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Originally Posted by Polyamorist
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I have known some beautiful women who worked in lower-paying clubs like Haus Panthera because they couldn't take the stress of places like Sharks.
Despite sirioja's protests, the majority of beautiful ones will still find themselves at the mega clubs because, in the end, those hot girls will follow the traffic to the MMFKKs, as you say. You often hear of girls starting in NRW and moving to Hessen. Much less often do you hear of girls who started in Hessen and moving to NRW.
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Originally Posted by Polyamorist
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By having quality standards, FKKs could also increase the quantity of women coming to them. Perhaps even some nicer normal German girls (not gang types) would consider this a viable profession where they didn't before.
Pretty sure registration shot down all hopes of that ever happening.
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Originally Posted by Pistons
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Quality beats quantity.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is being an idiot.
This is not rocket science, but it is however contrary to economic theory which only talks about market competition. But that's a stupid theory and made up by total idiots who advocate social dumping. And f social dumping is what we want on prostitutes, then you will only get hate in return.
LOL, the US is the biggest economy in the world. Market competition and social dumping may as well be the backbone of this economy. Our national economic philosophy is pretty similar to the point of view of the club owners that Rogue Nation suggests.
Quantity leads to quality. You just have to sort out the shit that comes with it. But through the shit you get Tesla, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Disney, Google, etc.
And what do you mean IF social dumping is what you want? Poor Romanian girls are already working as prostitutes in Germany. Social dumping has been the backbone of FKKs for over a decade.
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Originally Posted by RogueNation
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The silent majority of girls doesn't want to work at the clubs because of the standards and rules already existing. As those standards are deteriorating (BBBJ illegal, kissing not a real must, for 50 EUR it's BJ and sex for 20-30 min) there are more girls coming to the clubs who worked at apartments or houses before. That silent majority will not increase quality of women or service, it will have the opposite effect. The TOP girls are the ones who started at FKK clubs, worked there for quite a long time and built up a good reputation and many regulars by understanding the system and giving good value for money. The new girls are the ones who brought service levels down at Sharks. And of course not to forget the newbies and tourists willing to accept higher prices for less service.
Sharks has more girls than ever. More guests than ever (not a better male / female ratio for the girls, but higher absolute attendance from men and women). So the owners are maximizing profit. They live from what men / women pay to get into the club. As long as there's enough people coming they don't give a fuck about the quality of girls (service / looks). And even if there's less customers coming because quality of service is going down, they don't take any serious measure to change it. Look at Palace or Oase, customer count is down and still girls with bad service or their own creative prices do not consequently get kicked out.
So much for economic theory in the P6 environment. The people running those clubs do not have a management degree.
Even I'm not old in FKK land, but I agree for Sharks quality falling compare to when there were only about 50/60 girls, but some beauties, not GND land for tourists.
Fortunately, can sometimes find a really new fresh girl like I did on Friday night, without fake nails, without silicon, tattoes, piercing, virgin skin and so sensitive.
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Originally Posted by RogueNation
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Look at Palace or Oase, customer count is down and still girls with bad service or their own creative prices do not consequently get kicked out.
So much for economic theory in the P6 environment. The people running those clubs do not have a management degree.
Well, indirectly Palace did kick out some girls last year. Question is just of these kicked out girls were the ones who should have been kicked out.
For your last point, I'm afraid I agree. They think short term and the lack of long term strategy is frightening. Some clubs are better than others, but most clubs make massive mess ups from Palace, Oase (remember the a la carte food mess up?) and Sharks, to Oceans (Asian strategy in Europe hasn't worked out that well), Acapulco (place is falling apart, and girls do 15 min rooms), Paradise Stuttgart, PHG and Samya. Some clubs also have no clue regarding crisis management, and how to prevent future complications.
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Originally Posted by RogueNation
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Go discuss with Metin at Sharks about that.
