Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[EihTooms]

For residents with GFs, the online option is not so great. As you stated, it requires time and effort, and is not that discreet.

Yes, the live-in GF choice is definitely a terrible deal for most of us today. Especially if, as you have been asserting, the brick and mortar venue options are seriously losing their value to us.

I have been living in Bkk about five years so far and must have dug in my heels 10-15 times and resisted the inclination to invite a special girl to carve out a space in my closet, fill a bureau drawer or two and set up camp in my apartment. It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.

Does that mean I don't enjoy the pleasure and comfort of a "GF" in my retirement? Not even close. Thanks to online options like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly (I'll leave the fast and furious booty call apps to those who need them) as well as girls I meet along the way outside the P4 P business, I have MANY genuine GFs, any one of whom will come over for the night at a moment's notice, spend their day off with me, travel with me on holiday, whatever, but only on my invitation and only when I wouldn't rather have a quiet night alone. Or a night out on the hunt with my friends.

I still do a go-go bar night or two almost every week and still shop for FLs on my rounds. But I am on about 80% regular, non P4 P Thai girls these days.

Meanwhile, these regular, non P4 P girls are among the youngest, best looking, most affectionate, most sexually skillful and satisfying Thai girls I have ever had. Seriously, I am getting better sex with Thai girls today and for less cost than I ever did in the past. And I credit that smart phone with the Line app on it nestled in my pocket for most of that positive difference.

[Goatscrot]

We've lost control of that "Scene" years ago. Truth is, in the massage world, we've always been in the back of the bus compared to Asians.

What's our scene now is online dating / encounters / apps or whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of your girls ready and waiting to meet (of course not always for free), and that, the other Asians haven't tapped into yet.

Badoo, Tinder, Tagged. If you're smart you could have a different girl lined up each night of your holiday here.

Downside? You need to invest time, sometimes a lot of time, but I believe the reward will be more satisfying than any massage place.

For residents with GFs, the online option is not so great. As you stated, it requires time and effort, and is not that discreet.

[Grandaddy Perp]

Uh, well that is one way of looking at it. The other is that we actually like sex and expect the gal to at least act like she does and are not there to claim a trophy so we can tell our friends we paid x amount to have sex with a pretty girl, even though she was a bit of a starfish. Fair share? If expecting a gal to provide either a PSE or a GFE and at least two pops for a session that many are paying well in excess of 100 USD for in a country where the minimum wage is less than 10 USD a day and the majority of degreed persons make well less than 3 k USD per month is more than our "fair share," then most non-Farangs must have pretty low expectations of what a "fair share" is. Sorry, when you are paying top dollar, you should get quite a bit more than a lazy gal that is looking to get away with as little as she can and a management that allows it. For the most part performance standards have decreased as prices have increased. Go figure. Well, I place the blame squarely on the Asian punter who does not make demands but settles for what he gets. Has had a terrible effect on the P4 P scene in Thailand in general.

This whole scale of economics argument doesn't hold water when it comes to prostitution and it has nothing to do with Asians, as a matter of fact there is a greater argument to be made for Westernization as the true cause, specifically the rise of capitalism. Just look at prostitution in first world countries dominated by 'farang' populations to see what I mean. A top level escort in NYC can command thousands of dollars for a few hours when the minimum wage is $7.25. Same goes for London. Bangkok is now a major metropolitan and one of the Asian hubs but for a Thai pin up model you are still paying a small fraction of what you would pay for the equivalent in America and the service will roughly be the same if not better here if you request like for like services.

[Roaming Viking]

Hi again, one question about the price. Has it gone up? Last year I remember paying about 1500 for 1 1/2 hours.

Still, if the service is good I don't mind pay a little more. But basically all the girls at SW are the same price range, right?

Thanks.

Thanks for the update o Emmy. I will be sure to try her when I visit later this month. In the past I have also tried Audi. She is really sweet and offers excellent service, no holes bared and CIM.

I'd appreciate any update on Kasalong and L*.

Cheers!

[Grandaddy Perp]

It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.

