Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Syzygies]

The cooperative nature of the Thai workplace is a national characteristic but competition does occur; particularly over money and status. Nevertheless, it takes a very tough-minded boss to side with the high-performing girls against the jealous herd. In Tulip, the boss is evidently not up to the challenge and the awful results are plain for all to see. Your examples suggest that Boss and Addict are afflicted with similar management weaknesses. I suspect that the success of shops like Snow White and Mango in nurturing talent is down to untypical management practices. What other explanation could there be?

It is not easy for me to understand what you are getting at in the differences in culture between various MP shops, and what you believe the results are.

"Awful results plain to see" means what. I can't guess.

Certainly the personalities of girls and mamasans vary widely in MPs and bars. Yes a very popular girl can create jealousies even if she tries to help others get work. You can always find the rumour the girl must do BBFS, otherwise why is she so popular even she denies it and is against the rules.

Can any shop with a lot of girls have only the nicest personalities? Must be tough. I was aware of one of my bargirls having fights with other bargirls, even she seemed nice enough to me. I could not tell who was at fault of course, but suspected my girl could be a bit bitchy.

If a customer at Tulip does not choose a girl, he will get assigned to the next girl in line, but we would never stand for that. Seeing Yok in leotard at Tulip on my first visit (that I remember), I could not go past her, and probably did not even check the full line up. Was very hard to change to any other girl after that.

Some girls in an MP can remain somewhat aloof, not wanting to get involved in a lot of highly personal gossip or provide any details of their life to other girls (there is a danger), and then possibly not have any really close friends at the MP. They can be there purely to work. A good boss would surely try to prevent jealousies between girls, but it cannot be helped that some girls will have extra good looks or service or both.

Thais are very nosey by nature for the most part, and do like to ask questions that should not be asked of others. At some times girls will catch STDs for sure, especially the bare backers, and I don't know to what extend these things become well known by others. Maybe they nearly all catch one sooner or later.

When I went to a Tulip girl's birthday dinner once, the whole Tulip crew of girls seemed like a friendly group, but I could not tell if any deep resentments were brewing. I generally agree with Goat's view of the cooperation. Girls that do very well can have too much business and would like to see their friends doing well also. Girls have recommended other girls for me at times. Some of my regulars seemed to have lovely personalities and wishing well for other girls. Coping with awful customers could have been the biggest problems they faced, or not enough customers.

I would say an MP shop could be partially spoiled by having a real dickhead manager, however I have always tried to ignore these things. If some dickhead Farang guy was Managing BJ shop, I could just ignore him mostly. I never tried to get close to any management at all. Best to maintain a distance. Even if Dr. BJ was a nice guy, I would not know, because did not choose to socialise at all.

I have been to Boss massage quite a number of times in the past. I have no lingering memories of the management with which to comment. Definitely way in front of the Jap guy at Can Cam though, in being easy to deal with. All my girls left at some point, which could have been a comment on not a happy shop, however they did not tell me why that I recall. High competition between girls is possible. Pin told me she simply made more money on Soi 4 (don't know if that was the real story). Competition wcould be tougher in Boss and bitchy girls is possible. 2nd time with her was not that good, service had declined and became a bit stiff legged.

[Syzygies]

Performance at SW and Mango is nowhere near where it was when the shops opened. The only shop that has been able to maintain is Tulip. When SW and Mango opened all gals were required to do everything. Opting out of A+ was not an option.

Did June at SW do anal in her early SW days? I would not know as did not ask for it, but I had the feeling she would not have been that keen on it at least.

[Mr Benn]

Performance at SW and Mango is nowhere near where it was when the shops opened. The only shop that has been able to maintain is Tulip. When SW and Mango opened all gals were required to do everything. Opting out of A+ was not an option.

In Tulip, the culture of bullying targets the pretty girls; not the high performers. I didn't mention that important detail in my previous post. That is why "the awful results are plain for all to see". Generally, I agree that the shop has maintained its performance standards but there is at least one confirmed dud in the line-up. Her name is Janet. She was my final punt there.

