Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Giotto]

No no, thats the Opebo line. I'm am not in that camp.

Mick Licker,Good. I absolutely agree with you !Giotto

[M P Lurker]

Or do I misunderstand something - no names because we don't want to destroy the bareback market? Giotto

No no, thats the Opebo line. I'm am not in that camp.I have not been doing bareback with MP girls in recent years.Some come awfully close to it when body massaging you with their pussy, but they are skillful enough for it not to accidentally go in, and I would not interpret this pussy massage as an offer to ram it in either.But I obviously don't want to do anything much with girls with high likihood of an STD like Chlamydia for example, as its very easily passed on despite condom precautions, based on my own experience, even by finger or by blow job. Condom accidents do happen occasionally too (either torn or slip off after lenghty sex).

[Giotto]

yes it is about that!girls may have done things that they now regret and have decided to change.most bareback girls would catch an std fairly soon, and would possibily decide to change their behaviour. i have known girls in the long past who changed their behaviour, and i can assume there is a good posibility that they changed after catching an std.

interesting point.then - may be mentioning their risky behaviour can speed up this change process and even prevent them from catching a std ... would that be wrong?or do i misunderstand something - no names because we don't want to destroy the bareback market? giotto

[M P Lurker]

For me it has also not to much too do with good or bad, or with badmouthing or destroying the girls reputation

Yes it is about that!Girls may have done things that they now regret and have decided to change.Most bareback girls would catch an STD fairly soon, and would possibily decide to change their behaviour. I have known girls in the long past who changed their behaviour, and I can assume there is a good posibility that they changed after catching an STD.

[Giotto]

Logic mambo-jumbo.You are condoning other guys to bad name a girl where you would not name anything. This is taking logic to its absurdity.You should not recommend things that you would not do yourself. That's a cop out. Hey go and do these things, but not me!There are lots of things I could write that would bad mouth certain people, but I keep it under limits. Its simply not a great idea. Its doesn't do those people any good nor does it put me in a good light either.

Nahh,Come on, you are writing reports and mentioning names. But you don't want to mention barebacking girls names. Is that logic or absurdity? Neither - it's your decision, what you write and what you don't write.I don't recommend anything. And I don't tell anybody what to do or not to do. I just fail to see why it is wrong to mention barebacking girls names. For me it has also not to much too do with good or bad, or with badmouthing or destroying the girls reputation - we all know that barebacking is happening out there!GiottoPS: Hey, man, I am not even finished with the report below ...

[John Euro]

Have been there before but at least 4 year ago, its beside Sukhumvit Soi 22 on Washington square, when walking from Mambo cabaret towards the Sazanka entrance, its on your right, a glass door with pot flowers in front, you can't miss it. I wanted to use mainly the sauna and steam as they advertise. I took the promotion package for 699Thb, 2 hour oil massage and free use of the facilities. They have 2 books to choose a girl from, one for girls doing only Thai, one for oil girls, it looks like not all girls do both kind of worksThe whole place looks worn-out, the best years are long time gone, it used to be some kind of entertainment centre with bars, wide staircases and many rooms, on the ground floor there is a big locker room with connection to a wet area with showers, a cold and a really hot tub, the sauna was at good temperature, the steam not on, I spend like 45 min. There to warm up. After using the wet area the boy from the lockers guided me till the 4th floor where the small rooms are, this with a table for oil massage, everything there need a bit of paint and a fresh up.5 min. Later the girl showed up with here toolbox, I chose here from the first page in the oil book, name Ying nr 39, tall girl not bad looking. Face down and she started with a decent massage and from the beginning here hands slipping permanently ?by accident? In to my ass and ball touching, more and more, this could not be accidentally but was the usual sign for extra?s. The massage was good and strong, after the turn over she was a bit more careless with the towel and then it came, Hi handsome man, strong man etc. A bit ego polishing for little John, do you want any special service? Maybe what is the price for HJ, 1000 thb, no way, I work in BK en know the prices very well, mmm 500 ok, yes OK, good try from here. I asked to undress but that would cost another 500 more, I was able to unhook here bra and play with the boobs all time, nice boobs btw. She was massaging the lower belly and groin area softly and now and the a bit more attention for Junior, more and more, really not in a rush and that job took minimum 30 minutes till the final explosion. She was very fair with the time, she cleaned me up and continue with the massage, looks like she could not leave the room before the 120 min job was. I am sure that even more extra is possible, as a security sign for unexpected visitors she as placed the stand alone coat hanger in front of the door.Will I go back, yes I think so as the HJ was not done in a rush as at most places.This was a non Tulip or Rin field report as asked few days ago.EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[M P Lurker]

Your report was about whether it is ok to mention names of girls in this forum who do bareback. I do not mention names - its not an issue for me at all. And I argued basically, that if we name good service providers we can also warn if somebody does bareback.

