Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[AlphaPunk2]

BTW, Korean Chinese? WTF in BKK? You local lasses are far hotter. I see Chinese and Korean gals that just put the Thai gals to shame on their own turf. Certainly wish there was a place here to rent them by the hour.

Very interesting as a westerner, and resident here for 18 plus years, would say exactly the same about so many of the Asian men (again not all) I have encountered. I find them arrogant, unfriendly, and very dismissive. Walk down the the street in BKK and most non-Thai Asian dudes will not even move their shoulders to avoid someone in the street; instead expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Many times in the 7 near my place I have had Chinese and Koreans try to cut the que and / or just push their way through. Just the guys, never gals.

I think racism works both ways. Honestly, I find most Americans to be very polite and courteous and the racism that I see with Asians towards other Asians that they deem lesser than themselves pales in comparison to what I ever saw when I was in the US..

You are right, racism works both ways and that cultural chasms are indeed a factor that won't go away any time soon.

Yes I know!! Even the Chinese Thais are still not really on par with the pure Chinese and Koreans. Very hard to find a girl with white skin here. I'll be in shanghai and Korea for the entire month of January, visiting family and of course, taking some time to enjoy the MPs / Saunas there. My friend just opened a sauna and gentlemen's club in shanghai so I'll be checking it out. If you're interested in visiting just tell me, I'll ensure that you're well taken care of.

[AlphaPunk2]

There are rude people everywhere, including in the West. I have also suffered from instances where I did someone a small favor and they couldn't be bothered to say "thank you. " But that doesn't mean they were racist, particularly given that I am white and I have certainly run across white (as well as other race) people who fail to say "thank you" when it is appropriate. My typical response to failures to say "thank you" is to say sarcastically say "you're welcome. ".

Having said this, if your example is the best you can do to support your statement "most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance" it is pretty pathetic.

You want more? Sure.

2 white guys in a law firm in Sathorn (I'll let you guess which firm) were involved in a meeting this year. There happened to be a female Japanese employee present and you know what one of those 2 white men said to her upon introduction? "Oh you're from Japan! Nice, I like the porn your people make". Do you know how rude that is? All he could talk about to her after that was porn porn porn. Nothing else. Or is that ok to you LA Guy?

Another example, this time in Singapore. I was waiting to cross the road and I see this group next to me, 2 Singaporeans, 1 westerner. Now the timer just reset with a pretty long wait. The white guy wanted to cross no matter and the Singaporean lady in the group told him to stop and wait for the green pedestrian light. Guess what he said to her? "Nah it's ok they won't dare to drive into a white guy" and proceeded to cross, blocking traffic who has the right of way. Do you know how arrogant that is? Or is that example still "pretty pathetic" to you LA Guy?

A little titbit; after that fiasco, the Singaporean man in that group told her "get rid of him immediately and send him back to where he came from. That's the last westerner I will ever let into my company, too many problems and incidents in public. Why can't they listen?

[Goatscrot]

You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance.

I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.

BTW, Korean Chinese? WTF in BKK? You local lasses are far hotter. I see Chinese and Korean gals that just put the Thai gals to shame on their own turf. Certainly wish there was a place here to rent them by the hour.

Very interesting as a westerner, and resident here for 18 plus years, would say exactly the same about so many of the Asian men (again not all) I have encountered. I find them arrogant, unfriendly, and very dismissive. Walk down the the street in BKK and most non-Thai Asian dudes will not even move their shoulders to avoid someone in the street; instead expecting everyone else to get out of their way. Many times in the 7 near my place I have had Chinese and Koreans try to cut the que and / or just push their way through. Just the guys, never gals.

I think racism works both ways. Honestly, I find most Americans to be very polite and courteous and the racism that I see with Asians towards other Asians that they deem lesser than themselves pales in comparison to what I ever saw when I was in the US.

Most of the westerners I know and am friends with have made the effort to learn the local language and customs so as to be able to fit in as best as possible wherever the chose to reside or work, and truth be told I know very few who have close local male friends here. That goes for folks I know who have lived in Korea, Japan, and China. The exceptions seem to be Taiwan, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Singapore. Contrast this with some dudes I know who have lived in Brazil where as soon as you learn Portuguese the local guys are inviting you to their house for a BBQ and introducing you to their hot sister or cousin. Personally I'd really like to have close local friends, but methinks the cultural chasms are just to vast.