The challenging looks of the Tulip line-up can only be justified by a cast-iron guarantee that all of them will perform. When you take a pretty girl in another shop and she turns out to be a dud, you still have the consolation of having shagged a pretty girl. When you encounter a dud in Tulip, there is no crumb of comfort to be had. A wank would be more rewarding.

I agree that performance standards have slipped at both Snow White and Mango in recent years but I'm still having a great time in both of those venues with carefully selected girls and a new willingness on my part to try out girls who don't have the body of a fashion model.

[Goatscrot]

The cooperative nature of the Thai workplace is a national characteristic but competition does occur; particularly over money and status. Nevertheless, it takes a very tough-minded boss to side with the high-performing girls against the jealous herd. In Tulip, the boss is evidently not up to the challenge and the awful results are plain for all to see. Your examples suggest that Boss and Addict are afflicted with similar management weaknesses. I suspect that the success of shops like Snow White and Mango in nurturing talent is down to untypical management practices. What other explanation could there be?

Performance at SW and Mango is nowhere near where it was when the shops opened. The only shop that has been able to maintain is Tulip. When SW and Mango opened all gals were required to do everything. Opting out of A+ was not an option.

[Whoreman]

One problem I have had with DD is no-availabilty of rooms. Kiss told me that they only have 8 room (though their rooms extremely big), and 2-3 room's AC is not working. Which meNs, every time I try to book, mamsan says that room is not available. This is little annoying.

P.S.: Last I tried DD was a month ago, so maybe AC problem is solved by now.

This is the thing. Some new or newish places like Doki Doki and Momo are doing well, other places not so well. Some posters are making it sound like there's been an 80% drop in customers but I go to the oilies once or twice a week and haven't noticed anything different. It's normal for the low season to be a bit quieter. The shops seem to be managing to recruit new girls too, just none that have both the looks and service level to be a superstar.

[Ricky81]

I got lucky for the choice and had a great experience at Doki Doki (not trying for a porn star). The girl was very skilled in making the Nuru slide blissful. I could see in the line up she had a model like body (pity about the bolt-ONS a bit much). That experience alleviated the pain of the price greatly. Ha ha. Not worth trying to save small change by taking only 60 minutes IMHO. Enjoy at leisurely pace.

https://dokidokibangkok.com/girls/

A pity the top of faces are cut off but the Nadia pic with small waist is accurate. Others may prefer a more meaty girl for body slide, but I was very happy. My pal recommends Sofia too (for slim girls) and he also tried Naomi (good service). I am suspecting the girls are well trained.

Can't say I heard any bad reports as yet. Guys very hard to please and wanting porno stars may not even be willing to pay the Doki Doki prices.

The rooms are good I guess they are making every effort to run the place well, tweeting the girls attending is excellent service really. You can't see many shops making the same effort levels, or is this wishful thinking?

How would I improve the place? Well if all girls presented to the line up naked, that would be perfect. Just Kidding. :-) I can go elsewhere to see a line of pussies.

I took Olivia in my previous exp, not good, actual she is 40+ lady, less enthu and no licking, I don't felt like doing her too, in that case Pam was good.

[Mr Benn]

Guess I would disagree with this statement. Thais are cooperative for the most part, not competitive. Gals that perform at a higher level than the shop standard are often shunned by the rest of the staff as they will tend to get more bookings. Great example of this is Pin who used to work at Boss but now plies her trade on Soi 4. She was getting 4 to 5 customers as day as she was the only true PSE and A+ gal in the shop. The other gals could not stand her because she had so many regulars. The mamansan even turned on her at one point and tried to steer customers away from her. Sandy at Addict is another one who was not liked by the other gals because she was too busy. Instead of upping their game, the other gals expect the performers to lower their game to the median level of the shop. I would contend that a superstar shows up to work the first day with certain qualities and a certain affinity for sex. They tend to like sex, enjoy seeing men getting off, are not "cum-phobic," and posses all the qualities and desire to develop a great skill set. The PSE shops used to do a very good job of recruiting these gals and got some lookers as well. Conventional Western economic wisdom would tell you that as more and more shops opened, performance standards would increase as competition did, but the exact opposite happened. Gals who were better looking drifted to shops where less was expected of them, and in order to keep a few so-so lookers the PSE shops lowered their standards and some instituted a 500 Baht "butt penalty" as well. Back in the day Tulip, Snow, Mango, Cherry, and Victoria were all girls do everything, no exceptions. Not the case now.

