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  1. #12856
    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    Hey Syzy,

    I don't see it that way and would like to give a different perspective:

    You being a weekly visitor to the clubs, it surprises me that you are not visiting more clubs . In particular when you are getting bored with a club. You have FIVE great clubs in your Frankfurt neighbourhood and the NRW just a couple of hours drive away being very easy to reach on a weekend trip from Frankfurt. My advice to you is simply to broaden your horizons when getting bored. Then you can appreciate the qualities in each club better.

    This should be particular important to you as you have a very narrow taste in women and are easily bored. Thus you must see more clubs and more women to find the right girls and to keep the freshness and excitement. Or to the contrary, stay away from the scene for a while and do something else with your life in order to lose boredom and recreate the excitement. Hey, this hobby is a drug.

    To sum up: All clubs have its ups and downs, but the Oase line-up is so big and well kept that there is always something exciting even on bad days. In your case, I don't think any club is "big enough" and you should simply just try out more clubs. If a club does not meet your standards, then move on.
    For sure I am a sex addict and would not be able to limit myself to once per month. Cutting down number of girls per visit is more viable and also could try to finish sessions quicker. I do intend to try some other clubs rather than limiting to 2, but that is not my main point. Palace is ruled out for now. I have been a couple of times, but not that enthused by the line-up. Not many all natural pretty gazelles that give the right vibe and attitude.

    I am not easily bored at all by great girls, but only by a weak overall selection. I think you exaggerate my boredom somewhat, but not my fussiness about face and figure and at least fun service. At some point I have thought the Oase line-up was down and so switched to World for a while, and at that time, World was indeed better and more interesting choices available. I had more girls on the repeat list. When I came back to Oase its line-up seemed greatly improved and World had dropped off badly on one particular visit (in fact that was my last visit to World and before that I was sort of alternating).

    So I think you have avoided the main thrust of my question which is about seasonal variation and was the line-up truly poorer in the winter period for GFE gazelle types than the summer and is it likely to be poorer this coming winter, or is the change far more random.

    I don't think I need to keep using a large number of different clubs while the existing have very good girl selections. While World has a few very good girls, there is probably only one that I really miss badly. Oase, on the other hand has several girls that I more than keen to do again as soon as I get back. So nothing about Oase is boring me right now unless all the favourites go missing. I am very eager to try Sylvia (a super girl) again, also Roxy (Evita) with the stunning ass again, then there are the favourites: Lavinia, Amalia, Maria, Elizabeth, and some very good backups. Even then there are a few untried on the "to do" list, and a few worth trying again. Sometimes the 2nd time is better.

    I don't need to go to another club just to accumulate lots of different girls, only the most incredible girls are going to keep dragging me there, or if the top girl selection can really beat Oase at the time. I am willing to try, and will do, but remain a bit sceptical. Probably Sharks first!

    The disadvantage of new clubs are obvious. When first arrive, all girls are new and a gamble. Girls tend to hassle the new customers more (my face is not known). Then there is the problem that the more clubs you visit, the more money you use. Having just one main club to use helps restrict the total frequency of visits.

  2. #12855
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Having been to Oase off an on for several years, approx. 50+ visits (that's a lot of money LOL), it seems to me that from about Oct 2012 through to March 2013, the line-up standard was well down. Do others see likewise or could it have just been the absence of a few really great girls no longer at Oase?
    Hey Syzy,
    I don't see it that way and would like to give a different perspective:

    You being a weekly visitor to the clubs, it surprises me that you are not visiting more clubs - in particular when you are getting bored with a club. You have FIVE great clubs in your Frankfurt neighbourhood and the NRW just a couple of hours drive away being very easy to reach on a weekend trip from Frankfurt. My advice to you is simply to broaden your horizons when getting bored. Then you can appreciate the qualities in each club better.

    This should be particular important to you as you have a very narrow taste in women and are easily bored. Thus you must see more clubs and more women to find the right girls and to keep the freshness and excitement. Or to the contrary, stay away from the scene for a while and do something else with your life in order to lose boredom and recreate the excitement. Hey, this hobby is a drug ...

    I am different to you in many ways:

    - Firstly, I am a monthly visitor at best (usually 3- 8 weeks between each visit). The Oase-line up is so big and IMHO able to renew itself enough making it impossible for me to keep up with all the new talent. A dream club to return to (when not visiting every week).