Logic mambo-jumbo.You are condoning other guys to bad name a girl where you would not name anything. This is taking logic to its absurdity.You should not recommend things that you would not do yourself. That's a cop out. Hey go and do these things, but not me!There are lots of things I could write that would bad mouth certain people, but I keep it under limits. Its simply not a great idea. Its doesn't do those people any good nor does it put me in a good light either.

[Giotto]

Mick Licker,Ohh, do I feel negative vibrations ?

...I could name girls at the Sports Bar that were crap performers in bed for me but I choose not to.

Sure, why should be different here in our bar than in all other establishments? And there are guys who are mentioning names and bad performance.

You have rules not to publish girls pictures too.

Correct. Complete different reason, we have no intention to market our place via the girls.

I am honest in what I write but I also check with favourites that are named that they are O.K. with the publicity I give them. I don't want to upset them obviously.

I respect and appreciate that - but I doubt that all other posters are acting like that, too.

If a girl that knows me, offered me bareback, she might feel very safe on the basis that she sees that I always supply condoms and never ask not to use one. She may therefore correctly suppose that I have not recently been doing any bareback and am probably not a guy of much risk

No idea why I got emotional or misunderstood something - but what I read here would be similiar as the following if written about a customer:- I know her long time- She always insisted on condoms- I think she is not going bareback with other customers- I can ask for bareback, she is not a girl of much riskI don't see that a girl offers bareback because she think that a long time customer is low risk. I also fail to see any reason that could lead a girl to OFFER bareback sex. That it happens, that it might be done to satisfy a customer or give a bonus to long time customers, that it is done for money - that's all possible. But OFFERING it is somehow a different dimension.

I am disagreeing with guys claiming that all the top girls do it all the time....

This report was not about guys claiming that all the top girls do bareback all the time.Your report was about whether it is ok to mention names of girls in this forum who do bareback. I do not mention names - its not an issue for me at all. And I argued basically, that if we name good service providers we can also warn if somebody does bareback.

...Yeh I have been offered bareback years ago. So what?...

So what - we both can confirm reports of others that bareback is OFFERED. That's all.Giotto

[Giotto]

...Are you trying to make fun of raptors report? Its a nice report IMHO. He is not trying to make this thread "strange".

Mick Licker,No - I just have stomach ache .Giotto

[Giotto]

Look supposing that you told me or someone else told me that you were a barebacker, would you like your name published?

Look, Mick, if somebody told me that you had sex with a bar girl, would you like your name published?

Girls are being named by anonymous ISGers, strikes me as being unfare. Someone will believe some of these stories even if they are crap and label the girl "bad".

Ahh - we can name girls we have good experiences with, and we label them "good" (even if the poster wrote crap), but not girls who are barebacking, because somebody could label them "bad" (even if the poster wrote crap)? And that's unfair then! Sorry - I fail to see the logic! And anonymous - anonymous are most writers behind a handle, you too, when you write positive reports and name a girl.

If a girl happens to offer bareback to a customer, it doesn't prove that she is doing that with every customer, so I would not wish to label her a "barebacker" in general. She may very well get smart, change her mind, and no longer be offering bareback before it is too late.

Correct. If a girl performs good with you it does not necessarily mean that she performs good with every customer. She also might get lazy and not perform as good any more.

Any girl doing it regularly will catch an STD sooner or later, ...

AND THAT IS THE POINT!!!!

Given this profound lack of knowledge, why name a girl?

I completely disagree! If she allows bareback we have knowledge!!! If we name good performing girls there is no reason NOT to name barebacking girls.

Is not the gentlemanly thing to do. Its more of an arsehole thing to do creating innuendo. So I'm not into that.

Hmmm, I don't really want to comment on that, but obviously I have to. I read details about sexual experiences and techniques from many posters mentioning the name of the provider - all that is not really gentlemanlike, it is usually a private experience between a man and a woman. To just reduce that on the fact of condom usage or not is definitely not a good argument.

Perhaps a guy creating bad gossip will no longer be welcomed at the place.

There are obviously some guys now creating that "gossip". And everybody is hiding behind a handle, same as you do. I don't see problems for the writer, except if I write !

