Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Lefeu]

...Western men are better off in South America these days. Indo is still a decent choice in Asia though.

I am fairly familiar with South America, Tijuana, Rio, and Colombia, but I have also been mongering in Thailand since 2003, for a total of 20+ trips so far. I have been observing the teansition where Thai folks are catering more to Asians. I was shocked when I took a Chinese friend to Poseidon a few years back. I was charged the 500 bahts Farang surcharge and he was not, yet it was his first time in Thailand and the Poseidon staff knew me as I have been there many times. I never went back to that place.

However, I wanted to say that, for me at least, Thailand is still better than South America. Indeed, the white male is treated better there, but the service is still lacking, much more difficult to get GFE.

[Supmam]

Very insightful and essentially if you insert the word white male instead of westerners, my observation is that as usual, victims at the receiving end of racism are blamed for the prejudice they recieve (clothes money skin color, it's your fault darkie, etc), but when a white male experiences discrimination (Japan etc) the rules are different and it's outrageous.

The fact of the matter is, to Westerners of a certain age demographic, Thailand has been a playground for the men who feel marginalized by progress. Things have changed and they no longer are the perceived top dogs that they used to be and now must get in line. As the world turns as they say.

[Komo753]

Not always. I've been to Tokyo 3 times. Stayed in Kabukicho and had no problem getting into the Soaplands. I'm from Hong Kong and don't speak any Japanese, but perfect English. I guess it helps when you have tattoos sleeves like mine along with well connected Japanese friends. Even in Bangkok, I was able to frequent Thaniya, which is Japanese oriented. The Thai girls who work there as hostesses and bar owners don't want cheap Asians I or Farangs. Those are hostess bars and karaokes, so sex is up the girl even after you pay for the karaoke room, drinks, and tips for the hostesses time. So expect spend about 6-8000 baht, not including take out for the girl. This is their way of weeding out their unwanted clientele types.

I keep telling folks on here that P4 P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money." Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash. I think some folks can't handle the fact that, that YES, there is racism against those coming from a Western country like America. Oh well, when in Asia, better to learn to play by their rules or go to plan be through Z.

Good, you have been to Tokyo 3 times so now you know everything about Tokyo. I ve been living in Tokyo for a while, I have never had any trouble in Japan as a foreigner since I was able to keep a conversation in Japanese. I ve never been interested in mongering in Asian countries. Mongering scenes in Thailland is a waste of time unless you are only into Asians. I only monger in Russia, Brazil and some Eastern European countries. Japan is only for money.

I know Japanese people can't stand Chinese people. What they most hate is more and more Chinese people immigrate to their country. The last thing they want is to be invaded by other Asians.

[MonkeyPaw]

Japanese people think they are above everybody, when you are in Japan you are considered to be a guest. Japanese also look down on other Asians.

Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier. Even other Asians are not admitted to soaplands due to their lack of communication.

Not always. I've been to Tokyo 3 times. Stayed in Kabukicho and had no problem getting into the Soaplands. I'm from Hong Kong and don't speak any Japanese, but perfect English. I guess it helps when you have tattoos sleeves like mine along with well connected Japanese friends. Even in Bangkok, I was able to frequent Thaniya, which is Japanese oriented. The Thai girls who work there as hostesses and bar owners don't want cheap Asians I or Farangs. Those are hostess bars and karaokes, so sex is up the girl even after you pay for the karaoke room, drinks, and tips for the hostesses time. So expect spend about 6-8000 baht, not including take out for the girl. This is their way of weeding out their unwanted clientele types.

I keep telling folks on here that P4 P scene world wide isn't as easy as. "sex for money." Most of these girls have choices, so you better bring you A game and a wallet full of cash. I think some folks can't handle the fact that, that YES, there is racism against those coming from a Western country like America. Oh well, when in Asia, better to learn to play by their rules or go to plan be through Z.

[Goatscrot]

Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.

It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same. Similar places in Thailand have the same communication problems, but welcome foreigners. In fact, thinking about it, ONLY places in Thailand rejecting foreigners are those catering to Japanese.