    - Secondly, I have a broader taste in women than you. This means that if Oase has a 100 girls in the line-up one day, about 30 of them would be on my repeat or todo-list. I could not care less if girls like Marie, Lavinia, and Amalia have left / would leave, as it just means that I will have more time to explore the 27 prospects left. Girls that I find just as exciting as those mentioned (who I still think are somewhat hyped).

    - Thirdly, I believe that giving priority to the repeatlist enhances the sexual experiences. This is the main reason for me not visiting so many clubs. Not always, but in many cases the 2nd and 3rd time with a girl (the right girl) are more pleasureable. Plenty of girls on my repeatlist are going in the right direction right now. One Oase girl I have dated for 6- 7 years and still feels as fresh, believe it or not (la bandida de Venezuela ). Others you need to replace after a while.

    - Finally, I do visit the Frankfurt Five at least once annualy to see if I am missing out on anything. Oase remains my #1, but World and Sharks are good alternatives when I want that. But no doubt even I would have visited the NRW clubs more if I was a weekly visitor.

    To sum up: All clubs have its ups and downs, but the Oase line-up is so big and well kept that there is always something exciting even on bad days. In your case, I don't think any club is "big enough" and you should simply just try out more clubs. If a club does not meet your standards, then move on.

  3. #12854
    Having been to Oase off an on for several years, approx. 50+ visits (that's a lot of money LOL), it seems to me that from about Oct 2012 through to March 2013, the line-up standard was well down. Do others see likewise or could it have just been the absence of a few really great girls no longer at Oase? However in the period May through to July, I thought the line-up was vastly improved with many new girls, and a some hot former girls returning.

    It surprises me looking at my notes that I have done more different girls than visits (just over 60 girls over the years) , but when the line-up is down, I find I am sticking mainly to regular girls. This summer have tried quite a few new girls to me. More than my average of 1+ new girls per visit (also typically 2+ regular girls per visit). This indicates I am now a lot happier with the new talent and returning talent not previously tried.

    And now its coming to the end of Summer, is the line-up standard staying high? Can we expect it drop of for winter? This last winter I thought World was generally better than Oase, for GFE gazelle types, but in summer the reverse was true. Is this a normal cycle, or is it just totally unpredictable?

    Also new favourites mostly seem better than the old favourites, with some exceptions. Finally bored by some girls perhaps. On the other hand there have been some fabulous girls I only ever got to do once before they disappeared, e.g. Sophie (Cze) Sep 2008.

  4. #12853
    Quote Originally Posted by Shark16  [View Original Post]
    Let's just agree there have been at least two Alicia at Oase in 2013.

    - Alicia. Pl has been around for years being part of the Polish mafia. Goodlooking. A / B cups. Blond / dirty blond (short to medium long?). Late 20s. Well known for great service (which I can testify). A pro but in a good way. She rarely approaches guys. Those who want more details can scroll Captain C's praises of her from about a year ago.

    - Alicia. Ro is new in 13 (I think.). I have just just briefly met her. She is described as follows on another forum (rough summary) : "Alicia from "Milan" had long black hair, a luscious ass and bust (C-cup). She comes with a sweet smile and an equally sweet voice in a very charming way. A somewhat broad face. She kisses well. Great BBBJ. CIM and anal available at standard extra costs".

    There has also been a sighting of a girl named Alice on another forum (no description available). Not sure if I have met her (could be, it's a bit blurry). Could be he was thinking about one of the above.
    Thanks for confirming multiple Alicias.

    My session with Alicia C cups (medium long dark hair), ass maybe be luscious to you (a bit big for me), yes face a bit broad, was 4th Sep 2011. Everyone has met her (LOL) as she has been regular for years. Matches most like your Alicia of "Milan" but obviously not from Milan. Probably seemed charming causing me to try her. Not very GFE. BBBJ was poor. Far too fast and powerful for me. I like it slow. Very straight stiff legs to do her utmost to prevent significant penetration. YMMV.

    Anyway, at least I am now certain she is not the Polish one, and most likely from Moldova based on some other reports I have seen.

