FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[ExpatLover]

Well, some forums who solely exist on the premise of discussing Bareback are still in existance. Entertaining or not, they have an audience.

Does that make it easier for authorities to go after those guys "breaking the rules"? Of course, this makes it trivially easy. But will forums like that cease to exist. I think not. That said, a little reporting about BBBJ here on this board may not be the smartest move but it doesn't relevantly factor into the problem. As long as ISG has no policy on it, I guess, we cannot forbid anyone to say it out loud.

Establishing some kind of code would be better, maybe, but who will becone the codemaster?

Are the authorities willing to go against BBBJ obviously not, it is just not the target of the new law, don t mix fantasy and reality, the girls can do what they want as long they are registered and paying the income taxes which will strongly increase for most of the girls.

[Massimo Potente]

What do you think about guys posting that they have done bare back full sex in the club where they have done so? That would be entertaining for readers wouldn't it?

Well, some forums who solely exist on the premise of discussing Bareback are still in existance. Entertaining or not, they have an audience.

Does that make it easier for authorities to go after those guys "breaking the rules"? Of course, this makes it trivially easy. But will forums like that cease to exist. I think not. That said, a little reporting about BBBJ here on this board may not be the smartest move but it doesn't relevantly factor into the problem. As long as ISG has no policy on it, I guess, we cannot forbid anyone to say it out loud.

Establishing some kind of code would be better, maybe, but who will becone the codemaster?

[Turgid]

It's not a question of rights. Nobody is forcefully taking away rights. What is being suggested is that, in fact, self-censorship lowers the value of the board, helps make effective a law that otherwise has no teeth, and ultimately makes such services harder and more expensive to acquire. Those who think posting about BB services is bad for the hobby are wrong. In fact it's not posting about BB services that chips away at the hobby. Ditto for those suggesting only bachkchanneling via messaging.

What do you think about guys posting that they have done bare back full sex in the club where they have done so? That would be entertaining for readers wouldn't it?

[ExpatLover]

Everyone has freedom of choice. Guys should be free to post all of their BBBJ experiences for the reading pleasure of other mongers. Feel free to name the girls who give you BBBJ. Also feel free to state that such and such club encourages their girls to do BBBJ. I will enjoy reading them for I will know which girls to go to for BBBJ and also which clubs I can expect more BBBJs from. I will read but I won't report accordingly.

Fully online, in Shark or Oase BBBJ is available as before the 1st July, no issue with 90% of the girls mostly included in a hour session sometimes in a 50 euro one. Of course if you go with Brenda for her everything is extra even touching her breast, she has too many asian guys that she is cheating so much. Usually if you choose a average good looking girl you will get far better experience that with the stars who usually are over fucked and not eager to invest in the relation. They prefer one time customer, paying a lot just because they want to fuck a ISG forum Star.

[ExpatLover]

Plenty of stories of girls being reported by other girls that they do bareback that lead to them getting fired. See reports of Ariana from Sharks in October 2017. Someone on the board wrote that she provided bareback, other girls spread the rumors, she was subsequently fired.

Lucy at Palace Febuary 2017 reported here for being super hot and providing good service 50euro rooms, a unicorn at Palace, 2 weeks later was pressured to withhold services by Palace girls.

Current reports of Mainhattain mafia girls reporting new good service girls for bbbj and suggesting bareback was provided.

Point is, its a taboo topic in the club environment and youre attaching specific girls to those topics. Girls are aware, they surely have shown that they can use it as a tool against other girls in various ways. Just chill out for a while longer until the culture reveals itself.

We all know that the target of many girls especially the oldest one is to give the less possible and to earn the most possible, fortunately there are also girls willing to please and giving good service but those girls are targeted by the mafia groups of veteran one putting them pressure to lower their services and increase their prices. In clubs like World the management has a better control of the things and girls but in Oase or Shark they completely let the girls control everything but we clearly see in which direction both clubs are going.