It is not rocket science that he takes 80 EUR (or whatever it is now) from each girl he lets work in the club. Clearly quantity beats quality for him to maximize his profit.
That's why these clubs actually should be regulated.
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Originally Posted by RogueNation
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Go discuss with Metin at Sharks about that.
It is not rocket science that he takes 80 EUR (or whatever it is now) from each girl he lets work in the club. Clearly quantity beats quality for him to maximize his profit.
Yes, since Autumn 2016, more numerous girls at Sharks than on 2015 and until Easter 2016, but where are the past topgirls? Who are the elegant look and behavior? Who are the new Katalina / Kate, Ilka, Karin?
Sharks became a sex factory with no selection for girls, club for tourists.
At GT, when a new girl start, desk ask how it was with her? Some girls are fired on their first day. Fortunately, GT opened now doors to Romanian beauties.
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Haus Panthera was well known for the average quality of service, not for the looks of the girls. Exactly the opposite of Sharks!
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Originally Posted by Polyamorist
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But by maintaining good environments, they could attract the silent majority of girls who don't want to work in an MMFKK (Mad Max FKK). I have known some beautiful women who worked in lower-paying clubs like Haus Panthera because they couldn't take the stress of places like Sharks.
So it's not a simple trade-off between quality and quantity. By having quality standards, FKKs could also increase the quantity of women coming to them. Perhaps even some nicer normal German girls (not gang types) would consider this a viable profession where they didn't before.
The silent majority of girls doesn't want to work at the clubs because of the standards and rules already existing. As those standards are deteriorating (BBBJ illegal, kissing not a real must, for 50 EUR it's BJ and sex for 20-30 min) there are more girls coming to the clubs who worked at apartments or houses before. That silent majority will not increase quality of women or service, it will have the opposite effect. The TOP girls are the ones who started at FKK clubs, worked there for quite a long time and built up a good reputation and many regulars by understanding the system and giving good value for money. The new girls are the ones who brought service levels down at Sharks. And of course not to forget the newbies and tourists willing to accept higher prices for less service.
Sharks has more girls than ever. More guests than ever (not a better male / female ratio for the girls, but higher absolute attendance from men and women). So the owners are maximizing profit. They live from what men / women pay to get into the club. As long as there's enough people coming they don't give a fuck about the quality of girls (service / looks). And even if there's less customers coming because quality of service is going down, they don't take any serious measure to change it. Look at Palace or Oase, customer count is down and still girls with bad service or their own creative prices do not consequently get kicked out.
So much for economic theory in the P6 environment. The people running those clubs do not have a management degree.
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Originally Posted by HeyyyyyyPaul
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Funny post. However, doubt there's anyone else that thinks there are too many girls for there to be a limit on them.
Well I agree with Pistons that clubs need to focus more on quality. In fact it seems like a no-brainer to me. If CountryA (e. G. Switzerland) has quality control, while CountryB (e. G. Germany) has no quality control, then things are bound to evolve to a state where CountryB is only getting the rejects from CountryA.
It's about quality of behavior not just looks. Clubs are afraid of kicking out gang types because they will miss the "quantity". But by maintaining good environments, they could attract the silent majority of girls who don't want to work in an MMFKK (Mad Max FKK). I have known some beautiful women who worked in lower-paying clubs like Haus Panthera because they couldn't take the stress of places like Sharks.
So it's not a simple trade-off between quality and quantity. By having quality standards, FKKs could also increase the quantity of women coming to them. Perhaps even some nicer normal German girls (not gang types) would consider this a viable profession where they didn't before.
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Originally Posted by Pistons
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This is not rocket science, but it is however contrary to economic theory which only talks about market competition. But that's a stupid theory and made up by total idiots who advocate social dumping. And f social dumping is what we want on prostitutes, then you will only get hate in return.
Go discuss with Metin at Sharks about that.
It is not rocket science that he takes 80 EUR (or whatever it is now) from each girl he lets work in the club. Clearly quantity beats quality for him to maximize his profit.