  5. #12852

    AliciaI, AliciaII and Alice

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Thanks. What you describe does not match the Alicia I know at all. Therefore I am convinced there are two different girls. The one I know is usually commencing early in the day (before I arrive) , darker brown hair, never was slim enough to be a gazelle, probably close to C cups (miles bigger than A+ to B) , and definitely a newbie hunter, and little evidence of many regulars.
    Let's just agree there have been at least two Alicia at Oase in 2013.

    - Alicia. Pl has been around for years being part of the Polish mafia. Goodlooking. A/B cups. Blond/dirty blond (short to medium long?). Late 20s. Well known for great service (which I can testify). A pro but in a good way. She rarely approaches guys. Those who want more details can scroll Captain C's praises of her from about a year ago.

    - Alicia. Ro is new in 13 (I think ...). I have just just briefly met her. She is described as follows on another forum (rough summary): "Alicia from "Milan" had long black hair, a luscious ass and bust (C-cup). She comes with a sweet smile and an equally sweet voice in a very charming way. A somewhat broad face. She kisses well. Great BBBJ. CIM and anal available at standard extra costs".

    There has also been a sighting of a girl named Alice on another forum (no description available). Not sure if I have met her (could be, it's a bit blurry). Could be he was thinking about one of the above.

  6. #12851
    Quote Originally Posted by TankTank123  [View Original Post]
    I considered her a gazelle when I first started off with her 3 years ago. She has grown a small paunch since then, and tits are slightly more enlarged now, probably A+ or small B. Very pretty upturned nose. I have not seen her go hunting for newbies before. She normally sits around with other Poles and a stream of regulars come to her. On quiet days, she will take a slow walk to the kino area and back, and invariably someone will approach her. I estimate I have spent more than €4,000 on her over 3 years, if that is any testimony as to how good her service is!
    Thanks. What you describe does not match the Alicia I know at all. Therefore I am convinced there are two different girls. The one I know is usually commencing early in the day (before I arrive) , darker brown hair, never was slim enough to be a gazelle, probably close to C cups (miles bigger than A+ to B) , and definitely a newbie hunter, and little evidence of many regulars.

  7. #12850

    Name list for early shift on Sunday 18th August

    here is what i can recollect of those present in the morning and afternoon. i left at 6.30pm and would have missed much of the 2nd shift. pardon me if if some details are not fully accurate, as my memory is not that good. i hope this might be of some interest to those wondering what a line up on a mid-august sunday is like.

    alicia (ro). pretty face, but saggy tits hidden in tube top.

    alina 1 (ro). slim pulled-back dark hair, grim look.

    alitia (mol). tanned shapely figure, dark haired.

    amelia (ro). tall, dark-haired, saggy tits.

    andrea (ro). petite blonde, pretty face, nice tits.

    andrea (ro). dark haired, wears corset, plain face with large nose.

    ema (mol). blonde bob hair, curvy, very charming, pestered me no end.

    ivana (ro). very slim, dark hair, no tits, fantastic service always.

    judith (hu). old timer, very slim, green eyes, curly hair.

    lara (ro). slim, dark hair.

    laura (it, so claimed). new, petite, good-shaped blonde, works as a pair with a brunette to shark around.

    lucy (de). old timer, short dark blonde.

    monica (ro). very slim, very long hair, piercing voice, about 3 years here, plain face.

    roxy (bosnian?). model looks, struts around like model too, claims she was a model, very shapely.

    friend of roxy (ro). always with her, pretty also.

    roxanne (ro). short blonde, fleshy at the bottom, messy hair, sharkish and rude to me.

    sandra (ro). blonde, fleshy, about 3 years here, seems nice but too fleshy to attract me.

    tanya (ro). very small, no tits and very small nipples, looks ****d.

    vali (ro or hu). short, short-haired, fleshy, about 3 years here, walks around totally nude.

    victoria (po). blonde, slim, somewhat older than the rest, but with attractive face.

    i do not know the names of the rest:

    short thai girl. talks a lot with the short thai masseuse and lucy (de)

    new romanian. blonde, tall, big boned, wore crimson corset.

    dark-skinned girl. slim and tall.

    short platinum blonde. cute face, was too busy for me to catch.

    short golden blonde with mole on right cheek. looks very cute, but was even more busy. she sharked around with another taller brunette and seemed to find targets very quickly.

    short, straight auburn hair girl. pretty face, too busy also for me to catch.

    milf. plump with corset and handbag. old timer

    a few large-sized girls whom i did not bother to register.

