FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Mursenary]

The wrist bands would be so great. Don't have the coin for the black belt? Take the yellow belt instead. No guessing. No negotiation. Would be great to have a "price" wristband on one arm and a "performance" wrist band on the other arm. You can now decide based off her looks, price, and performance at a glance. Guessing I'm just dreaming but that sounds perfect.

Would be curious to see a real world environment where western women would be willing to dorn a garmet that tags her as being worth less than the girl standing right next to her.

[The Cane]

You make some great points and I like your apples analogy and agree fixed price is much better than negotiating and honestly I have an easier time telling and apple vendor his apples are overpriced than telling a girl her pussy isn't worth 100! LOL.
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You are right that having different clubs accomplishes this to some extent. We all know Globe is premium. And it looks like Scandallo on the CDS is headed that way. And perhaps Sharks to some extent as well and thus the consternation.

The wrist bands would be so great. Don't have the coin for the black belt? Take the yellow belt instead. No guessing. No negotiation. Would be great to have a "price" wristband on one arm and a "performance" wrist band on the other arm. You can now decide based off her looks, price, and performance at a glance. Guessing I'm just dreaming but that sounds perfect.

But think about it from the girls' point of view though. Do you think that they want to walk around with different colored wristbands indicating that some of them are "luxury" while others are cheap "beaters"? May work well with inanimate objects like cars, but not so much with people with emotions and feelings looking to compete for business and make some money.

[Steve 9696]

You addressed a very essence of German, or Central European mindset. Of course, we accept the fact that fancier things cost more than less fancy. But that does not prevent us from hating price discussions, bargaining, haggling. When we are buying apples on the market, we want a clear price tag. We don't want to live in the society where everything, from said apples to logging prices, to whatever else depends on our negotiating skills. Of course, there are better and word apples, but then put one in the first basked and others in the other one. And mark the first one 5 EUR per kilo and the second one 2 EUR per kilo, does not matter, but we want to know how much is it.

Now consider a FKK sauna club as a place of relaxation, pure enjoy and carelessness. One of the first things we don't want in such a place is to negotiate for a price. The best times in our clubs was in early 2000, when Polish girls mostly prevailed. Then Romanians came, and the fixed price structure started to break down. Nov, after Covid, it is even worse.

So, how do you think to make your system work? One solution could be to have more categories of clubs, which is in fact already in place. So Sharks, Oase and Palace would be Group A (180 EUR / hour), Artemis, Living Rooms, Goldentime Group be (120 EUR / hour) and some clubs in Offenbach or elsewhere Group see (80/ hour).

The second approach could be girls wearing colored bracelets. Top girls black, medium yellow and the cheapest green. Let's call it Jamaika scheme.

Any other ideas?

You make some great points and I like your apples analogy and agree fixed price is much better than negotiating — and honestly I have an easier time telling and apple vendor his apples are overpriced than telling a girl her pussy isn't worth €100! LOL.

You are right that having different clubs accomplishes this to some extent. We all know Globe is premium. And it looks like Scandallo on the CDS is headed that way. And perhaps Sharks to some extent as well and thus the consternation.

The wrist bands would be so great. Don't have the coin for the black belt? Take the yellow belt instead. No guessing. No negotiation. Would be great to have a "price" wristband on one arm and a "performance" wrist band on the other arm. You can now decide based off her looks, price, and performance at a glance. Guessing I'm just dreaming but that sounds perfect.

[Sirioja]

All perfectly valid points and well made. It is clear that you don't mind paying more (e. G. Globe) but you want clarity. A fixed price which is known, so that the girls don't barter and the awkward debate about money (which can kill the mood) is unnecessary. And I cannot argue about that. What is clear then is that the larger clubs should follow the rules of the smaller clubs and insist on fixed prices. I suppose they must worry then that girls might retaliate by maybe leaving the club and reporting it to the police that the club is really employing girls as it can control their price. Which it could not do if the girls were truly independent. But this doesn't seem to stop some clubs enforcing prices. All a bit of a mess. I have to say that the service I have had in Sharks and Oase over the years has been consistently good and on par with UK, Spain, Dubai. But it is dreaming to expect all men to follow one code. That very same problem is causing my favourite club in Malaga (New Scandalos) to become out of range for a lot of guys. Previously it was 160/ hour plus 10 e for sheets for the room. The clientele was from all over Europe and some US. Suddenly in the past year there is a huge influx of mainly very rich Moroccan guys (no problem with that per se) but they turn up in Ferraris etc and the prices jumped to 250/ hour plus 30 for sheets. I discussed with the (nice) management that this is killing the club for longstanding customers. Answer. Sorry but things change and now these prices are nothing to the new breed of clientele so why would we reduce? Charming. So your points are valid as there must be some risk of that being repeated in some clubs in Germany. I hope not.