The cooperative nature of the Thai workplace is a national characteristic but competition does occur; particularly over money and status. Nevertheless, it takes a very tough-minded boss to side with the high-performing girls against the jealous herd. In Tulip, the boss is evidently not up to the challenge and the awful results are plain for all to see. Your examples suggest that Boss and Addict are afflicted with similar management weaknesses. I suspect that the success of shops like Snow White and Mango in nurturing talent is down to untypical management practices. What other explanation could there be?

[Mr Benn]

Very true, why some members don't share details can be puzzling.

There is however one situation I understand. It's when a new girl arrives on the scene who is head and shoulders above the norm. She is attractive, young, friendly, eager and happy to please, not just open to direction but hungry to learn how to kiss and how to use her body to give good head and perform in different positions.

Some punters I would describe as mongering Svengalis prefer to keep this find to themselves knowing three to 6 months after becoming popular and doing 5 sessions a day she will no longer be that same sweet girl that gave you that amazing experience.

It's not that she has entirely changed but its human nature to become blas doing the same thing day in day out, it becomes just another day at the office quickly forgotten. A good example of this is Kiss at Doki Doki. She is still a sweet kid, you can have a good time but the magic has gone.

On a different note Mr be. If Mango don't have a professional PR outfit touting their shop they could do worse than hiring you on say a free shag or two a week retainer.

When a pretty new massage girl experiences an unexpected arousal and rewards your efforts with a satisfying ride and a rare backdoor pass, she is obviously a keeper. No one shares a secret that sweet. Serving her up on a plate to the cold-eyed anal plunderers lurking around this forum could easily lead to o-ring failure and the burnout of her fast-rising career. Best to hold off until she has developed the skills necessary to welcome that prospect with open cheeks.

Of course, this scenario is an edge-case. Almost a black swan event. Striking gold in a farang-friendly Bangkok massage shop happens to me perhaps once every couple of years. I genuinely believe that 99% of punts can be reported here without breaching the girl's trust or rendering her unavailable. Every girl is unique and we punters have different tastes. At its best, the ISG is a matchmaking service that saves everyone time, effort and money.

Some guys need a lover while others want to act out porn scenes. Some pop in for a quickie on the pretext that they forgot to lock the car while their wife shops at the Emporium. Some poor buggers rely on working girls to support their self esteem and they can't handle a bad session. Interestingly, however, I'm reliably informed that most guys just lie there like a log and wait for the girl to perform her magic.

Thanks for sharing your story about Kiss at Doki Doki. Fresh, sweet girls have a special appeal that is strictly time-limited. I'm very partial to them myself. Time moves on, unfortunately, but Kiss might now be a good recommendation for those guys who just want to lie there like a log. The old Kiss may now be gone but those memories live on. I suspect that, like me, you also enjoy the hunt for fresh pussy. We make our own luck.

Not all go the way of Kiss, however. When a sweet girl slowly evolves into a no-holes-barred superstar, getting in on the ground floor can win you the golden ticket. Nothing beats a PSE delivered with genuine affection. I've ridden that wave on a number of occasions. Who wouldn't want to face-fuck Mary Poppins?

Shops like Snow White and Mango exist purely to meet the needs foreign men like ourselves. Business is slow at the moment so, unless we pull our collective finger out and post some girl reports, they may go the way of the much-missed Bongkot. I also passed Bamboo in the early evening last Saturday and the lights were off.