I don't think its really an issue of 'welfare' but more about keeping the girls in the place. Fact is, these brick and mortar establishments are having a hard time keeping top level staff on premise. The online / social media model has taken over and most of the hottest ladies are just FLing these days. This is one of the reasons why the pricing has skyrocketed in just the last couple of years. Before that there were 4-5 venues that had the same amount of top level ladies that the Lord has now. Its supply and demand and if you can get paid more to do less work, I imagine you would make the same choice as they are. Another thing to consider is that the ladies generally get tipped more from Asian guys than farangs. You just can't bring that entitled attitude like this "Women are naturally built to have sex" into this scene anymore. Say what you will about Asian men but they are favored because they don't view these ladies as sex machines, more like status symbol idols.

[NicFrenchy]

Truth be told, we farang have had our day. It's not really our "scene" anymore and its going to become less and less as time moves on.

We've lost control of that "Scene" years ago. Truth is, in the massage world, we've always been in the back of the bus compared to Asians.

What's our scene now is online dating / encounters / apps or whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of your girls ready and waiting to meet (of course not always for free), and that, the other Asians haven't tapped into yet.

Badoo, Tinder, Tagged. If you're smart you could have a different girl lined up each night of your holiday here.

Downside? You need to invest time, sometimes a lot of time, but I believe the reward will be more satisfying than any massage place.

[Goatscrot]

Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.

I like foreplay, but on my terms. To each his own. The point is the provider needs to be able to monitor and adjust according to the needs of the customer. Most of the Asian dudes are ok with the script; we farang want to make our own movie. And FFS women can go at it for a lot longer than we can. 2 pops and I'm done. How much can she handle? A lot more than me, that's for sure. And yes, if she is always jep jep jep, it's time to find another job.

[Goatscrot]

I disagree with the premise AlphaPunk2 put forward ie that soapy girls do not want farang customers. When I walk into the Lord or La Belle, most of the girls appear to be very happy to see me and more than willing to be selected by yours truly including the best-looking girls in the place. But, the farang tax is most definitely a discriminatory charge. So, if that bothers you, then skip the soapies. Except for the added expense, it doesn't really bother me much because I am always treated very well in all other respects in these high end soapies by management and the staff and because, in the case of the Lord, I always get the desirable girl I want who treats me way better than good in the loom.

What bothers me far more is the palpable anti-white discriminatory environment going on in a few Pattaya Go Go's like Baccara Walking Street or some Korean owned bars in AC where the top girls absolutely refuse to barfine Caucasians or even look their way. I hate these joints. I won't even buy a diet coke in such bars anymore, let alone seek out that kind of NE Asian only focused girl. In the case of the AC Korean owned bars, it is a key part of the managment's business plan not to service Westerners. May the ungrateful racists all go bankrupt and rot. I laugh out loud thinking where South Korea would be right now without the USA backing their play.

Truth be told, we farang have had our day. It's not really our "scene" anymore and its going to become less and less as time moves on. There are fewer farang here and more Asian dudes. The scene caters to the Asian dudes and will continue to do so. Their wants and needs are different from ours, but they are here in numbers and we are not anymore. They don't demand GFE or PSE, rather they want to stick it in a pretty gal so they can tell their friends about it. And many want to brag about what they paid as well. It's a very different modus operandi and one that most of us farang dudes don't want to have anything to do with. Enjoy, what's left guys; it's going to continue in this direction. I am really glad I made it over for the first time in the late 90's and got to enjoy the end of the Golden Age. One thing though, when the Chinese punters arrive the gals will really miss us farang and perhaps wish they catered to us a bit more.

[LaoMan]

Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.

You must be a charming companion.

[EihTooms]

It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.

I have never been a fan of soapies or MPs and always found the experience to be sorely lacking in eroticism, even 20+ years ago. So I can't speak much about this or that venue. But this bit about a Farang "surcharge" sounds to me much more like an Asian "discount" instead. They only spruce it up with an excuse to us Farangs that they hope at least could be taken as flattery; we're just too much MAN for those delicate flowers. LOL.

Meanwhile, if many if their Asian customers couldn't be assured ASAP that, yep sure enough, they most definitely are already getting a discount below what the Farangs are paying, they would likely eat up more of the papasan's time grinding him for one anyway.