I don't agree to pay Globe rate for now average looks even Zurich is expensive. I prefer to pay 100/60 but can pay 150 for high level in bed very beautiful in Germany rather than 260/60 for porn dolls average looks at Globe. Anywhere, Vanquish will always worth more expensive than Prius for me, when I don t care about club, but only girl with who I have pleasure.

[Maxime]

Of course it is ok to pay more for a Mercedes then for a Dacia (is it coincidence it is from Romania? &#128526, and with material goods it is also ok to do some negotation, both on the Merc as on the Dacia!

However, FKK tries to sell us an physical / emotional illusion, and negotiation of a price is not part of that illusion (it even takes it away, at least for me). The fact that you sit next to a beautiful girl, kiss her, go to have sex, and only AFTER all of that, you pay her (the standard, non-negotiated price), is much better for the illusion then first hassling about price (or even worse: pay in advance), etc.

Some DFK pre-sales in the bar is certainly also part of that illusion (happens rarely anymore in the tourist clubs, happily still done in the real service clubs). In some clubs (Babylon, Bernds, etc), you did NOT pay the girls directly, but at the end of the day to the club, so no direct financial transaction between you and the girls, that made the illusion even stronger! Pity that is not possibly anymore (because of legal reasons).

A system where girls wear colored armwrests, with indicates the included standard service (DFK, BBBJ, etc) and the price level, would be a good idea. Then you can sit next to a girl with the right color for you and go for it! Especially if the girls with lower colored service try to improve (to earn more) or leave!

[Mathias037]

It's like clockwork that the price debate will come up every few weeks it seems. If we put aside for a second what the supposed "right" price is, why do people continuously argue that there should be one fixed price for all girls the top and the bottom all priced the same?

You addressed a very essence of German, or Central European mindset. Of course, we accept the fact that fancier things cost more than less fancy. But that does not prevent us from hating price discussions, bargaining, haggling. When we are buying apples on the market, we want a clear price tag. We don't want to live in the society where everything, from said apples to logging prices, to whatever else depends on our negotiating skills. Of course, there are better and word apples, but then put one in the first basked and others in the other one. And mark the first one 5 EUR per kilo and the second one 2 EUR per kilo, does not matter, but we want to know how much is it.

Now consider a FKK sauna club as a place of relaxation, pure enjoy and carelessness. One of the first things we don't want in such a place is to negotiate for a price. The best times in our clubs was in early 2000, when Polish girls mostly prevailed. Then Romanians came, and the fixed price structure started to break down. Nov, after Covid, it is even worse.

So, how do you think to make your system work? One solution could be to have more categories of clubs, which is in fact already in place. So Sharks, Oase and Palace would be Group A (180 EUR / hour), Artemis, Living Rooms, Goldentime Group be (120 EUR / hour) and some clubs in Offenbach or elsewhere Group see (80/ hour).

The second approach could be girls wearing colored bracelets. Top girls black, medium yellow and the cheapest green. Let's call it Jamaika scheme.

Any other ideas?

[Mursenary]

It's like clockwork that the price debate will come up every few weeks it seems. If we put aside for a second what the supposed "right" price is, why do people continuously argue that there should be one fixed price for all girls the top and the bottom all priced the same?

Because that has been the FKK model for decades, price transparency and at a bargain, very German.

Resisting the change, a 150% to 200% change, especially those being touted by foreigners in another man's land would be perfectly expected and warranted.

[Steve 9696]

It's like clockwork that the price debate will come up every few weeks it seems. If we put aside for a second what the supposed "right" price is, why do people continuously argue that there should be one fixed price for all girls — the top and the bottom — all priced the same?

We surely don't argue this in other markets. Luxury goods command a premium and common goods a lesser price. Would we really argue that a luxury Mercedes should be priced the same as a common Volkswagen? Sure it would be nice. And much nicer for those that can't afford a nice Mercedes normally, than for those that can. But it makes no sense. Everyone would buy the Mercedes leading to a shortage (or they would go sell in markets willing to pay a premium) and poor Volkswagen would never sell any cars. With a price difference both will sell cars and everyone at least gets something that fits their budget. (And sure the Volkswagen owners will be envious. Welcome to the world!

I guess I am a capitalist at heart and have the funds to buy the Mercedes (though I don't own one) but the above makes sense to me. Where is the logic flaw when applied to FKK.

[Maxime]

All perfectly valid points and well made. It is clear that you don't mind paying more (e. G. Globe) but you want clarity. A fixed price which is known, so that the girls don't barter and the awkward debate about money (which can kill the mood) is unnecessary.

Indeed, that is my main concern: it kills the mood enormously to have a debate about money with the girl you just fucked (or worse: are about to fuck).