Less and less senior mongers, more and more tourists and guys with migration background, yesterday at Shark it was a good example what a FKK club should not be.

[Rogue Nation]

in fact, self-censorship ...., helps make effective a law that otherwise has no teeth, and ultimately makes such services harder and more expensive to acquire.

That's just wrong. It has worked perfectly over the last 20 years on German boards in regards to BB services in the clubs. It's not self-censorship, it is precaution to ensure those services in the future.

[Takedown]

Only causes problems? Show us some evidence of that. Without that, and in a quantity to be significant, it's speculation.

Wait until heat dissipates? What heat? It's been months and months. How much waiting is enough?

And in response to some other posts.

Of course everyone has the "right" to post as they want. (Although local management here has *objected* to guys posting that BB services should not be posted about.).

It's not a question of rights. Nobody is forcefully taking away rights. What is being suggested is that, in fact, self-censorship lowers the value of the board, helps make effective a law that otherwise has no teeth, and ultimately makes such services harder and more expensive to acquire. Those who think posting about BB services is bad for the hobby are wrong. In fact it's not posting about BB services that chips away at the hobby. Ditto for those suggesting only bachkchanneling via messaging.

Plenty of stories of girls being reported by other girls that they do bareback that lead to them getting fired. See reports of Ariana from Sharks in October 2017. Someone on the board wrote that she provided bareback, other girls spread the rumors, she was subsequently fired.

Lucy at Palace Febuary 2017 reported here for being super hot and providing good service 50euro rooms, a unicorn at Palace, 2 weeks later was pressured to withhold services by Palace girls.

Current reports of Mainhattain mafia girls reporting new good service girls for bbbj and suggesting bareback was provided.

Point is, its a taboo topic in the club environment and you're attaching specific girls to those topics. Girls are aware, they surely have shown that they can use it as a tool against other girls in various ways. Just chill out for a while longer until the culture reveals itself.

[Neurosynth]

Posting about BBBJ at a club in general may or may not have repercussions but mentioning specific girls right now only causes problems, either for her with the club or her with other girls who want to upsell. Better to be vague and not kiss and tell all of the details, at least until the heat dissipates. But for the sake of the good provider, perhaps you shouldnt rat her out for literally all the world to see.

Only causes problems? Show us some evidence of that. Without that, and in a quantity to be significant, it's speculation.

Wait until heat dissipates? What heat? It's been months and months. How much waiting is enough?

And in response to some other posts.

Of course everyone has the "right" to post as they want. (Although local management here has *objected* to guys posting that BB services should not be posted about.).

It's not a question of rights. Nobody is forcefully taking away rights. What is being suggested is that, in fact, self-censorship lowers the value of the board, helps make effective a law that otherwise has no teeth, and ultimately makes such services harder and more expensive to acquire. Those who think posting about BB services is bad for the hobby are wrong. In fact it's not posting about BB services that chips away at the hobby. Ditto for those suggesting only bachkchanneling via messaging.

[Takedown]

Ok, ok I'll share with you and others via pm. Now stop pouting.

Call it Reprimanding rather than pouting. Lost in text.

[Turgid]

Way to think like a WG. Short term only and only of self. No thought on preserving a good thing and causing issues with good providers, thus screwing her over, others, and yourself in the long run. How hard is it to PM and keep the names out of general circulation for the world to see. But yes freedom of speech comes with freedom to be a selfish prick.

Ok, ok I'll share with you and others via pm. Now stop pouting.

[ExpatLover]

Made a change to Oase for Thursday of this trip.

The line up for me was hot.

There was a lot of guys. Maybe they are the early guys for the Messe come to set up and do meetings before the conference days. Asians and Turks.

I saw pretty Cosmina looking petite pale blonde Eileen go with a small old black guy. Kinky. I like seeing pale blonde slim pretty girls go with big meaty black men bang white chicks. The black dude lasted in and out the door in 15 minutes tops as I had the clock on the man.