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Balance.
Originally Posted by HeyyyyyyPaul
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Funny post. However, doubt there's anyone else that thinks there are too many girls for there to be a limit on them.
I think the clubs are an interesting dynamic where in many cases some limitation of something could be beneficial. Too many bears and not enough women ends with frustrated bears. Too many women and not enough bears ends with frustrated women. Too many bears and women ends with long waiting times. Too much food and free beer and the women complain that the bears are to drunk and too lazy to want or be able to have sex. There is a perfect mix somewhere but I'm still trying to find it. Imagine, beautiful women, great performances, maybe some fluffers working the couches, awesome food and drink, rooms for everyone and cialis and Viagra in the candy dish.
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Originally Posted by HeyyyyyyPaul
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Funny post. However, doubt there's anyone else that thinks there are too many girls for there to be a limit on them.
Quality beats quantity.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is being an idiot. And prices actually goes up if you leave large parts of the market idle in businesses such as gaming tables at casino's, taxis and even prostitutes. Because they ofcourse as well as everyone else in this world have to factor in the idle time they spend at work. So raising prices is the only way get pay from the downtime. If you are efficient and get many clients with almost no downtime, you can reduce prices. Like a factory that gets more efficient. Like Elon Musk who makes batteries and rockets with a totally new approach from the first stage of production.
This is not rocket science, but it is however contrary to economic theory which only talks about market competition. But that's a stupid theory and made up by total idiots who advocate social dumping. And f social dumping is what we want on prostitutes, then you will only get hate in return.
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Originally Posted by ChristianG
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I was curious to try a only sud american girls club. So we been here 2 days ago before went to ACA.
35 entry fee. 50 first room. 30 all other rooms. CIM included. Anal negotiated price with the girl.
Small club, eatable food, wifi work not so good. RTC are more better than this club. Bad line up here.
Arrive in the club, pay the entry fee and the theke call 2 girls for take care us, they wait that we undress and shower, then show us the club, give us a drink and when we sat down on sofa theystart to rub our cock and DFK, WTF!
Ok go in the room (this is the only club i tried where you have to pay the girl in advance) with a colombian girl, over 30, fake boobs and fake ass. Great BBBJ with a ball licking, hot sex, CIM.
Shower and eat. After some realx we sat on sof and start looking tv, just one minutes and 2 girls coming to us. I took Viky from Paraguay the only girl here have a slim body and sexy ass. She kneel in front of me and start to gave me a epic BBBJ-DT. Move to the room and I got alot of BBBJ-DT, ball licking and rimjob, good doggystyle sex.
My mate had also 2 great perfomer, great suck and hot sex, pity that girls here are not sexy at all.
I was curious, I took off the curiosity and certainly will not go back.
Very interesting. I assume its http://www.sky-saunaclub.com.
Thicker women with great service I guess.
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Originally Posted by Pistons
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I am thinking the best way for the customers and the girls is only one solution: they have to start limiting the amount of girls at the clubs, and enforce qualiity control. And choose girls out of looks and service...
The amount of girls are not getting any lower. It might be twice as many p6 girls in a few years given how society is liberalizing, finding jobs is getting harder and more countries are getting in with visa free travel (plus cheaper flights).
Limiting the amount of clubs is therefor the best part of the new german law as far as I can tell. If only the clubs can move that type of thinking forward and cap the girls also based on quality.
It is the same analogy you see in Macau with casino licenses and legally allowed numbers of gaming tables. Or taxi licenses in most european countries. If you don't do it like this, you will get empty gaming tables or taxis not earning money because of the overflow. And according to Steve Wynn himself, nothing hurts the market more than empty tables. So it is good, even to him to have such restrictions... Or you will find taxies like in sweden (where I don't think they have a cap on licenses) who rips you off charging 2x the standard fare from airport to downtown...
Funny post. However, doubt there's anyone else that thinks there are too many girls for there to be a limit on them.
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