FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[ExpatLover]

It's a very tricky knot to unentangle. Even if selling sex to a degree is becoming more acceptable with the spread of Internet porn (it didn't kill Paris Hilton career, and it launched Kim Kardashian's) -- there's also the stigma of it even when you're out of the business.

Hardcore porn actresses Aurora Snow and Bree Olsen have talked about this. They can't get jobs as, say, teachers... but I do know of an adult perfomer who did, but she's Canadian and had to kind of "fake" her own death.

Then consider our own roles as patrons in this business. It's hard for women to make prostitution a socially acceptable choice when many men are also fearful of revealing that they patronize sex workers (though maybe this will change too, from Charlie Sheen to Justin Bieber to various professional athletes.).

I think in some areas of the world it's modestly more socially acceptable -- see Bruna Surfistinha in Brazil or Gina Wild in Germany. The stigma hasn't been as strong with these two, although it hasn't gone away completely either. Maybe Stormy Daniels will push the envelope a little further in the USA.

This is clearly one aspect but for me another aspect could be the mental health of many of the girls, complete loss of self esteem, low energy to build any personal project I spent some time outside the clubs with girls and really I don t know if they are prostitute because of their low energy level or if this is coming from that job but most of them have no power, are not interesting in discovering the world, the people.

[Jmioffe]

XXL. Yes. Loads of girls have told me they think prostitution is a huge improvement on the other career options available to them. Just a shame that it is not a socially acceptable choice for western European girls.

It's a very tricky knot to unentangle. Even if selling sex to a degree is becoming more acceptable with the spread of Internet porn (it didn't kill Paris Hilton career, and it launched Kim Kardashian's) -- there's also the stigma of it even when you're out of the business.

Hardcore porn actresses Aurora Snow and Bree Olsen have talked about this. They can't get jobs as, say, teachers... but I do know of an adult perfomer who did, but she's Canadian and had to kind of "fake" her own death.

Then consider our own roles as patrons in this business. It's hard for women to make prostitution a socially acceptable choice when many men are also fearful of revealing that they patronize sex workers (though maybe this will change too, from Charlie Sheen to Justin Bieber to various professional athletes.).

I think in some areas of the world it's modestly more socially acceptable -- see Bruna Surfistinha in Brazil or Gina Wild in Germany. The stigma hasn't been as strong with these two, although it hasn't gone away completely either. Maybe Stormy Daniels will push the envelope a little further in the USA.

[McAdonis]

How would know what year it was? Were you attending regularly years before that? It was definitely before 2007 that Romanians were already dominating at the Palace. Maybe somewhat broader mixture in 2005 but still Romanian and Bulgarian dominated in my memory.

Probably talking to too many old-timers. The transition was perhaps more gradual I suspect, where Romanians were growing 10 percent per year over multiple years.

[Loco Tonto]

Claudia aka Aida, formerly Mainhattan, many Tattoos? She didn't retire. Saw her two three weeks ago.

Oh! Sorry. Didn't mean to spread false rumors. Was at Oase last week, speaking to one of the girls, she said she hadn't been around for a while. Theke also told me hasn't seen her for few months. Said didn't know if she was coming back.

Thanks for the correction.

[Rogue Nation]

Romania joined the EU in 2007. So yes, 2007 showed an increase in Romanian girls in the European sex industry.

[Syzygies]

When self-driving cars become a reality, it is predicted that there will be an over-supply of long-haul drivers. That will probably be a more disruptive change in the labor market than when the Romanians WGs flooded the German paid sex market in 2007! At least in the latter case, demand (in the form of tourists) increased, albeit probably not to accommodate the increased supply of Romanian WGs.

How would know what year it was? Were you attending regularly years before that? It was definitely before 2007 that Romanians were already dominating at the Palace. Maybe somewhat broader mixture in 2005 but still Romanian and Bulgarian dominated in my memory. Not always easy to tell if girl was telling truth about origin anyway. Actually in later years more Asians showed up and maybe more Latinas.

I recall Katrin (Palace) saying she was from the "Black Sea" and at first I did not know where it was. LOL Did the Romanian numbers increase a lot in 2007? Can't say I noticed.

[DaWong949]

I have quick trip to Oase last Monday. The LU is OK. Food is so so (same as before). I managed to have 3 sessions. One with Adina who have beautiful tits. Two times with Veronica. I have not seen her for almost one year. She gains back her normal shape. (Last time was little bit overweight). There is brand new girl who the manager just showed her around. She is cute, I was thinking about doing her but never had chance. Hope she will be still around in November when I come back.