In the end, it is a market of supply and demand, so if in Hessen a correct price is Euro 100/30 or 150/60, ok, but make it a rule then, and no more discussion.

Want to go to Spain also to visit a club, is it still worthwihle (giving looks and service of the girls)? Better then Germany and even CH or on par or worse?

[The Cane]

All perfectly valid points and well made. So your points are valid as there must be some risk of that being repeated in some clubs in Germany. I hope not.

Which means that my next trip to Germany very well may be my last. I don't care, since I will still have my number 1 Brazil, which as of now remains quite affordable for me.

[PayForIt]

So true, but since many men are weak, the accept willingly the price increase. If most men would refuse, the girls will adopt accordingly. In clubs where there are strict pricing rules (like in Babylon, RTCs, Globe, etc), a girl who bends the (pricing) rules too much, will be sent home. And yes, I rather pay the standard price of 140 CHF in Globe, and do NOT to have to negotiate with a girl, then have a nasty discussion with a girl in Sharks about 50 euro extra above the standard price. SO I don't care about the absolute price perse, but about having clear standard rules and pricing, to avoid any golddigger and princess bahviour (as commonly seen in Sharks, Oase, etc). And yes, of course the girls are "independent workers", but that is only true for the law as most of you guys know 😎.

That's what I ment with tourist traps: in clubs with many (overseas) tourists, who were used to pay US $ 100 for only a lousy lapdance, they are willing to pay Euro 200 or more for sex, understandable. But it is one of the reasons many (larger) clubs in Germany the (service) quality of the girls decreased rapidly and the price increased. When ALL men would not accept this, the club would be empty, but a pity the flesh is weak.

All perfectly valid points and well made. It is clear that you don't mind paying more (e. G. Globe) but you want clarity. A fixed price which is known, so that the girls don't barter and the awkward debate about money (which can kill the mood) is unnecessary. And I cannot argue about that. What is clear then is that the larger clubs should follow the rules of the smaller clubs and insist on fixed prices. I suppose they must worry then that girls might retaliate by maybe leaving the club and reporting it to the police that the club is really employing girls as it can control their price. Which it could not do if the girls were truly independent. But this doesn't seem to stop some clubs enforcing prices. All a bit of a mess. I have to say that the service I have had in Sharks and Oase over the years has been consistently good and on par with UK, Spain, Dubai. But it is dreaming to expect all men to follow one code. That very same problem is causing my favourite club in Malaga (New Scandalos) to become out of range for a lot of guys. Previously it was 160/ hour plus 10 e for sheets for the room. The clientele was from all over Europe and some US. Suddenly in the past year there is a huge influx of mainly very rich Moroccan guys (no problem with that per se) but they turn up in Ferraris etc and the prices jumped to 250/ hour plus 30 for sheets. I discussed with the (nice) management that this is killing the club for longstanding customers. Answer. Sorry but things change and now these prices are nothing to the new breed of clientele so why would we reduce? Charming. So your points are valid as there must be some risk of that being repeated in some clubs in Germany. I hope not.

[Sirioja]

So true, but since many men are weak, the accept willingly the price increase. If most men would refuse, the girls will adopt accordingly. In clubs where there are strict pricing rules (like in Babylon, RTCs, Globe, etc), a girl who bends the (pricing) rules too much, will be sent home. And yes, I rather pay the standard price of 140 CHF in Globe, and do NOT to have to negotiate with a girl, then have a nasty discussion with a girl in Sharks about 50 euro extra above the standard price. SO I don't care about the absolute price perse, but about having clear standard rules and pricing, to avoid any golddigger and princess bahviour (as commonly seen in Sharks, Oase, etc). And yes, of course the girls are "independent workers", but that is only true for the law as most of you guys know 😎.

That's what I ment with tourist traps: in clubs with many (overseas) tourists, who were used to pay US $ 100 for only a lousy lapdance, they are willing to pay Euro 200 or more for sex, understandable. But it is one of the reasons many (larger) clubs in Germany the (service) quality of the girls decreased rapidly and the price increased. When ALL men would not accept this, the club would be empty, but a pity the flesh is weak.

Not many US or Asians in Hessen on 2021. What about paying 150/60 for a prettier and more fresh in bed girl than most Globe girls when you pay 260/60 for them? I don't care about Globe or Sharks, I just judge the girl level, but of course I m very happy I got a more elegant natural than Globe girls now for 100/60 for full GFE.

[Maxime]

If every man does that, their union won't last long. They need your money more than you need their services.

Blame the meddling politicos for enabling these greedy tutes! With the change in the law requiring CBJs, the standard price shot up immediately to 150 euros per hour. If you want a BBBJ, then this is what you must pay. The only way it could have been avoided is if mongers refused en masse, but they did not. Instead, they were weak and paid up! This is the reality.