[LA Guy 5]

Read my previous post about it again. I'm half korean half chinese FYI so there's your answer.

I've been living and working in Bangkok since I was 19 and most of my friends here are 18-29 years of age. I've had the same conversations with everyone of all backgrounds and ages, be it university students, professional corporate workers or escorts / working girls; all answers are the same, westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.

Let me share with you just 1 of many personal encounters of this sort.

I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.

Don't get me started on other examples.

At Grandaddy Perp. I absolutely agree with you.

There are rude people everywhere, including in the West. I have also suffered from instances where I did someone a small favor and they couldn't be bothered to say "thank you. " But that doesn't mean they were racist, particularly given that I am white and I have certainly run across white (as well as other race) people who fail to say "thank you" when it is appropriate. My typical response to failures to say "thank you" is to say sarcastically say "you're welcome. ".

Having said this, if your example is the best you can do to support your statement "most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance" it is pretty pathetic.

[AlphaPunk2]

Thanks for the reply, looks like my only option is smooci after midnight as don't have a car and probably get lost in taxi.

Will try and sneak away to try Lord at 3 pm.

Is it the same each day, number of customers wise, are there punters weekends and weekdays? Might try and go on a Wednesday 3 pm.

There are customers on weekdays and weekends. The parking lots would be pretty much full from 6 pm onwards.

[EihTooms]

You hit the nail on the head.

Only Foreigners (read: non Asians) think they are buying a girlfriend, treating them to dinner and breakfast in the morning, even shopping.

To each their own, we spend our money how we see fit and buy whatever experience floats our boat.

But what about all those Asian guys I see walking out with Thermae hookers on their way in groups to a disco and a night out drinking?

Aside from that, I don't think the Farang soapy customers are looking to take the girl out for shopping, dinner and breakfast in the morning any more than the Asian soapy customers are. But if we're going to pay an extra 500 baht, it might be nice if she at least omitted the condom before giving us oral foreplay. Or is that too unbecoming and sad for us to expect, too?

[Grandaddy Perp]

I vaguely recall seeing a printed menu in a Bangkok restaurant about 5 years ago with two different prices posted for each item, a lower one for Thais and a higher one for everyone else. Maybe all Asians got that lower price. Don't know. I haven't seen a menu like it lately though. Of course, different prices for Thais vs Farangs is still going strong with many motorcycle taxi fares. Again, don't know if every Asian is quoted the Thai fare. The results of those products and services are fixed and bound to be the same for everyone who orders a meal at such a place or rides a motorcycle taxi from one place to another, too, much like the two tier priced soapy results I suppose.

Interesting. Never have seen two price points at a restaurant before but I have seen higher costs at restaurants in touristy areas but this seems to be a global phenomenon.

Also, taxis, motorcycle and car, in touristy areas like Suhkumvit, will often try and get higher fares from all passengers, including locals. One method that usually works for me is to just climb in close the door and tell them where I'm going. Rarely ever get said no to with this technique, which I learned from a Thai friend. One thing that the motorcycle guys will try to do is take advantage of someone who isn't in the know so its a good idea to learn the general fare rates for distance and times of day. This goes for everyone though.

One area though where there is an obvious fare difference for locals and non-locals is with tourism attractions. But I also find this to be a norm around the world. I think its unfair for locals to pay or pay the same amount as a foreigner to go to a temple or visit the Grand Palace.

[NicFrenchy]

My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.

That would be my guess, yes.

It applies to other countries and services other than the sex industry.

Taxi? No meter, 200 thb.

Moto taxi? 40 thb for a 20 thb ride.

Some attractions also have a surcharge for non Thais.

Hotels? Most have a Thai resident rate.

[NicFrenchy]

You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.

Now now. Hold your horses. While I agree that the behaviour of certain locals or tourists is way out of order, saying most (I read that as 7/10?) westerners are racist is ludicrous.

Been living and working here since 2004 and I can tell you the vast majority of westerners are polite and respectful.

One thing I'll give you though, is that with the arrival "en-masse" of chinese tourists, behaving as they would at home (not to their fault, they may not know better), I have seen a lot of westerners (and Thais) curse them. I do not approve of it but it is far from the majority.

[NicFrenchy]

Amusing post. 555.

I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way.

You hit the nail on the head.

