Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Dart13]

Is it appropriate to openly ask mamasan which girls did not have a baby during the lineup?

I don't want to offend the ladies, but also last couple of times the girls had stretch marks, not awful but quite bad, so I'd rather avoid those next time.

[McRib]

Snow White is closed for 3 days over the new year so Ninja's clearly not going to come back before then.

Does anyone know if it's common for the shops to close up around the new year? My stopover happens to fall around that time, and Snow White was on my visit-list. How likely am I to find a locked door at Tulip, Mango, or the other PSE oilies?

[Member #4698]

Pay me a million Baht, and I might take one up there myself. LOL Just to illustrate everyone has their price. Pay the girl enough and she will surely do it. For just 500, only a few might change their mind.

You are right. Everybody has their price, but my price is not 1,000,000 baht, approx $27,800; no way! But for a $1,000,000 US dollars, yes, I would make my cherry ass available for 30 minutes, one shot only, after 7 or 8 Tequilas. Wire transfer payment required in advance. Any takers? 555.

I jest, but this is all based on very sound economic laws of the labor market. In theory, there is no job so hazardous, onerous, or difficult that can't find an adequate supply of labor at the right price. Handling radioactive waste was the example my economics professor used in the classroom. But taking it up the ass is a similar example except that for some, taking it up the ass is a turn on, so I wouldn't expect workers who like it to demand extra compsensation to do it. Thus I always assumed Tulip porno performers, for example, liked it up the asss and that's why they readily included it in their repertoire at no additional cost. An alternative explanation is that the anal girls are less attractive girls facing lower demand than other more attractive girls in the buisness, so they offered this service as a way to attract more customers. In either scenario I don't see why more $$$ should be asked for. This extra pricing phenomenon is not a good thing. Only in the case of a really hot in demand girl could the higher price be somewhat justified economically.

Finally let me add that I am not into shagging girls in the ass even when I am under the impression they want it and are enjoying it becasue I prefer vaginal intercourse. But I would like anal sex even less if I thought that the girl didn't like it either and was doing it only for the extra baht. That would really turn me off.

[Syzygies]

Your comparison makes absolutely no sense to me, you can not compare the seller of a shop that sells items with a girl selling her own body. How you can say that she doesn't get paid? Girls in PSE don't do nothing for free, they give you a service for 1500 baht plus massage fee to the shop. In the PSE shop not all ladies provide A+ so this is mean no one force them to do A+, is their body and they choose if do Anal or not. Some girls choose to not do A+, some choose to do A+, again is their choise.

Then you can try to draw other execuses, but would not change the speech. If you feel bad to go in a PSE shop and fuck girls in the ass for 1500 baht you can always give them 500-1000 or more baht for tip.
If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.

Yes some girls don't like it and they would rather forego business than do it for free (no additional charge). For extra money, just a few of the borderline ones might change their mind.

Pay me a million Baht, and I might take one up there myself. LOL Just to illustrate everyone has their price. Pay the girl enough and she will surely do it. For just 500, only a few might change their mind.

Indeed I think making the girl suffer, is worthy of a tip. A buddy of mine told me proudly, he had paid the girl a premium to fuck her ass, and so to make sure he got his money's worth, he claimed to have fucked her ass for almost 60 minutes.

[Dan7373]

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If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.

More money leads to more girls, and better-looking girls too.

It's just that this kind of thing takes time to happen. It doesn't happen overnight.

First, you start paying more money. The ladies start boasting to each other about how much money they've made. Then this encourages other ladies to join in the fun and have you nail their bum.

[Christian G]

It's not much of a choice, when the lady doesn't get paid for it. This is like going to a store and giving the owner a choice to give you something for free on top of what you buy.
Sure, sometimes the owner might give you a free trinket to keep good relations with you. But you won't get much, and you won't get it every time.
That's the way it is with ladies doing A+ for free, on top of what you pay for.
If you want the lady to tease you with her ass and invite you for A+, then you need to encourage her choice with some good compensation. Or else it's not much of a choice for her. Because she has no incentive to do it.

Your comparison makes absolutely no sense to me, you can not compare the seller of a shop that sells items with a girl selling her own body. How you can say that she doesn't get paid? Girls in PSE don't do nothing for free, they give you a service for 1500 baht plus massage fee to the shop. In the PSE shop not all ladies provide A+ so this is mean no one force them to do A+, is their body and they choose if do Anal or not. Some girls choose to not do A+, some choose to do A+, again is their choise.