The rooms were busy so there was waits for the rooms.

Hardly any German House Guests.

Just Italian, Ottoman and East Asians. English was the language to communicate.

The line up was to my liking. A nice change to the Sharks line up that is getting stale..

Are you a shareholder of Oase, or simply the manager? Visited Oase 100+ times and I just can say that the club is on a strong downstream, upsell with most of the girls, also some girls quite aggressive mostly working the day shift, staff is a real nightmare so unfriendly, some days the LU is great but never a girl will stay 10 minutes more in the room with me.

[ExpatLover]

Apologies for continuing this off topic discussion, but I can't resist saying you have made, for me, the perfect principle.

Everybody here has a defensible rationale for their posting approach.

I find the balance of what to report difficult, especially when girls have specifically asked me not to report on compliance or non-compliance with legal requirements. They said that they feared the authorities might close their club down. There was enough worry for one to send me a middle of the night message. Just an anecdote from my limited experience, drawing no conclusions.

I don't suggest they are right, but clearly they were fearful, rightly or wrongly.

The police will close a club because of messages on a forum, no sorry they need evidences to go to the court to get a judgment deciding to close and not only rumors on internet. Who saw any official control of the usage or not of condom since the 1st July, sorry I was so often in the clubs and saw nothing, not 1 policeman and I know why it is just not the target of the new law, the target is to get a exhaustive database of all the prostitutes in Germany, to make them pay more income tax, and to control their capital transfer to mostly Romania. Just let us imagine the custom officer in the airports have access to this database it will be so easy for them to specifically check those girls to see if they are not carrying more than 10000 euros, same possibilities on the borders. What I am saying seems completely unrealistic, let us be pragmatic this will happen obviously it is just a matter of time.

[Rogue Nation]

Way to think like a WG. Short term only and only of self. No thought on preserving a good thing and causing issues with good providers, thus screwing her over, others, and yourself in the long run. How hard is it to PM and keep the names out of general circulation for the world to see. But yes freedom of speech comes with freedom to be a selfish prick.

Fully agree. I don't get the rationale behind shouting out loud which club is allowing illegal practices.

[Takedown]

Everyone has freedom of choice. Guys should be free to post all of their BBBJ experiences for the reading pleasure of other mongers. Feel free to name the girls who give you BBBJ. Also feel free to state that such and such club encourages their girls to do BBBJ. I will enjoy reading them for I will know which girls to go to for BBBJ and also which clubs I can expect more BBBJs from. I will read but I won't report accordingly.

Way to think like a WG. Short term only and only of self. No thought on preserving a good thing and causing issues with good providers, thus screwing her over, others, and yourself in the long run. How hard is it to PM and keep the names out of general circulation for the world to see. But yes freedom of speech comes with freedom to be a selfish prick.

[Turgid]

The "don't post" guys have lost the plot and are not making any sense anymore. Some of these guys will go to their graves with anger "I told them not to post about BBBJ and they would n't listen to me"....

Take just one club Oase; do the math. Roughly 80 girls on average daily, and say 5 blow jobs per day per girl. Conservative estimates. That is 400 per day, and in one month equates to 12 K. Cut it to 10 K to be even more conservative. In the 7 months since the law passed, that is at least 70 K blow jobs at one single big club like Oase.

Do this same math all across the land, you are looking at several million blow jobs in clubs alone. Not to mention, RLDs, Street walkers.....

For the don't post crowd to be harking on a few incidents and trying to establish some sort of feeble connection or cause and effect relationship between our comments here to whatever bad stuff they think happened is stretching the boundaries of credulity.

Everyone has freedom of choice. Guys should be free to post all of their BBBJ experiences for the reading pleasure of other mongers. Feel free to name the girls who give you BBBJ. Also feel free to state that such and such club encourages their girls to do BBBJ. I will enjoy reading them for I will know which girls to go to for BBBJ and also which clubs I can expect more BBBJs from. I will read but I won't report accordingly.