FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Excess]

If I can add that twice I have found myself in Messe time in two different locations in Germany. Both times - I excused myself from Messe activities and made sure that I had a day for play. Arriving at the FKK's in question very soon after opening, I found that it was very quiet yet with a very full turn-out of somewhat anxious providers. Moral of the story seems to be that the early monger catches all he can handle on Messe day from a nice large selection, if one targets the afternoon. Early evenings and later, it did turn into a zoo making the girls very happy - the players looking to score rather than stand at the bar telling Messe stories less so. Not infallable but worth planning in this direction. I will be doing so next month and will be interested to see if the theory holds up.

[Iseeu]

Iseeu,

Do you speak German and/or other European languages? I found very few girls that spoke more than basic English and my German is basic-weak.

...ain't worth shit :-)

I understand most of what's said in German if it's spoken langsam and even try to read Der Bild when I'm in town (that's the one with the pictures) and listen to the local news channels. I have a hard time putting out long coherent sentences, but I do my best and keep trying. I'm in Germany 3-4 times a month for business, which is where I picked up my minimal skills.

Sometimes we laugh about my screwed up German syntax and pronunciation, which is a conversation picker-upper. I always seek to converse with the women before going to the room as it's more of a turn-on for me if I know something about them,and usually, that effort to get to know her better pays off in the zimmer.

And, it seems that I naturally migrate to some of the more intelligent women, who generally have a better English than my poor imitation German.

[Ortos]

It is well known that the hotel room rates jump like this. You basically cannot get anything within Frankfurt (sometimes not even in Bad Homburg either) during Messe for under 200E/night. That is much too high. If you have a car, you can stay at small towns/villages about 25kms outside FFM for prices like 60E/night. Then you have to commute.

Now Hessen Bub's point about the clubs being over-crowded during Messe and the service levels going down is generally true. And there is the recent "happening" at Palace in January during the big Automotive Messe where so many horny Messe going guys swamped the club that there were lines waiting in the rain to get in. That is the nightmare Messe scenario and one side of the coin.

The other side of the Messe coin: Is that during Messe events there will be all kinds of girls coming from all over Germany to work at the clubs during Messe weeks. The selection can be staggeringly good, compared to non-Messe weeks. And if by chance the numbers of Messe going men do not materialise at the clubs, then you have a great situation where all these girls are there waiting for you and you are like in a candy store thing. That does, in fact happen, when girls/clubs mis-calculate the demand and in fact the clubs are not overly patronised during Messe the way everybody thought they would be. This happened a couple of weeks ago during the last week in January.

So you really have to balance things. But forget about staying in a hotel within Frankfurt during Messe. I spent quite a bit of time pricing even moderately close hotels outside Frankfurt during the 05-10.03.07 Messe and places like the Garni Hotel Roedelheimerhof, which is normally 40E/night, wants 90E/night for the night of 05.03 and a whopping 130E/night for 06-10.03! And this is like a 2-star hotel. Recently I was quoted the price of 70E/night for a Pension Room in central FFM during Messe, and this was a room withOUT shower/WC in the room!

Nevertheless, I found a 3-star place about 20min driving time outside FFM for 60/night during the Messe period, and I am now debating whether to take that offer and gamble that this forthcoming Messe in early March will not produce the sheer numbers of men, but WILL produce lots of girls the way I saw during late Jan.

It will be interesting to see, if I do go during the Messe, whether girls with whom I already have tight GFE sessions --girls who consider me a kind of Regular guest for them, that is-- still offer the level of service they did during non-Messe days. If their service level drops much, it's time to drop them and find new GFEs, eh?

Ortos

[Hessen Bub]

It's not only the hotel prices rising, but also the clubs like Palace and Oase beeing crowded and the service level of the girls going down. I try to avoid convention time in the clubs or be there between early afternoon and leave at around 10pm.

It is only the big conventions and only a certain type of visitors that do have an impact on the clubs, the "Büchermesse" for example was hardly noticed at Palace, but "Automechanica" made guests queue outside.

Hessen Bub

[Chicafan]

Iseeu,

Great report here and on the Living Room thread.

It sounds like you have a lot of conversation with the girls. I'm curious about something. Do you speak German and/or other European languages? I found very few girls that spoke more than basic English and my German is basic-weak. I'm hoping to meet more girls that I do not have a language barrier with this next trip. I had little problem connecting sexually with the girls though so it was still great.