Then you can try to draw other execuses, but would not change the speech. If you feel bad to go in a PSE shop and fuck girls in the ass for 1500 baht you can always give them 500-1000 or more baht for tip.
If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.

[Dan7373]

This is nothing more than a price increase....

I agree that a price increase isn't the best thing for guys. But having limited opportunity and choice for A+ isn't the best thing for guys either.

You get what you pay for. Which isn't much, when you don't pay anything.

Sure, there are some ladies who are doing A+ for free. But many of these ladies probably do it because they are less attractive than other ladies. This is their way to attract guys, who otherwise might not be attracted to them.

Looks are important too. And if you want better-looking ladies to start doing A+ with their guys, including you, then you need to provide some incentive for them. Or else they won't do it.

[Asian Rain]

I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.

Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.

This is nothing more than a price increase. If the former "all anal (A+) inclusive" price at the PSE shops was 2000 be, then the new price should be 1500 be "without anal" with an add-on option for anal at 500 be. Then we are at parity pricing and the ladies will really see providing anal as a way to make extra money. As the current approach stands, the girl can now provide a more restricted set of services for the same price as previous and the punter has to upgrade to get to the same point as previous. Next they will offer a-la-carte upsell options such as +200 be for kissing, +300 be for BBBJ, etc.

In my purely personal ideal of how an oily experience would go, I would walk into a shop where the receptionist would hand me an iPad with a list of options. I would tick all the options that fit my taste / desire at that particular moment. For example, I would tick DFK, BBBJ, rimming, BBFS, no baby, 18-25 yo and the system would spit out which girls matched criterion and their price. I could then select by the photos or ask for a lineup of all the girls that were of that profile to check out their in-person looks. Before going to the room, I would be happy to pre-pay as long as the girl pre-confirmed her understanding of my "ticklist of requirements" with a sign on the dotted line of committment. Of course this is just a dream. These McFuck places are just going to be what they are and service innovation is just wishful thinking. As many members observe, these shops require quite a bit of search with hit-and-miss results. Any girl that is spectacular will be short-lived. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[Dan7373]

....No one force the girls to do A+, if a girl provide A+ is her choice....

It's not much of a choice, when the lady doesn't get paid for it. This is like going to a store and giving the owner a choice to give you something for free on top of what you buy.

Sure, sometimes the owner might give you a free trinket to keep good relations with you. But you won't get much, and you won't get it every time.

That's the way it is with ladies doing A+ for free, on top of what you pay for.

If you want the lady to tease you with her ass and invite you for A+, then you need to encourage her choice with some good compensation. Or else it's not much of a choice for her. Because she has no incentive to do it.

[Dan7373]

The overwhelming majority of guys (a) don't have supremely good control over when they'll cum to make best use of the exact allotted time ....

I'd say that the majority of guys actually have extremely good control. It's just that they aren't in a good position to use it with their girl.

Virtually all guys masturbate, according to any sex-statistics you read. And you probably know this even from your own experience that you can make your pleasure last, rather than just do it hard and fast. It's not difficult for any guy to make his masturbation pleasure last for some time and not cum right away.

You can use the same technique to nail the lady with your dick. You just need to do the lady the same way you do it yourself with your hand. Which isn't hard to do, when you are on top of the lady, and you are doing all the work with her.

Basically, it's all about taking frequent breaks, instead of doing it non-stop all the time. You take a break, when start coming close to orgasm, then do it again. That's what enables you to last for a long time. And I think guys masturbate like this all the time, when they watch porn. This is something every guy knows how to do.

The thing that stops guys from lasting for a long time with their lady like this is the social situation during their penetration. You have no agreement with the lady about how long you can stay with your cock inside her pussy. And you have no idea if she will let you go back inside, if you pull out even for a moment.

This is a very insecure situation for the guy to be in. And that's why he does it in a totally different way, from the way he normally masturbates himself. Feeling insecure with the lady makes the guy do her all the time, non-stop. Which more often than not leads to a premature pop.

But it doesn't have to be this way, at least not in a P4P type of situation. You can agree with the lady on a 30-minute cock-inside-pussy ride, with only one cumshot allowed. And then you can feel safe enough to make yourself last with her, the way you normally make yourself last during masturbation.