Overall 40-60 girls. Guys may be around same amount. It is not bad consider it is slow Monday.

[McAdonis]

In any case, compression of lawyer salaries by a small amount relative to national averages does not in any way imply that college degrees are losing value. Far from it.

As artificial intelligence advances, certain industries like the legal industry will contract. Junior associates used to get hired to perform grunt work like document review. Artificial intelligence now handles that at a fraction of the cost. This means that someone who graduated in 2017 from a lower tier law school may never ever work as a lawyer. I reference 2017 explicitly here, because law school tuition in 2017 was 2.71 times more expensive than it was in 1985, after adjusting for inflation. Lawyers who graduated in the 1990's obviously perform more higher-value work than document review, so given current technology, they have yet to be negatively impacted. In fact, law firms are cutting costs by hiring less junior associates, so these older lawyers probably saw some pay increases, partly due to the fact that there are now fewer lawyers in the firm to share the bounty amongst.

When self-driving cars become a reality, it is predicted that there will be an over-supply of long-haul drivers. That will probably be a more disruptive change in the labor market than when the Romanians WGs flooded the German paid sex market in 2007! At least in the latter case, demand (in the form of tourists) increased, albeit probably not to accommodate the increased supply of Romanian WGs.

[HungryStud101]

How about the service providers? Anyone worth doing?

[Rogue Nation]

I heard she retired. But maybe that's just "girl talk". Apparently there are guys who have her contact still. Can anyone confirm?

Claudia aka Aida, formerly Mainhattan, many Tattoos? She didn't retire. Saw her two three weeks ago.

[ExpatLover]

Not only USA in employment cirsis. All over the world. In particular also in Switzerland for Swiss people.

I was thinking that in Switzerland, Austria, Germany there was more or less full employment.

[Michi T]

I struck up a conversation with this lawyer from the USA in the clubs. He told me that lawyers of his generation got a sold ROI on their law degrees, but majority of the newly minted lawyers will not. Tuitions rose faster than inflation, while starting salaries haven't. Except for the top 15 percent of graduates (usually tier one schools). This is not just one kid, but thousands of kids each year--there is an employment crisis. Article below mentions people going $200 K in debt to obtain their law degree, but having to settle for jobs where a law degree is not even required, getting payed $19-22 per hour: https://theoutline.com/post/2943/thi...yers-go-to-cry.

Not only USA in employment cirsis. All over the world. In particular also in Switzerland for Swiss people.

[Delta Indigo]

I struck up a conversation with this lawyer from the USA in the clubs. He told me that lawyers of his generation got a sold ROI on their law degrees, but majority of the newly minted lawyers will not. Tuitions rose faster than inflation, while starting salaries haven't. Except for the top 15 percent of graduates (usually tier one schools). This is not just one kid, but thousands of kids each year--there is an employment crisis. Article below mentions people going $200 K in debt to obtain their law degree, but having to settle for jobs where a law degree is not even required, getting payed $19-22 per hour: https://theoutline.com/post/2943/thi...yers-go-to-cry.

First of all I apologize for writing in the wrong thread. I am someone who grew up in the US and has lived in Europe for a long time, the vast majority of my family still lives in the US. If one compares Germany and the US to name a single case, then it should become apparent that the US has loads of problems.

Life is increasingly expensive and unmanageable in the US. The cost of higher education in the US is totally absurd and the extent to which people get into debt to have a reasonable, I mean reasonable and not extravagant, standard of living is astounding.

That taken with the exorbitant cost of health care compared to any European system, should help anyone realize that the American dream has gone to dust.

If you want to have a huge house and two cars, then America is ideal in many respects, otherwise the country is increasingly unlivable.

This is part of the reason why Trump was elected, life is increasingly expensive even for relatively affluent people in America. However the people who voted for him don't realize that his party is the cause of many of the problems and far from the cure.

I will stop before someone starts a flame war in response to what I consider to be obvious and beyond denial.

[Loco Tonto]

Dissappointment at once again not seeing anything of my Oase favourite Claudia.

I heard she retired. But maybe that's just "girl talk". Apparently there are guys who have her contact still. Can anyone confirm?

[Pistons]

My point was still trying to extrapolate education (in any subject) onto the subject of working in an FKK. In this case I would prefer a non-robot over an educated robot. Simply because the non-educated has a higher potential for divergent thinking, and that would most likely be a bonus to a client as the tailor made approach would seem more genuine. And less taught from a paradigm standpoint of approach.