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  1. #18474
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Absolutely agree. Some girls and some shops can be busy, but in general, times are tough, especially for newbie girls who have not yet got a set of regulars and a reputation. Then if looks are very so so, how can she compete. Its much easier if shops get too busy and almost any girl can get booked.

    One day turned up to Doki Doki mid afternoon, which I assume is doing better than the average shop by a significant margin, yet 12+ girls were available (maybe 15 did not count). Cannot have been so busy that day.

    It's the girls who best know if business is overall good or lousy. How many girls get turned over, because they simply can't get fucked enough.
    One problem I have had with DD is no-availability of rooms. Kiss told me that they only have 8 room (though their rooms extremely big), and 2-3 room's AC is not working. Which mens, every time I try to book, mamsan says that room is not available. This is little annoying.

    P.S.: Last I tried DD was a month ago, so maybe AC problem is solved by now.

  2. #18473
    Quote Originally Posted by Paolo99  [View Original Post]
    They are superior in what way? Maybe they offer a better specific service that some other shops, but that's the only thing I can see them being superior at (and personnaly I prefer the service offered at SW).

    In looks they are certainly not (although I didn't see Kiss and it looks like she is attractive), and some of their girls are 40 up.
    Sorry about vagueness. DokiDoki is probably not trying to compete with Snow White, so not superior for porn star capabilities. So superior compared other Oily MPs of a non-porn star type, was my intended meaning.

    The other qualities of girls that could relate to superior are looks and service. We don't seem to see any bad reviews of Doki girls suggesting service levels are way above average. My girl was exceptional for trying to give me the best possible experience. In a line up of 12 or more girls there were 2 or 3 I considered doable, so that is higher than normal where most MPs have less beautiful looks (including Snow White in my visits) for my taste (slimmer girls small face). I don't waste time considering the exact standard of all the lesser looking girls. Can't say I noticed if any girls looked 40. Paid no attention. I am not age centric but like a hot body. My Mrs still looks damn hot at 39. Even considered one girl who was a bit pudgy but with a good face. Nadia had a very tight slim but curvy body (small waist), looking like she works out for sure. I guess well under 30 YO but body of 20 YO. Only negative was the implants for me (but I tolerate them sometimes when other aspects are good).

    I must admit first visit to DokiD they had only 4 or 5 girls in line up and none were doable for me. Too old (ha ha) and dumpy (not nice slim types). That is a few months ago.

    If a shop cannot attract any girls superior for looks, and mostly girls superior for service, they could fail quite quickly. Snow White presumably survives mostly by high service levels. Overall looks standard is a bit iffy. Plenty of time I left without taking a girl. Best girls can be busy.

    Now if a an MP has some lookers, but service is lousy, it is not much use. Plenty of times I did a looker just once. If she performed well enough, then normally plenty of repeats for me with "superior" girls for looks and service. I need both normally.

    My last SW girl, "Beauty" was chosen for her face, even body was not really slim enough for me, but no one else looked better at the time. A skinny girl was seen coming down the stairs later, that might have suited me. I think it was probably Lemon.

  3. #18472
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    Talk to the mamasans. They will all tell you that business is not good. You might happen to hit the place at a time it is busy, but it's not busy compared to a few years ago. There will always be gals who are popular and hard to book, but overall most gals are not doing so well, and that is why so many have gone overseas to work.
    Absolutely agree. Some girls and some shops can be busy, but in general, times are tough, especially for newbie girls who have not yet got a set of regulars and a reputation. Then if looks are very so so, how can she compete. Its much easier if shops get too busy and almost any girl can get booked.

    One day turned up to Doki Doki mid afternoon, which I assume is doing better than the average shop by a significant margin, yet 12+ girls were available (maybe 15 did not count). Cannot have been so busy that day.

    It's the girls who best know if business is overall good or lousy. How many girls get turned over, because they simply can't get fucked enough.

  4. #18471
    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    There was no logical fallacy. Time to stop sniffing your own farts, old boy.