Adventurous farang gentlemen with a busy life and only 2 hours a week to devote to this hobby don't have many alternative venues to fall back on.

For me, overdecorated tourist-traps like Club 102 are not an acceptable substitute and neither are the Thai venues. Faced with anything larger than an acorn, the average soapy girl reacts like King Dong is about to split them in half. As for the Japanese places, I'm simply not interested in sitting on some preposterous little stool while some pig-tailed manga girl tickles my bum with a sponge for 10 minutes before handing me a cup of green tea. Frankly, she can shove it up her virgin ass along with the bowl, caddy, scoop, whisk and tastefully simple flower arrangement.

Finally, your suggestion that Mango should offer me free shags be their publicist is a terrific idea. I've been scanning the situations vacant column in the Bangkok Post for an opportunity like this for over 20 years. I trust that you will put in a good word for me. Just tell them that Snow White's people are already talking to my people and that they need to act quickly.

How come the two times I've been in Mango I've been deceived both by the looks and by the service provided by these two girls?

Both times I chose a girl that was said to be A+ and both times I've been rejected when I wanted to fuck their ass.

Thanks for sharing your stories about Ae and Sara. I should have made it clear that my unqualified praise for Mango related to how the shop operated until about 2014, or whenever it was that they introduced the butt-penalty. These days, I would grade it as improving.

[Gargano19]

Absolutely agree. Some girls and some shops can be busy, but in general, times are tough, especially for newbie girls who have not yet got a set of regulars and a reputation. Then if looks are very so so, how can she compete. Its much easier if shops get too busy and almost any girl can get booked.

One day turned up to Doki Doki mid afternoon, which I assume is doing better than the average shop by a significant margin, yet 12+ girls were available (maybe 15 did not count). Cannot have been so busy that day.

It's the girls who best know if business is overall good or lousy. How many girls get turned over, because they simply can't get fucked enough.

One problem I have had with DD is no-availability of rooms. Kiss told me that they only have 8 room (though their rooms extremely big), and 2-3 room's AC is not working. Which mens, every time I try to book, mamsan says that room is not available. This is little annoying.

P.S.: Last I tried DD was a month ago, so maybe AC problem is solved by now.

[Syzygies]

They are superior in what way? Maybe they offer a better specific service that some other shops, but that's the only thing I can see them being superior at (and personnaly I prefer the service offered at SW).

In looks they are certainly not (although I didn't see Kiss and it looks like she is attractive), and some of their girls are 40 up.

Sorry about vagueness. DokiDoki is probably not trying to compete with Snow White, so not superior for porn star capabilities. So superior compared other Oily MPs of a non-porn star type, was my intended meaning.

The other qualities of girls that could relate to superior are looks and service. We don't seem to see any bad reviews of Doki girls suggesting service levels are way above average. My girl was exceptional for trying to give me the best possible experience. In a line up of 12 or more girls there were 2 or 3 I considered doable, so that is higher than normal where most MPs have less beautiful looks (including Snow White in my visits) for my taste (slimmer girls small face). I don't waste time considering the exact standard of all the lesser looking girls. Can't say I noticed if any girls looked 40. Paid no attention. I am not age centric but like a hot body. My Mrs still looks damn hot at 39. Even considered one girl who was a bit pudgy but with a good face. Nadia had a very tight slim but curvy body (small waist), looking like she works out for sure. I guess well under 30 YO but body of 20 YO. Only negative was the implants for me (but I tolerate them sometimes when other aspects are good).

I must admit first visit to DokiD they had only 4 or 5 girls in line up and none were doable for me. Too old (ha ha) and dumpy (not nice slim types). That is a few months ago.

If a shop cannot attract any girls superior for looks, and mostly girls superior for service, they could fail quite quickly. Snow White presumably survives mostly by high service levels. Overall looks standard is a bit iffy. Plenty of time I left without taking a girl. Best girls can be busy.

Now if a an MP has some lookers, but service is lousy, it is not much use. Plenty of times I did a looker just once. If she performed well enough, then normally plenty of repeats for me with "superior" girls for looks and service. I need both normally.