I've watched quite a few porn scenes. And according to my estimate, the lady usually gets nailed for about 25-30 minutes in an average porn scene. And taking frequent breaks is the way guys last this long with their lady. You almost never see the guy get on top and pound the lady non-stop. It's always a little bit of oral. A quick pussy ride. Back to oral. Back to pussy in a different position. They change positions frequently, with some oral breaks in between. Then it might be some anal for the lady, if she is so inclined. But the key in all of this is the frequent breaks the guy takes. This is why he lasts so long.

Pull out, then go back inside. That's what enables you to last for a long time during the ride. But you need to be sure and secure that the lady will let you go back inside after you pull out of her. And that's why you need that agreement about how long you get to ride her pussy, even if you get only one cumshot with her.

Porn scenes are a good example of how it can be done. And it is a fact that vast majority of porn-scenes show only one cumshot. Guys make themselves last by taking frequent breaks with their lady. And it works for these guys, because they have an agreement with their lady about the time they get to ride her pussy or ass.

I think virtually every guy can do it like this. Because it's not possible to cum, when you aren't nailing the lady's bum. All you need to do is pull out. Take a quick break. Then plunge back inside for another ride.

[Christian G]

The ladies probably also say that that it's a slippery slope, when they do A+ for free. First it's A+ for free.

For Free? LOL you pay 1500 baht for her service, this is not free. No one force the girls to do A+, if a girl provide A+ is her choice.

The thing that makes A+ different from everything else is that virtually all ladies normally do everything else, but only some ladies do A+.

Not true, not all girls provide CIM or rimjob, so girls could start to ask extra tip for CIM and rimjob also. Or make a BBBJ extra, on another board I read a report from guy that got a CBJ from BB in Cherry Massage.

A+ is a special service. It's not like everything else. And that's why it needs to be recognized as separate and different in terms of compensation for the ladies.

This is just your idea, IME (I always go for A+) when girls not ask the tip for anal they always provide a good A+ service, when the girls ask for tip often is mean they don't want to do and try to earn more money for a bad service.

[Dan7373]

Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.

The ladies probably also say that that it's a slippery slope, when they do A+ for free. First it's A+ for free. Then guys will want something else for free too. And eventually it will get so bad that it won't be worthwhile for them to do P4P anymore.

You need to recognize that the ladies and guys have opposing interests to some extent. Which requires a compromise, where both sides get a part of what they want. Or else it's no deal.

Sure, it can be a slippery slope either for guys or for ladies, depending on who gets to have their way. But this kind of thing destroys the market. The only way the market can work is when you have a compromise. And 500B for A+ is a very reasonable compromise that does something for both ladies and guys.

The thing that makes A+ different from everything else is that virtually all ladies normally do everything else, but only some ladies do A+. A+ is a special service. It's not like everything else. And that's why it needs to be recognized as separate and different in terms of compensation for the ladies. Or else A+ is not even on the menu, let alone the lady encouraging you to go A+ on her.

[Christian G]

Perhaps the thinking is if there is a 500 baht surcharge for A+, more guys will simply go with standard service thereby bringing more business to the non-A+ girls, in turn making it easier to recruit and retain them.

Or perhaps guys who are looking for A+ will go to Snow White, Tulip, Sky and will avoid the 500 baht surcharge, everything is possible.

Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.

Agree, isn't positive at all, a-la-carte menu like FKK isn't good.

[Dan7373]

Even in shops where A+ is normal and free, I don't find girls offering it to me if I don't mention / request it, more than once every two years. LOL Hence I don't even know which girls provide A+, for most part.

If they were to receive a money bonus, I could be getting a lot more offers, perhaps. Might actually take it more, if the girl seemed really keen on it.

Yes, when A+ is free, then this is like extra work for no extra money. A lot of women probably see this kind of thing as unfair. Which discourages them from doing it. It's like you need to pursue the chick with your dick to get her to do A+ with you. And even then, she might say 'No' to you, just because she thinks it's unfair.

But when you introduce a 500 B surcharge for A+, then this changes the situation completely. Because now the lady has something to gain from getting you to go A+ on her. It's like you aren't safe with the A+ lady anymore as a pussy-only guy. She will tease you with her nice ass and make corny jokes about you doing her A+.

[Goatscrot]

I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.

Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.

Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.