Absolute racism and that seems to still permeate Japan. Just look at the way Koreans who have lived there for generations are treated. And yes, the "Japanese Only" clubs are overtly racist as are the bars that don't allow Indians. Sad that you still see that sort of thing anywhere on the planet.

[Christian G]

Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.
It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same.

Of course it's racism, language barrier it is just an excuse but is clear the message "japanese only". Anyway Japan is a beautiful country for sightseeing, and is more easy to dating regular japanese girls online instead of P4 P. Fortunately we have other countries to visit for a good mongering scene.

[Crocodilexp]

Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier.

Sorry, that's bullshit. It's racism / xenophobia all the way.

It doesn't take a PhD in English to tell the price and perform sexual services. A white guy going to those places speaking Japanese would be rejected just the same. Similar places in Thailand have the same communication problems, but welcome foreigners. In fact, thinking about it, ONLY places in Thailand rejecting foreigners are those catering to Japanese.

[Goatscrot]

You're basing your assumptions of the the the highest of society. Those hot Chinese and Korean women that you see roaming the streets with their cameras, lacy cloths, and frilly hats are generally high-so women who come to Thailand for to have sex with the ripped Thai guys scamming jet skis on the beach. Go figure. Actually, that's not all they come for but we can't discuss the other on this site.

I also find your comment about the lack of Thai male friends to be very typical but it proves the racism because Thai men are generally keen to befriend anyone who makes even a moderately half-hearted attempt to share a beer or a bottle of whiskey. I've spent time in all of the countries you've mentioned and Thais are at the top of the list when it comes to being the friendliest and most happy-go-lucky people you'll encounter. Of course, if you're over the age of say 40 you may have a difficult time getting a date with their 20 year old sister but I would thinks that would be a reasonable decision on their part and would question any brother who would do otherwise.

The fact of the matter is, to Westerners of a certain age demographic, Thailand has been a playground for the men who feel marginalized by progress. Things have changed and they no longer are the perceived top dogs that they used to be and now must get in line. As the world turns as they say.

Having a beer with someone is one thing; forming a close lasting friendship is another. I have some fine acquaintances here, but close local friends, no. So no, I don't think that proves racism at all. And those who have lived here will probably attest to the fact that many Thais who try to "befriend" you are not interested in getting to know you; they have other motives, especially if they feel you can do something for them. And yes, as I have stated, the Thai P4 P scene is catering to the Asian male now and his wants and needs are very different from those of the Western man. Western men are better off in South America these days. Indo is still a decent choice in Asia though.

[Komo753]

Yes, that example was about rudeness as you pointed out. I specifically typed that out in my post if you take a look again.

Mmmm yes I've seen that. On Sukhumvit Soi 26 there is a shop that only let's Japanese customers in. Not sure if the owner is Japanese or Thai. The staff who spoke to me there was Japanese. I guess that's an accurate example of racism? On a side note, this is quite prevalent in Japan from what I've read.

Japanese people think they are above everybody, when you are in Japan you are considered to be a guest. Japanese also look down on other Asians.

Many brothels in Japan that are called Soapland are not gaijin friendly, not because people are of different races but because they have communication problems. The problem is more about language barrier. Even other Asians are not admitted to soaplands due to their lack of communication.

[Lefeu]

...And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.

Indeed, that has been my experience, from living and traveling long enough. People always find a way to make fun of, or demean, people from a different ethnicity, or a different city, like city folks vs country side folks. There is nothing to like about that but that's how the world is at this time.

[Rob Jones]

My own experience here is 12 years of mostly full time. I'll present a couple of examples of how racist Thai people are. Not just rude but racist, based on my first hand experiences with people that I know pretty well. Two Thai brothers from South Thailand not only refer to the Issaan population of Thailand as "buffaloes", they ridicule their language as "Lao". Another man with his own company had several Muslim employees. Thinking that he might be too, one day I felt comfortable enough to ask him. "No I'm Thai". I got exactly the same answer from a working girl last week when I asked if she was from Issaan. Where I live local Thais hire many laborers from Myanmar. Local Thais express nothing but disdain for them. And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.