Only Foreigners (read: non Asians) think they are buying a girlfriend, treating them to dinner and breakfast in the morning, even shopping.

To each their own, we spend our money how we see fit and buy whatever experience floats our boat.

[EihTooms]

My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.

I vaguely recall seeing a printed menu in a Bangkok restaurant about 5 years ago with two different prices posted for each item, a lower one for Thais and a higher one for everyone else. Maybe all Asians got that lower price. Don't know. I haven't seen a menu like it lately though. Of course, different prices for Thais vs Farangs is still going strong with many motorcycle taxi fares. Again, don't know if every Asian is quoted the Thai fare. The results of those products and services are fixed and bound to be the same for everyone who orders a meal at such a place or rides a motorcycle taxi from one place to another, too, much like the two tier priced soapy results I suppose.

[Goatscrot]

But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.

Don't think farangs are getting any better service for that money. The only time a soapy gal is going to go the extra mile is if she smells the opportunity to snag a sponsor, and a high dollar sponsor at that.

[Goatscrot]

You missed my point. Or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well. I think the reasons I have read for the Farang Surcharge are preposterous. And to illustrate that opinion, I posed a question about how on earth a papasan could explain that reasoning to the Asian customers.

". they add more if you're a farang. "

So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?

My guess is that the origins for the farang surchage go way back to when almost all farang in Thailand had far more money than the locals or other Asians in Thailand. "They have more money, so they should pay more. " Then a range of excuses were concocted to justify it.

[Grandaddy Perp]

It sounds like they have settled on an amount for Asian customers above which they believe most Asians would balk while at the same time are banking on most Farangs not noticing or caring enough to balk at an even higher price. That makes more sense to me than what is apparently told to the Farangs and whatever is told to the Asian customers in the know about the price difference.

I thought if we knew what Asian customers are told about the price difference then we might be able to compare notes on what we Farangs are told and come up with something to say to the papasan to assuage their fears or at least to capitalize on it. LOL.

Actually, I was rooting for the same story being told to the Asian customers as to the Farang customers. Not being a soapy fan, if I liken it to my go-go bar experiences, it would be as if some go-go bars charge blue-eyed customers a 1000 baht barfine while charging everyone else only a 700 baht barfine. Then, if I asked the mamasan why that was the case and she said it was because blue-eyed customers tend to want DFK, BBBJ+CIM and even BBFS from their girls so we charge them more for that kind of service, I would most definitely request a favor from the mamasan to please put my brown-eyed self on the blue-eyed customer program and start charging me 1000 baht too! LOL.

But in this case, it seems the extra 500 baht or whatever doesn't get you anything more than whatever the most minimal low demand customer would accept. Despite the fact that Farang customers are sometimes told the extra charge is because Farangs usually want, what, DFK, BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, two pops, BBFS, sex for most of the 90 minutes and so on from girls who would not ordinarily provide such things for their customers, I don't believe I have read many or any field reports saying that is exactly what they got for the extra money.

I was trying to be modest in my reasoning as to why the surcharge exists but it really does come down to what AlphaPunk2 says:

"Westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior."

You yourself are an example of what he speaks of given your repeated use of racial stereotypes:

"I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

Seriously? Have you seen Japanese porn? Its anything but unimaginative. Also, the whole 3-3-3 thing isn't reflective of reality.

And there is this comment:

"I don't think "Mr. Hashimoto" would really mind. In his eyes rooting around for extraneous amounts of time with a working girl is unbecoming and expecting them to cuddle and treat him like their BF is sad. Not something he is keen to do. He'd rather choose the prettiest and whitest girl there, get his pop in an efficient and dignified manner, and be on his way."

This is also the same with local men who play in this end of the pool.

You have to understand that these MPs have never really catered to lonely, sex deprived men. I won't go into too much detail about the true nature of the establishments because its not for me to tell but I will just say that Asians, or I should say the types of Asians who visit these places, haven't reached that level where women are purely and excuse my English 'cum dumpsters' or an object of release for their bottled up misogyny. For them, its mostly just a break from the office.

I get that Western progressive culture has created a lot of this pent up anger but don't take it out on Asia even if it they let you with mostly open legs.

[Ixgzca]

Has Yok from Cherry massage left the business?

Contacted shop and they said she gone back home and stopped working. Or is she working elsewhere?

Saw her there the other night. She wasn't dressed for work though. No clue what's going on.