  8. #12849
    Quote Originally Posted by Be Wilder  [View Original Post]
    Day 2.

    Monday.
    Many thanks for the great reports Be Wilder. I have added both reports to the ROD Thread.

  9. #12848
    Quote Originally Posted by Banana Boi  [View Original Post]
    Service wise Polish Alicia would bend over backwards to make her customers happy so your session with her doesn't sound like the same girl. Your physical description could be her she is definitely not a gazelle but facially nice with nice tits. She had lighter brown hair when I last saw her. She usually hung out with the other Polish girls at the bar or the nearby high tables.
    Unfortunately I don't know any Polish girls at all.
    Also I don't notice the Alicia I know, having a string of regulars, more so trying aggressively to grab new customers, so I think surely must be a different one. Seemed to be a friend of Nichole who is not Polish. Both of them often return from room after 10 to 15 minutes.

  10. #12847

    Oase Day 2

    Day 2.

    Monday.

    I woke up around midday having missed the breakfast at Mercure (the hotel itself is clean but fairly basic and comfortable which is all I was looking for) and headed into the nearby small town centre for a late breakfast. It was a nice day so I went for a stroll and I also bought some fruit as the food at Oase is stodgy and if you're planning to spend 10 hours plus or so as I was, it pays to have alternative fodder.

    I arrived mid-afternoon. It was not as busy as the Sunday and there were maybe 50 girls around (I reckon around 70 in total through both shifts). I relaxed on the lounger in the grounds, enjoying the pleasant sunshine and taking in the sights before a girl who I really wanted caught my eye.

    5. Jennifer

    Early 20s, deep tan, long hair brunette with curlyish hair, facially very attractive and soft feminine curves. Claims to be Spanish and was wearing fishnet stockings which I'm a real sucker for.

    Decided to have the session in one of the canopies in the grounds. Lovely blowjob, deep fk, and really enjoyed fucking her in missionary and doggy. Ended up with a HJ. It was a mistake not going to one of the rooms inside as they are far more comfortable.

    Overall a lovely session with a beautiful young woman and it was E50 well spent and I earmarked her for a repeat session.

    6. Selina.

    It started raining heavily which was a shame and all the action moved indoors which was a shame. The plus side is that it reduced the chances of a hottie escaping your attention.

    It was going to be a while before I was ready again and I got talking to Selina. She claims to be half Turkish and half German which she may well be. Slim, brunette in her mid to late 20s and whilst she is not immediately eye catching she grew on me and had a lovely smile (she is also easy to identify as she has a prominent tattoo in Arabic).

    Told her we'd start with a 30 min session but I might make it 1 hour. At the bar when she was getting the key and the towels, I noticed the girl who I thought was Fidan and asked if she was available to join us for a threesome. She said she was fully booked but Selina asked if I wanted another girl. She told me she did full-on lesbian activities with only 2 other girls so I asked her to show me her friends. She brought Cynthia over who I had a disappointing experience with the day before so I politely declined.

    Selina provided a decent enough experience, dfk, good blowie and I went down on her for an age and banged her in a couple of positions but I just couldn't cum. I told her after 30 mins that I had enough and was ready to call it a day but she insisted that we had agreed upon an hour. She seemed to be genuinely under that illusion and given her English was not great and her service and demeanour was pleasant enough, I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt (whilst making a mental note not to mention the possibility of an hour before a session unless I definitely wanted an hour).

    Carried on as before but I just couldn't coax another shot and Selina said the hour was up (though I made it 5-10 mins short). As I knew I wasn't going to cum with her I wasn't too fussed. E100. Decent enough session but wish I had restricted it to a 30 min "fluffer" session.

    7. Marielle.

    So far, my 6 sessions had on the whole been decent but only a couple of outstanding one's (which may be par the course based on the law of averages) but I'm glad to say things improved thereon.

    Marielle is German. Tall, slim, porcelain white skin. Small tits, delicate features and brownish / strawberry blonde hair. Tits small but nicely proportioned to her figure with one of her nipples pierced (as was her clit). She had a friendly, engaging manner and unlike most girls wasn't strolling around approaching would be customers. She said she was a nurse who only works at Oase on Monday and Wednesday. Somehow she seemed classier than the other girls.