My last SW girl, "Beauty" was chosen for her face, even body was not really slim enough for me, but no one else looked better at the time. A skinny girl was seen coming down the stairs later, that might have suited me. I think it was probably Lemon.

[Syzygies]

Talk to the mamasans. They will all tell you that business is not good. You might happen to hit the place at a time it is busy, but it's not busy compared to a few years ago. There will always be gals who are popular and hard to book, but overall most gals are not doing so well, and that is why so many have gone overseas to work.

Absolutely agree. Some girls and some shops can be busy, but in general, times are tough, especially for newbie girls who have not yet got a set of regulars and a reputation. Then if looks are very so so, how can she compete. Its much easier if shops get too busy and almost any girl can get booked.

One day turned up to Doki Doki mid afternoon, which I assume is doing better than the average shop by a significant margin, yet 12+ girls were available (maybe 15 did not count). Cannot have been so busy that day.

It's the girls who best know if business is overall good or lousy. How many girls get turned over, because they simply can't get fucked enough.

[Goatscrot]

There was no logical fallacy. Time to stop sniffing your own farts, old boy.

I do remember Cream and she stopped working years ago. I don't recall her ever not being A+. None of the current crop of girls have gone from A- to A+. In fact, May went in the opposite direction.

The only Cream I remember was the one who worked at SW. She was A+ and amazing. White skin, skilled, enthusiastic, and gave a hell of a massage.

[Goatscrot]

This, and fierce competition between the girls, is how superstars are created.

Guess I would disagree with this statement. Thais are cooperative for the most part, not competitive. Gals that perform at a higher level than the shop standard are often shunned by the rest of the staff as they will tend to get more bookings. Great example of this is Pin who used to work at Boss but now plies her trade on Soi 4. She was getting 4 to 5 customers as day as she was the only true PSE and A+ gal in the shop. The other gals could not stand her because she had so many regulars. The mamansan even turned on her at one point and tried to steer customers away from her. Sandy at Addict is another one who was not liked by the other gals because she was too busy. Instead of upping their game, the other gals expect the performers to lower their game to the median level of the shop. I would contend that a superstar shows up to work the first day with certain qualities and a certain affinity for sex. They tend to like sex, enjoy seeing men getting off, are not "cum-phobic," and posses all the qualities and desire to develop a great skill set. The PSE shops used to do a very good job of recruiting these gals and got some lookers as well. Conventional Western economic wisdom would tell you that as more and more shops opened, performance standards would increase as competition did, but the exact opposite happened. Gals who were better looking drifted to shops where less was expected of them, and in order to keep a few so-so lookers the PSE shops lowered their standards and some instituted a 500 Baht "butt penalty" as well. Back in the day Tulip, Snow, Mango, Cherry, and Victoria were all girls do everything, no exceptions. Not the case now.

[Goatscrot]

You've said a few times now that times are hard and girls can't get customers but I see no evidence of this. Last time I went to Snow White I bumped into another customer going out as I was going in and there were 2 Japanese / Korean guys sitting on the sofa waiting because their preferred girls were busy. It seems Snow White is doing better than ever. Of course certain girls and shops decrease in popularity and the girls you're talking to may be a victim of that.

I do agree with you that good reviews help a girl. They want as many customers as possible and they understand that some of those customers will be difficult. I think it's quite mean to the girl if you get good service but don't post a good review.

Top girls in the oilies can easily get 5 customers a day so can earn more than gogo girls.

Talk to the mamasans. They will all tell you that business is not good. You might happen to hit the place at a time it is busy, but it's not busy compared to a few years ago. There will always be gals who are popular and hard to book, but overall most gals are not doing so well, and that is why so many have gone overseas to work.

[Francesco24]

Is she fatter than Snow White's Ninja was?

If I am not mistake Ninja with someone else, even I wouldn't call Ninja fat (at least the few times I met her). So for sure Apple is fatter.