If a girl that knows me, offered me bareback, she might feel very safe on the basis that she sees that I always supply condoms and never ask not to use one. She may therefore correctly suppose that I have not recently been doing any bareback and am probably not a guy of much risk

You are kidding, right? Do you believe the girl if she promise you, that you are the only one she is barebacking? Come on, man, don't give me nonsense like this. Girls lie, make up stories, customers lie, make up stories.

Another problem is that devious girls like to play little games with men. If a girl offered me bareback I would not automatically assume she intended to go through with it. Could be just testing how easily I would agree. In which case she could change her mind. I recall one P4P many many years ago before times of HIV, did bareback the first time or two with me (probably she was a newbie), and then subsequently changed to insisting on a condom every time.

That's more a customer strategy - offering a higher price to check out whether the girl would bareback or not. Mick, read the reports! Bareback does happen!

I have not ever been offered bareback at Tulip by any girl and I have been there many times. Sometimes I supplied my own condoms and sometimes I didn't. Maybe girls can just tell that I won't be asking for exotic things. I haven't even asked for anal.

I have been offered bareback sex in Tulip, years ago. Definitely OFFERED = "You want condom???" ! Additionally I had many, many experiences in serveral massage parlours in which - the girl did not ask for a condom- the girl did not prepare anything- the girl on top tried to plug in without condom- the girl had to be stopped from me insisting on a condom- the girl laid down on the back, spreading her legs, expecting me - without insisting / preparing a condomNumerous experiences like this. If you don't insist on a condom you can easily go bareback in many massage parlours.It's not a Tulip specific problem, but the phenomenon exists.Giotto

[M P Lurker]

In my experience, the girls that offer bareback the most are the least professional ones, non-P4P or borderline girls is the number one category and bargirls comes 2nd.The more expereinced and professional the girl is, the less likely she is to offer it or accept it when a guy asks for it or demands it.Of course my overall Oilies experience is not big (just over 1 year only) compared to Soapies and bargirls.

[Georgek]

Georgek,Who is "Georgek"? 4 reports, and not a single contribution...Giotto

I am not the one making serious allegations against an establishment.My previous post made precisely the points about the original controversial post that you made a few minutes later. As much of a contribution on this issue as yours.

[BionicMan]

I definitely agree with you on this one. In my case it was a year and a half ago and I never went back to that girl even if I do go back to the MP. But never did I publish who she is and I am not stupid enough to go bareback with an MP girl. I only confirmed first hand report that BareBack was OFFERED to me. And for those of you who are PMing me to ask me who she was, forget it, I'm not interested in promoting girls who will go bareback.

It is quite debatable whether it makes sense NOT to piublish names of girls going bareback.In one way, I agree, you promote a girl and her edge behaviour (so bring her to the arms of other people living at the edge). And that should not happen, you are right.On the other way rather than a promotion it can be seen as an alert about a certain girl doing bareback as part of her nomal behaviour. Therefore pointing out she is at the edge and warn other mongers (careful about) about her dangerours behaviour.We know certain deseases are not transmitted only by strictly sexual contacts (on a non sexual note you can get some foot skin problems just by walking barefoot in a place such as a swimming pool).Therefore an alert on the behaviour of a careless girl (can we rate her as such?) could be positive.it can also be the sign of less care, less attention in many areas of her life beheaviourFor sake of argument, do you want to DFK a girl that has done bareback CIM 15 minutes ago with who knows what kind of a dick?On principle one can think a DFK is nothing so dangerous (and not necessarily is),but what's behind (behaviour) can make it so.Just my 2 cents...

[Daddy San]

My latest experience is just a couple of days old in a "Traditional Thai MP" on soi 33/1 (?), the first one on the west side, where all I wanted was a foot massage, after a day's sightseeing and very sore feet. Since my jeans were too tight to pull over the knees, I was asked to exchange them for a pair of those XXL massage shorts. Although I was the only customer in the shop, I was not allowed to drop my pants in plain view of the 5 elderly ladies, but led up the stairs, for propriety's sake.In passing a shower, I thought, I might as well freshen up. My lady, about 150 cm, close to 40, but not unattractive, clearly misinterpreted my request and immediately asked "You want oil massage?" Why not, so after the shower, as I lay down naked, she covered me with a towel. "I am shy" she explained. Given her age, I tended to believe her, and all I really wanted was a foot massage, with a bit of oil thown in, and certainly no hanky panky.The foot massage (excellent) came and went and progressed seamlessly into the oil massage. True to her word, the shy lady always moved the towel, leaving only the area under her immediate attention uncovered. Apperently, massages must be done according to the book, so some time after the flip, a happy ending is apparently obligatory, whether you want it or not. I did not (I had another date later on) and tried to explain as nicely as I could. She would not take no for an answer. Probably thinking that I wanted "not just a HJ", without any further discussion (difficult, given my Thai and her English) she stripped, revealing a really super body for any age. A bit small on the tits, but a perfect ass, to drool over, just the way I like them, (the asses).The uneexpectedness of the situation took it's toll on me and brought junior to full attention. The lady took this as a encouragement and prepared to mount me, no condom in sight. Her fabulous ass had already made me forget my date later on, so I would have given in, but dicisively demanded a condom first. To which her answer was: "Thai massage, no condom"