    A wonderful raunchy session. She does anal which I didn't partake but DFK, deep throating blow job with ball licking, ate her out with gusto, pussy was reasonably tight and I finished with CIM.

    One of the best E100 I've ever spent! My only regret is that I didn't take her for an hour. During the session I thought about it but her blowie was so good, I couldn't hold out. She was my favourite girl of this trip and cannot recommend her highly enough.

    8. Fidan.

    It was way past midnight and finally the girl who I thought was Fidan became available. Indeed it was her, and she explained that a customer had her all day yesterday and a different regular had her for most of the day today so she could not be with me earlier. Last year she seemed to me to be one of the best looking girls around but she has put on weight but on her face and body. I'm not sure I would have had her if it wasn't for the experience last year but I was sure I would have a wonderful time so I booked her for an hour.

    Her nationality remains a mystery to me as she explained that her and Selina are the only Turkish girls at Oase whereas Selina claimed to be the only Turkish girl. Wherever she's from, she's a wonderful girl and the hour passed so quickly with her instinctively knowing which buttons to press (and lick and suck on). Lots of dfk, great slurpy blowjob, sex in many positions, ditto ro. With some girls, I just have natural sexual chemistry; feel intensely passionate and I lose control and end up sucking on their feet and giving them a rimming. Finished with a HJ.

    Another E100 well spent.

    9. Fidan and Ema.

    I wasn't sure if I had another shot in the locker and could happily have left on a high an gone to bed, but I visit FKKs so rarely, I thought I'd stay until closing to see if it was possible. One girl I had an eye on was a tall, athletic platinum blonde with big fake tits. Her hair was short and there was a touch of Brigitte Nielson about her. With a couple of hundred Euros still to burn, I thought about a 4 girl session consisting of Jennifer, Marielle, Fidan and "Brigitte" but Jennifer and Marielle had already left.

    Unfortunately "Brigitte" and a brunette friend of her were with a customer who took them to the kino. I waited to see if it was going to be a short session but he then took them to a room and it was approaching 330am and time was running out. Decided to have Fidan plus one other. Thought about Veronica but she was curled up and sleeping on a sofa.

    Another blonde (Ema from Moldova) who had propositioned me was definitely a looker. Early 20's, natural blonde, in a long "bob" style, pert features, nice curves was a candidate. Perhaps not immediately eye-catching but she is very attractive. I asked Fidan if she knew her. She said she was new but decided to have the pair of them as I knew with Fidan on board, the session couldn't go wrong. Glad to say I was right, I just lay down and Fidan took control of my left hand side and Ema copied her moves on the right hand side. It was like teacher and pupil. DFK with both, had them both sit on my face whilst the other sucked me off and finished with a HJ. Was about 5 mins to go and Ema was ready to leave but Fidan gave me a shoulder massage to take me to the full 30 mins and seeing her do this, Ema followed suit. A nice touch in contrast to many girls and Ema would do well to take that lesson on board. Its why girls like Fidan are so successful with long term regulars who book them all day and infrequent visitors like me don't forget either. On my visits in 2012 and 2013 there were maybe 150 girls to choose from and it is a testimony to Fidan's skills that I've had 4 sessions with her (or involving her) out of the 14 I've enjoyed at Oase so her attitude has also been to her advantage.

    Overall, despite a couple of annoyances, especially on my first day, it was another wonderful FKK experience and I hope it won't be too long before the next. I like the new layout of Oase albeit the kino should have a partition. I would recommend for long sessions, men take some headache tablets in case they're needed and some fruit or power bars for extra nourishment. For newbies, considering whether to go. JUST GO! Maybe upto a 100 girls on any gien day, most of them 7s or 8s (with the odd 9, a sprinkling of 6s and a few 5s) and depending on where you're coming from it is amazing value. Not too many places like it in the world.

    More importantly, I think management should have a word with girls not to badger customers for tips as I find it annoying and also that they spend the full allotted time with the men in the room unless the man is happy to call it a day after he has cum. There is always an element of luck of the draw when choosing girls, but for newbies, I would say observe the women outside the locker room when men are paying them. A happy looking man and a girl who leaves them with an affectionate peck on the cheek is an indication that it was a good session. I noticed that with Jennifer and Marielle whereas Lara's departing customers seemed a bit glum.