Couldn't find Gabriela or Claudia or Renata or Lizzie or Sophie or Lynette but I found Ines standing at the juncture where the small stairs branches off. Polish, blonde, 27, great figure, smiling eyes hidden behind schoolmarm glasses. I suggested that she find a place to sit and talk, while I got 2 drinks for us. As I'm waiting for the drinks she comes over and asks if I minded waiting, as a customer who had previously taken a rain check had come over and asked her to a room. She was so nice about it that gentleman that I am I said yes. She came back 9 minutes later! "Wow", I said, "that was quick, It won't be so quick with me." We went to sit down and I discovered the sweetest woman, such a nice person, quick to laugh, sly sense of humor. Began to kiss and heavy breath and all that touchy- feely stuff, and attracted an audience- we really weren't doing anything compared to what I had experienced the nigt before in Bernd's but remember there was no couch action going on at all except in the kino. Oase always had a healthy couch action culture. I assume that with the Messe mob scene the women weren't actually taking the time to sit on the couch, so there wasn't much opportunity for couch activity.

[Iseeu]

FWIW, it really is important to plan your days in Frankfurt around their messes(?). Those conventions drive the price of hotel up dramatically. I'm leaving Frankfurt Sunday March 5th and Monday March 6th hotel prices jump from 64E to 199E at Monopol because of a convention that begins. The man at the hotel said these conventions happen as often as every two weeks during some periods. It's only by accident or luck I'm leaving the day before prices go up. For scheduling I'd really like to have a list of when the conventions are in town.

...can be found at http://www.messefrankfurt.com/corpor...frankfurt.html

[Chicafan]

Chicafan,

If you need specific directions, I will repost them, because I know they may be buried somewhere... (Hey, maybe there should be a separate thread dedicated to Driving and Public Transport Directions to Clubs?)

I just found your directions, thanks!

I don't know why you are so down on the Franfurt Hbf area to stay. It is just across the street from major S-bahn and U-bahn stations, which gives you open access to anywhere in Frankfurt. The hotel options there are wider than anywhere else in the city, thus you have the best chance to find the best quality at the best price. But, if you go to, say, Flemmings Hotel Neue Borse next to Palace, you will pay significantly more Euros/night than at, say, the Excelsior and the like...

I don't mean to sound down on the train station area and will be just fine there. For about $15US more I can stay at the Monopol which seems much nicer and is also by the train station. And yes, the Flemings at Palace is 120E plus tax. No thanks, I'll use the extra money to session.

FWIW, it really is important to plan your days in Frankfurt around their messes(?). Those conventions drive the price of hotel up dramatically. I'm leaving Frankfurt Sunday March 5th and Monday March 6th hotel prices jump from 64E to 199E at Monopol because of a convention that begins. The man at the hotel said these conventions happen as often as every two weeks during some periods. It's only by accident or luck I'm leaving the day before prices go up. For scheduling I'd really like to have a list of when the conventions are in town.

[Ortos]

Chicafan,

Oase is located about a 25 minute drive north of Frankfurt. It is actually not too far from the town of Bad Homburg. The Oase club can be accessed via public transport + taxi. If you need specific directions, I will repost them, because I know they may be buried somewhere... (Hey, maybe there should be a separate thread dedicated to Driving and Public Transport Directions to Clubs?)

I don't know why you are so down on the Franfurt Hbf area to stay. It is just across the street from major S-bahn and U-bahn stations, which gives you open access to anywhere in Frankfurt. The hotel options there are wider than anywhere else in the city, thus you have the best chance to find the best quality at the best price. But, if you go to, say, Flemmings Hotel Neue Borse next to Palace, you will pay significantly more Euros/night than at, say, the Excelsior and the like...

Ortos

[Hessen Bub]

About two weeks ago, the little Dominicana (she is enthusiastic, has a somewhat big belly, is short, and not the youngest chick at Palace) had sex with a bloke on the couches along the wall next to where the motorcycle used to be - very unusual...

That's "Ich ficke Deinen Arsch mit Zunge"-Kim. (I'll fuck your ass with my tongue). Not my kindagirl. But nice to talk to. ;-)

Hessen Bub

[Jackyo]

Then again who's counting. My point is that the emphasis on coming is not what makes or breaks a session for me and I've reached the point in my life and mongering career, in which I am just as happy to spend quality GFE time with a woman that I'm clicking with and the mutual caressing and pleasure haze are far more important. I had a number of hour and longer FKK sessions that week in which I could have gone for another pop, but preferred the post-coital time, lingering in each other's arms to stretch out the orgasmic high.
Actually, I did have multiple pops during my long sessions with Ines at Oase and Princess in Bernd's and only counted each of those once in my summary- so my actual pops score was 20 for the 3 days.

At my age, I'm not counting any more.

In some instances its minutes of poking combined with langurous lounging and then maybe renewed poking if I'm in the mood.

But as I've wondered to myself: is it still sex if its just poking around without coming?

What ever it is, its still enjoyable and recreational. And in the company of the right woman, the post-coital time can be just as cool as the actual time trying to build into a frenzied climax.

I've encountered lots of women who are concerned if you don't come though.

I once had a session at Cocoon with this blonde Turkish woman, Melek. I don't like being rushed and I didn't want her to think I was being cheap so as usual I booked a double session.