    I do remember Cream and she stopped working years ago. I don't recall her ever not being A+. None of the current crop of girls have gone from A- to A+. In fact, May went in the opposite direction.
    The only Cream I remember was the one who worked at SW. She was A+ and amazing. White skin, skilled, enthusiastic, and gave a hell of a massage.

  5. #18470
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBenn  [View Original Post]
    This, and fierce competition between the girls, is how superstars are created.
    Guess I would disagree with this statement. Thais are cooperative for the most part, not competitive. Gals that perform at a higher level than the shop standard are often shunned by the rest of the staff as they will tend to get more bookings. Great example of this is Pin who used to work at Boss but now plies her trade on Soi 4. She was getting 4 to 5 customers as day as she was the only true PSE and A+ gal in the shop. The other gals could not stand her because she had so many regulars. The mamansan even turned on her at one point and tried to steer customers away from her. Sandy at Addict is another one who was not liked by the other gals because she was too busy. Instead of upping their game, the other gals expect the performers to lower their game to the median level of the shop. I would contend that a superstar shows up to work the first day with certain qualities and a certain affinity for sex. They tend to like sex, enjoy seeing men getting off, are not "cum-phobic," and posses all the qualities and desire to develop a great skill set. The PSE shops used to do a very good job of recruiting these gals and got some lookers as well. Conventional Western economic wisdom would tell you that as more and more shops opened, performance standards would increase as competition did, but the exact opposite happened. Gals who were better looking drifted to shops where less was expected of them, and in order to keep a few so-so lookers the PSE shops lowered their standards and some instituted a 500 Baht "butt penalty" as well. Back in the day Tulip, Snow, Mango, Cherry, and Victoria were all girls do everything, no exceptions. Not the case now.

  6. #18469
    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    You've said a few times now that times are hard and girls can't get customers but I see no evidence of this. Last time I went to Snow White I bumped into another customer going out as I was going in and there were 2 Japanese / Korean guys sitting on the sofa waiting because their preferred girls were busy. It seems Snow White is doing better than ever. Of course certain girls and shops decrease in popularity and the girls you're talking to may be a victim of that.

    I do agree with you that good reviews help a girl. They want as many customers as possible and they understand that some of those customers will be difficult. I think it's quite mean to the girl if you get good service but don't post a good review.

    Top girls in the oilies can easily get 5 customers a day so can earn more than gogo girls.
    Talk to the mamasans. They will all tell you that business is not good. You might happen to hit the place at a time it is busy, but it's not busy compared to a few years ago. There will always be gals who are popular and hard to book, but overall most gals are not doing so well, and that is why so many have gone overseas to work.

  7. #18468
    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    Is she fatter than Snow White's Ninja was?
    If I am not mistake Ninja with someone else, even I wouldn't call Ninja fat (at least the few times I met her). So for sure Apple is fatter.

  8. #18467
    Quote Originally Posted by Goatscrot  [View Original Post]
    I haven't had a favorite at Mango in years. My top four, Cherry, who went on to open Cherry Massage, Bo, had her the second day Mango was open, Ann, who was related to Nestle and only worked occasionally during the second and third year the shop was open, and Ammy. None had kids, all three holers, all pure PSE, and seemed to take great joy in the entire process or were very good actresses. Either is fine. <snip> Ammy was thin, cute, and could deliver. Could take all you could dish out. Two of these gals loved come as well. Liked to play with it on the their bodies or yours.