    I left Germany with E100 which tells me I should have had a "fluffer" session to pass some time (I. E. When I knew I wasn't going to cum) on Sunday and an extra girl somewhere in my solo sessions. My only other regrets were not being able to have a session with "Brigette", the dearth of good looking ebony girls (there were several but none of them took my fancy and I really fancied an "ebony and ivory" threesome) or a repeat with Cassandra, Jennifer or Marielle but I guess you need to leave wanting more!

  11. #12846
    Quote Originally Posted by Banana Boi  [View Original Post]
    Service wise Polish Alicia would bend over backwards to make her customers happy so your session with her doesn't sound like the same girl. Your physical description could be her she is definitely not a gazelle but facially nice with nice tits. She had lighter brown hair when I last saw her. She usually hung out with the other Polish girls at the bar or the nearby high tables.
    I considered her a gazelle when I first started off with her 3 years ago. She has grown a small paunch since then, and tits are slightly more enlarged now, probably A+ or small B. Very pretty upturned nose. I have not seen her go hunting for newbies before. She normally sits around with other Poles and a stream of regulars come to her. On quiet days, she will take a slow walk to the kino area and back, and invariably someone will approach her. I estimate I have spent more than €4,000 on her over 3 years, if that is any testimony as to how good her service is!

  12. #12845
    Service wise Polish Alicia would bend over backwards to make her customers happy so your session with her doesn't sound like the same girl. Your physical description could be her she is definitely not a gazelle but facially nice with nice tits. She had lighter brown hair when I last saw her. She usually hung out with the other Polish girls at the bar or the nearby high tables.

  13. #12844

    Alicia's

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Are there two Alicias at Oase? Like one from Poland and another from Chisnau Moldova. I see how people write that Alicia (Pol) is a big favourite but I had a bad session with an Alicia (probably Mol.) a long time back. She has a reasonably good face, good tits maybe C cup, and a bit more voluptuous rather than a gazelle, moderate tanned skin, and often teams up in a tandem shark pair to attack newbies with Nichole maybe. The problem with my session is she would keep her legs very straight and stiff to make it as difficult as possible to get any penetration. Another guy reported her holding his dick and unwilling to let go during sex, ostensibly to prevent condom slipping, but more likely to prevent any significant penetration in my opinion.

    So if there are two well known Alicias, the problem is solved. If not, I'm puzzled.
    Please see my post on 19 August. The Alitia, pronounced Alicia, fits your description very well. She said she was from Chisnau Moldavia. She has been around for some time, but had not appealed to me before as she was more voluptuous than gazelle. But I did not have much of a selection to choose from that day. She did not have a good selection of customers either, so she gave me very good GFE to extend the time. But I was a little kind in my post stating that service was standard. She tried to finish the penetration as quickly as possible. She has also been tracking me for some time as she could quote all my favorites and also knew roughly which months I had come. She even dared to say that she knew she had a chance to snag me that day as the Polish Alicia was not around.

    I had described in my post also of a third Alicia. With super saggy tits hidden in a tube top.

  14. #12843
    Are there two Alicias at Oase? Like one from Poland and another from Chisnau Moldova. I see how people write that Alicia (Pol) is a big favourite but I had a bad session with an Alicia (probably Mol.) a long time back. She has a reasonably good face, good tits maybe C cup, and a bit more voluptuous rather than a gazelle, moderate tanned skin, and often teams up in a tandem shark pair to attack newbies with Nichole maybe. The problem with my session is she would keep her legs very straight and stiff to make it as difficult as possible to get any penetration. Another guy reported her holding his dick and unwilling to let go during sex, ostensibly to prevent condom slipping, but more likely to prevent any significant penetration in my opinion.

    So if there are two well known Alicias, the problem is solved. If not, I'm puzzled.

  15. #12842
    Quote Originally Posted by Be Wilder  [View Original Post]
    Overall, really enjoyed Veronica but Cynthia was just a pest and it didn't feel like a threesome but a one on one with an annoying bystander in the room.
    That's when you send her away and continue on with Veronica. Just say you'll pay her when your done with Veronica, then stay in the room for 3 hours.

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