[NicFrenchy]

I just realized that after my Injured Pecker incident I did not post any reports. Not that I have stopped going to the Massage places but lately have been a little lazy to report on it.This is going to change today, I am in a good mood, writing mood. The problem with writing a review is that, for me, I re-live each moment in my head and by the time I am done writing, I am horny again!Anyhow, the past weeks it was good to meet a few forum members, Mick, Tansak KTV, Centaurus and share a few laughs. Am I boring you? Yes? Ok, I’ll get on with the report.As Mick told me after my last report not to be too harsh and give Miss R @ Luxury another try, I made my way to Soi 19. On the way to Luxury, Across the street is Friends Barber and Massage where a Farang was seating outside, talking with the ladies and having a beer.Arriving at Luxury (where they really know me by now) the receptionist greeted me and the cashier gave me a big smile. No need to say anything, she brings me the book and goes get my water. While I peruse the book I notice a new face but not to my liking. I am here to get revenge from my last session with Miss R but somehow, I can’t find her in the book. I call the cashier and ask for her: CASHIER: she holiday (I know for a fact that Miss R does not take her day off on a Friday)ME: she never take holiday FridayCASHIER: she holiday long long time, go back E-sarnME: really?CASHIER: yes, she have baby” (she mimics the pregnant stomach)ME: huh? But I was with her last week… no big stomachCASHIER: oh, really? ME: yesCASHIER: oh, but not her baby, Family, yes, she holiday, you pick other lady, good lady, same sameME: ok, Thanks but you know when she come back?CASHIER: Long timeI decided not to indulge in a complicated conversation with the Cashier. So the news is that Miss R has left for what looks like a couple of months.Flipping through the book I wanted to see if my #2 choice, Miss Milk was available, No luck, she was busy so I decided to go with Ying. The cashier gave me a strange look and was going to say something but I cut her before she could speak: “yes, I know, she old, Saab Leo”. Ok, Ying it is.Arriving in the room she slaps my shoulder…wtf? I look surprised and she tells me: YING: why you not come so long time? I want to see you but you not come see me, you take other ladyME: What?YING: I know, you go with Lady L**** (Miss R)ME: How you know?YING: She say me she have handsome customer, name Nic, I know it youME: I take her because you busy already with another customerYING: No, I not busy, I wait youME: Yes but that day you busy so I take another girlYING: I not busy, she tell me you come see her and I not busyME: Where she now?YING: oh, she go back her homeME: okYING: I miss you why you no come see me?ME: ok, I am here now, we go shower ok?Damn I did not need the Drama but Ying confirmed that miss R is gone for some time. Bummer, I still loved her big tits and tight pussy.As usual we skipped the massage and went right into kissing and feeling each other up, lots of foreplay and her usual orgasm from DATY (she does not let me stop until she is fully satisfied). There is a good thing about being with a 35 years old woman: she knows what she wants and how she wants it.She gives me the usual BBBJ with lots of balls play before putting the condom and mounting me. Something felt strange with the condom but I did not give it a second thought and continued the sex. After a few minutes I could feel something wasn’t right and I realized that the condom was a little big for me. Looking at the cover, it showed: 56 (geez, I’m not that big) I had her switch it to a 54. All this time changing the rubber got Johnson all soft and somehow unable to come back to life. Ying was a good sport, she gave me a good Balls massage and BBBJ until I was all hard again. Condom came on (better fit this time) and I went back at it. We had sex in different positions and I could see in Ying’s eyes that she was begging me to finish. I went slower, very slow thrusts while kissing her neck and licking her ears: she was planting her nails in my ass! LOLI got the message and allowed myself to Finish: 90 minutes instead of the original 60 minutes. I paid the Extra 200.Ying made me promise to come back and see her and I told her I would be back, but not too soon unfortunately (I want to try other girls)