comments but I can't agree.

However, I also think an objective interview can't be done by a punter. I think these girls tell different things to different customers, and I don't think they are even honest with themselves sometimes. And their relationship with a potential customer is too conflicted. Perhaps they confide to their girl friends, typically other girls in the club? I wonder if they can disclose their true, unvarnished views and experiences with best friends outside the club, as there is bound to be a lot of judging going on, in both directions. It has got to be a very tough job, and perhaps many girls did not take time to really reflect back yet, merely trying to survive day to day.