It's widespread through out Asia. My wife is Asian and some of the things she says about other Asian countries and different areas of the country she originates from are very disturbing but widespread. Every ethnic group is racist but it is whitey that has to feel guilty about it.

[Crazy4Thai]

My own experience here is 12 years of mostly full time. I'll present a couple of examples of how racist Thai people are. Not just rude but racist, based on my first hand experiences with people that I know pretty well. Two Thai brothers from South Thailand not only refer to the Issaan population of Thailand as "buffaloes", they ridicule their language as "Lao". Another man with his own company had several Muslim employees. Thinking that he might be too, one day I felt comfortable enough to ask him. "No I'm Thai". I got exactly the same answer from a working girl last week when I asked if she was from Issaan. Where I live local Thais hire many laborers from Myanmar. Local Thais express nothing but disdain for them. And really, isn't that they way of the world? In India they are openly labeled by caste. The same social layers are present in the US but not always so openly labeled.

[AlphaPunk2]

This is not racism, it is rudeness and ignorance. The word "racism" is more appropriate when a particular club don't let people inside or when have to pay a more high price due to skin color and roots. This is much worse and it happens in Asian countries.

Yes, that example was about rudeness as you pointed out. I specifically typed that out in my post if you take a look again.

Mmmm yes I've seen that. On Sukhumvit Soi 26 there is a shop that only let's Japanese customers in. Not sure if the owner is Japanese or Thai. The staff who spoke to me there was Japanese. I guess that's an accurate example of racism? On a side note, this is quite prevalent in Japan from what I've read.

[Komo753]

You want more? Sure.

2 white guys in a law firm in Sathorn (I'll let you guess which firm) were involved in a meeting this year. There happened to be a female Japanese employee present and you know what one of those 2 white men said to her upon introduction? "Oh you're from Japan! Nice, I like the porn your people make". Do you know how rude that is? All he could talk about to her after that was porn porn porn. Nothing else. Or is that ok to you LA Guy?

Another example, this time in Singapore. I was waiting to cross the road and I see this group next to me, 2 Singaporeans, 1 westerner. Now the timer just reset with a pretty long wait. The white guy wanted to cross no matter and the Singaporean lady in the group told him to stop and wait for the green pedestrian light. Guess what he said to her? "Nah it's ok they won't dare to drive into a white guy" and proceeded to cross, blocking traffic who has the right of way. Do you know how arrogant that is? Or is that example still "pretty pathetic" to you LA Guy?

A little titbit; after that fiasco, the Singaporean man in that group told her "get rid of him immediately and send him back to where he came from. That's the last westerner I will ever let into my company, too many problems and incidents in public. Why can't they listen?

It is not a matter of white, yellow, brown or black, I think most people will act that way because people are known to be self centered. In Japan I met many Asian jerks from western countries or other Asian countries. Don't generalize even Asian people have no respect for others. P.S. To me, all Asians look alike, I've never seen any white Asians unless they are Eurasian (mixed race). Only in the USA without taking Asians living in other countries into account. Many streets are dirtied by Asians, many of them throw their waste right in the street and many places are smelly. Everybody makes a mess, It is human. People are just used to their own rule, every country is ruled differently. Different mentality, culture and so on.

P.S: I am not Asian and speak Japanese, I know Japan very well because I've been living out there for a while. What I can say is many Japanese people don't really like Chinese people because they have no respect for their environment. Anyway, Good people are everywhere like bad people. The problem is not about race, the problem always comes from education. Ignorance take over people regardless of race. Many people are not ashamed of sullying their race reputation.

Enjoy your vacation and don't waste your time on what people people of other races do.

[AlphaPunk2]

So the Singaporean man generalised about an entire racial group on the basis of the actions of one person, in much the same way that you're doing. Your anecdotes (if true) don't reveal anything more than the massive chip on your shoulder.

Just 1 action from 1 person doesn't make people react that way. It's multiple negative experiences like that that makes one react that way. Sorry man if you've really been reading my posts you will know it.