So true, but since many men are weak, the accept willingly the price increase. If most men would refuse, the girls will adopt accordingly. In clubs where there are strict pricing rules (like in Babylon, RTCs, Globe, etc), a girl who bends the (pricing) rules too much, will be sent home. And yes, I rather pay the standard price of 140 CHF in Globe, and do NOT to have to negotiate with a girl, then have a nasty discussion with a girl in Sharks about 50 euro extra above the standard price. SO I don't care about the absolute price perse, but about having clear standard rules and pricing, to avoid any golddigger and princess bahviour (as commonly seen in Sharks, Oase, etc). And yes, of course the girls are "independent workers", but that is only true for the law as most of you guys know 😎.

I don't disagree but then you must factor tourist value into that equation. If every local person who frequents in Germany did that maybe you would see them reduce. But the notion that someone (like me) funds flights, hotels, taxis, entrance fees, etc for a 3-5 day trip, costing well over 1500, is going to risk not having a single room other than with unattractive older or overweight girls, just to lend support to paying 100/60, is, respectfully, fanciful, and unrealistic. By the time a tourist has invested time, travel, these days the long list of administrative burdens, documents, locator forms, vaccination certificates, Mr tourist wants to have his monies worth and a lot of fun with pretty girls. And therefore making a hardened stance is just not worth it. I'm all for not paying over the top, and always negotiate, but without risking losing a room with a girl I really like. And then spending months if not longer wandering what she would have been like, and wishing I had been more willing to pay. I have been in that boat. Not nice and I now ensure I avoid it. If that means paying a bit more, so be it.

That's what I ment with tourist traps: in clubs with many (overseas) tourists, who were used to pay US $ 100 for only a lousy lapdance, they are willing to pay Euro 200 or more for sex, understandable. But it is one of the reasons many (larger) clubs in Germany the (service) quality of the girls decreased rapidly and the price increased. When ALL men would not accept this, the club would be empty, but a pity the flesh is weak.

[Sirioja]

I've shared many of the same regulars as you such as GT Kate, Globe Kate, Megan, Ariana, Katea etc. Kity was fine. So my tastes are just on par with your standards. Some of us are just able to find great features in more than the same old rigid expectations day in and day out.

Want to pay 150/ HR, go to Amsterdam windows.

Had many 100/60 good rooms on this Summer, even with German Daisi who was not the prettiest nor best in bed. Only 1 for 150 and I judged she did worth, compare to tattooed brunette close to German table and restaurant, or long time Cosmina, not same fresh look. Will You be at bottom of Verbier on Saturday? Or I have more interesting and difficult Mortirolo and Loze to be faster than 3 times world champion Sagan. After 3 Stelvio on last week end, body is a bit tired, but no anemia like on last Summer and passion is growing, I want my 25 highest ranked in 2 months for my great Summer. And my belly is so much better now.

[Mursenary]

With respect, you need to seriously get in line with the true prices in Spain. Which you quote as a comparator. I have been in Madrid, Malaga, Fuengirola and Campamento in the past 6 weeks. Madrid. Club Vive. No entry fee. Price of a drink for the girl in the bar. Minimum 50 euros. Take her to the room - 30 minutes not possible. Minimum

I've only been to Prague once but thought the options were poor so did not return.

Amsterdam is a dangerous city. There is a whole network of thieves praying on guys who are not paying attention to their pockets / bags / money whilst looking in windows. Not the best environment.

Overall, the whole FKK experience is not spoiled by prices going to 150/ hour which still represents decent value against other European (not Asian) options.

Difference of opinion regarding what the FKK experience is meant to be. They were set up as fuck fest establishments meant for fucking freely. That entails a large quantity of fucks under one roof. By raising the price to match outside vendors (the incall girl down the street for 150 e) well that defeats the point of an FKK sauna club and certainly take away from the true FKK experience.

So to my original point, incall / outcall rates should remain there and brothel rates should remain in the brothel range. Increase to 60/ half or 120/ HR to make up for inflation sure, but a club girl charging the same rate as an incall girl is absurd.

I've never mongered in those Spanish clubs so I'll plead ignorance and.

Take your word that those are the prices. But incalls in Spain are 150/ HR with girls who are above average FKK quality.

ShowPark in Prague rates are about 100 to 150 e per session and is set up like an indoor Amsterdam De Wallen. Quality is above average FKK quality.

If one feels comfortable enough to explore Frankfurt RLD buildings, De Wallen in Amsterdam is plenty safe. Then there are non-tourist RLDs like the Jordaan and Ruysdaelkade where you shouldn't see any thieves at all.