I came once and we were just lying there enjoying the time together. She, however, insists that since I booked a double session that I had to come twice. So she chases me around the room while I try to fend her off while trying to convince her that yes, indeed, I am quite satisfied and its actually okay for us just to lie there together.

Eventually she gave up.

I haven't seen Melek since. She actually had worked as an au pair in Los Angeles and she said she spoke English. I never tested it though as I never speak English to the women at these clubs.

[Chicafan]

Is Oase in the immediate Frankfurt area? I looked through the thread for my answer but there's 85 pages and Palace's map doesn't tell me much.

I want to go to Oase on a Thursday then Palace on Friday & Saturday, then back to Oase on Sunday. I have been to World and to me it's a long way and a hassle, time consuming, and expensive from Hbf so I'm trying to get a feel for what kind of jaunt it is from main area of Frankfurt to Oase.

Hotels- The one night I've been to Frankfurt I stayed at the Excelsior by the Hbf and though it was prices right at 55E I don't know if I can stand four nights in that area. I'm planning to be in Frankfurt four nights. If you have any suggestions on where to stay to make the city more interesting please let me know.

[Harry Dude]

At World, I have seen and had public action in in the relax area downstairs, but it's not the norm, and there is also some in the kino.

Same here, I have had sex downstairs at World, and it did attract a bit of attention since it is not that common.

At Palace, I only recall seeing public action in the kino, but I haven't been there in a while.

About two weeks ago, the little Dominicana (she is enthusiastic, has a somewhat big belly, is short, and not the youngest chick at Palace) had sex with a bloke on the couches along the wall next to where the motorcycle used to be - very unusual...

[Iseeu]

.. is always Bernds in matters relating to public action.

I agree. There is certainly public action going on in the Kinos at Oase and Palace and even for that matter at World and it exceeds that which you will find at several large NRW clubs where nothing takes place in the open at all.

Its just not "in your face" public action and this is the reason I say that its sparse.

I have had sex with women at World's Kino but I'd hardly characterize it as "out-in-the-open-with-all-the-lights-on-and-I don't-care-if-anyone-is watching" sex. Lighting in that Kino is subdued and its intention is not to provide full public viewing.

I'd describe it as public sex with mood lighting (the flicker of the Kino screen).

For fully exhibitionistic sex, I visit a PT or Bernds. The smaller Duesseldorf clubs such as Blue Note also offer more public action (and I'm not talking about couch action but full live sex).

...is the best of the Hessen 3. On good nights, there will be some couch action in the lounges, although since the seating arrangement is spread out, viewing this may be challenging. As has been noted here, there is alot of public action in the Oase kino, with decent viewing angles if that's your thing, and the round beds up front under the screen are in regular use (I know them well.)
At World, I have seen and had public action in in the relax area downstairs, but it's not the norm, and there is also some in the kino.
At Palace, I only recall seeing public action in the kino, but I haven't been there in a while.
Bernd's is certainly the benchmark, and the intimate seating arrangements both downstairs and upstairs make for excellent viewing as well as opportunity for audience participation, critique, and humorous commentary, and very often while in the midst of the act the SP or even the customer will be trading barbs with the audience. You will also see both women and men openly fondling themselves in public. In fact for many of the women stroking their private parts while lying in the couch gash open is a form of advertising, a means of bringing attention to themselves.
At any of the Hessen clubs, this would be a big thing. At Bernd's it almost goes unnoticed.

[Iseeu]

... this record is easily surpassed.

My record is fourteen sessions with eight women (several were repeats) in one day. That was at a Partytreff.

I have to admit that I don't come all of the time. Or more precisely: I CAN'T come all of the time.

Our distinguished colleague, Svenfkk, comes each time, he says.

...and I came each time. I only provided a count of women that I'd been with, as part of my trip summary and stats, not to boast of my own "amazing" libido.
Other than my evening at Beverly all of the sessions were FKK sessions which I find more personal than PT sessions. I had additional sessions at Beverly in which I didn't finish which i didn't count in my trip summary.

Then again who's counting. My point is that the emphasis on coming is not what makes or breaks a session for me and I've reached the point in my life and mongering career, in which I am just as happy to spend quality GFE time with a woman that I'm clicking with and the mutual caressing and pleasure haze are far more important. I had a number of hour and longer FKK sessions that week in which I could have gone for another pop, but preferred the post-coital time, lingering in each other's arms to stretch out the orgasmic high.
Actually, I did have multiple pops during my long sessions with Ines at Oase and Princess in Bernd's and only counted each of those once in my summary- so my actual pops score was 20 for the 3 days.

[Rockford]

Was at Oase this week.

Girls:Boys ratio was at least 2:1 , which did not please girls, but me.

Went with German girl, blond, mid twenty, about an 8

Great BBBJ, nice action, eager to please.

Can highly recommend Oase!