JMHO.

[Turgid]

Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.

Well call me savage. Fore and after play is for a girlfriend / wife. The providers are to wash me and then we have sex. I am far from being a spring chicken and when I'm with a provider and get an erection I have no more desire for foreplay and would like to use that erection immediately. Furthermore, the length of time in coitus before climax varies, sometimes longer than others and I expect that if I am within the allotted time I will be allowed to ejaculate as long as the agreed to time has not elapsed. If the service allows two pops then I should be allowed the opportunity to start a second one as long as I am within the agreed to time. Women are naturally built to have sex and some men have more sex within the allotted time than others, that expectation comes with the job. If they can't handle it then reduce the number of sessions or find another job.

[Member #4698]

Not discriminatory against farang!? LOL funny. In my house it's called racism. Anyway I don't see any reason to come to this places and pay more for a girl that don't want to fuck with farang. Many other options in Bangkok.

I disagree with the premise AlphaPunk2 put forward ie that soapy girls do not want farang customers. When I walk into the Lord or La Belle, most of the girls appear to be very happy to see me and more than willing to be selected by yours truly including the best-looking girls in the place. But, the farang tax is most definitely a discriminatory charge. So, if that bothers you, then skip the soapies. Except for the added expense, it doesn't really bother me much because I am always treated very well in all other respects in these high end soapies by management and the staff and because, in the case of the Lord, I always get the desirable girl I want who treats me way better than good in the loom.

What bothers me far more is the palpable anti-white discriminatory environment going on in a few Pattaya Go Go's like Baccara Walking Street or some Korean owned bars in AC where the top girls absolutely refuse to barfine Caucasians or even look their way. I hate these joints. I won't even buy a diet coke in such bars anymore, let alone seek out that kind of NE Asian only focused girl. In the case of the AC Korean owned bars, it is a key part of the managment's business plan not to service Westerners. May the ungrateful racists all go bankrupt and rot. I laugh out loud thinking where South Korea would be right now without the USA backing their play.

[Christian G]

The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer.

Not discriminatory against farang!? LOL funny. In my house it's called racism. Anyway I don't see any reason to come to this places and pay more for a girl that don't want to fuck with farang. Many other options in Bangkok.

[Whoreman]

I've had this conversation with the staff at some of these places before. The higher prices charged to farangs is not because the management wants to be taking advantage / discriminatory against you. It's because the girls generally do not like farangs and will need motivation (I. E. Higher pay) to accept them as a customer. I frequent these places often before and after I'm done with my session. Just sitting down and chatting with the staff while watching the girls / customers walk in and out. I have seen outright refusal by some girls to accept farangs / Indians no matter how much more money the staff offered to quote the customer.

Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.

It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.

[Goatscrot]

Savages may be the correct reason as to why they do this.

I've discussed this topic at length with a friend who is a partner in one of these venues and he told me that the reason why there is an extra charge is that farangs often do the following:

Try and strong arm the girls into providing services that they don't typically provide.

Try to push for more pops than what other non-farang customers ask for.

Look to fill the entire time with actual sex when the business model calls for a bit of fore and after play.

So, it a nutshell, the typical farang is more demanding, akin to going to a buffet and taking more than your than the fair share.

Uh, well that is one way of looking at it. The other is that we actually like sex and expect the gal to at least act like she does and are not there to claim a trophy so we can tell our friends we paid x amount to have sex with a pretty girl, even though she was a bit of a starfish. Fair share? If expecting a gal to provide either a PSE or a GFE and at least two pops for a session that many are paying well in excess of 100 USD for in a country where the minimum wage is less than 10 USD a day and the majority of degreed persons make well less than 3 k USD per month is more than our "fair share," then most non-Farangs must have pretty low expectations of what a "fair share" is. Sorry, when you are paying top dollar, you should get quite a bit more than a lazy gal that is looking to get away with as little as she can and a management that allows it. For the most part performance standards have decreased as prices have increased. Go figure. Well, I place the blame squarely on the Asian punter who does not make demands but settles for what he gets. Has had a terrible effect on the P4 P scene in Thailand in general.