    I miss gals like this..
    Ammy, now that's a blast from the past. I really liked her. One of my all time favorite massage girls. She was very attractive, passionate, and really knew what she was doing plus she was always into making me feel great. I used to love seeing her. I thought about her a bit after she dropped off my radar screen. Ha Ha. I wonder what she is doing now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    I have preferred other slimmer girls over the years. E. g. Fern was older but slimmer, and repeated. Long term favourites there were Cat, followed by Cherry, followed by Yok, and finally Fern. No other girls done more than twice. Some I liked, but disappeared too quick.
    Fern was my last repeat Mango girl. Not as good looking as Ammy and I liked Ammy more, duh, but Fern was very nice and yes, she was an older girl, You could tell by looking at her nipples and her tits, ha ha. Her tits had a slight sag or drop to them. Not mommy damage, just the eventual effects of gravity on all well endowed girls over time as they age into their 30's and womanhood. It is kind of sexy, you know, although I would have preferred knowing her when she was 20. Her tits at age 20 must have been pretty amazing. But I liked Fern. I used to Line her up and invite her over to my hotel for a couple of hours before she went to work. Don't know about her Porn star capabilities, but she was another Mango girl with a graduate degree in sexual technique. She gave great BJ's and had all the right moves while shagging. She really knew how to turn me on plus like I said, she was a really nice girl. I still have her Line number. I even thought about contacting her a couple of times in 2018, but then decided against it. 555. Most times it's best to move on.

  9. #18466
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Sure we can attract maniacs to girls, but right now some pretty girls in MPs are complaining there may be no business for multiple days. I know one or two. Getting some positive publicity could be help. Of course 3 or 4 dud reviews for a girl, we are likely to avoid her, as too risky. Even to find out that a particular girl has magnificent large high natural tits could be an attractive point.

    Over the years I have had more different Mango girls than at Snow White, so overall they did have the odd girl that suited my taste, but not all the time. My early days at Snow White was exclusively June, while had Cat at Mango.

    Girls that want to give anal for free have option not to work at Mango, however girls like to have options to make extra given lack of price rises over many years. Many girls still making about 1400 for a fuck session. Does not make sense compared to bargirls trying for 3 K these days (perhaps accepting 2500). The discrepancy seems too high unless level of looks is massively different. Doki Doki has a new price structure to help the girls get good money, and therefore attract superior girls, perhaps.
    You've said a few times now that times are hard and girls can't get customers but I see no evidence of this. Last time I went to Snow White I bumped into another customer going out as I was going in and there were 2 Japanese / Korean guys sitting on the sofa waiting because their preferred girls were busy. It seems Snow White is doing better than ever. Of course certain girls and shops decrease in popularity and the girls you're talking to may be a victim of that.

    I do agree with you that good reviews help a girl. They want as many customers as possible and they understand that some of those customers will be difficult. I think it's quite mean to the girl if you get good service but don't post a good review.

    Top girls in the oilies can easily get 5 customers a day so can earn more than gogo girls.

  10. #18465
    Quote Originally Posted by Francesco24  [View Original Post]
    I think I am the last report that said she is fat. For me she is fat. But for me anyone that isn't slim is fat.
    Is she fatter than Snow White's Ninja was?

  11. #18464
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBenn  [View Original Post]
    Off the top of my head, I can name 4 girls. Cream, Kate, Aom and Daa. There were many more but you would have to check the Wayback Machine to see precisely when the A+ marker was added to the profiles of the various girls on the Mango website. This happened regularly.

    Girls naturally become more adventurous as their sexual experience grows. Your incredulity is a logical fallacy. If you have difficulty understanding how or why a claim is true, it doesn't automatically mean that the claim is false.

    I won't question your opinion about which shop has the better looking girls because beauty is entirely subjective.
    There was no logical fallacy. Time to stop sniffing your own farts, old boy.

    I do remember Cream and she stopped working years ago. I don't recall her ever not being A+. None of the current crop of girls have gone from A- to A+. In fact, May went in the opposite direction.

  12. #18463
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Doki Doki has a new price structure to help the girls get good money, and therefore attract superior girls, perhaps.
    S,

    What is this new price structure at DD's that gets the girls good money?

    Has it changed from the 3000 60 minutes 3500 90 minutes?

    My info from the girls is that they keep 50% of the house fee I. E. 1500/1750 same as regular oilies for 60 minutes and 250 extra for 90 minutes.

    Nina leveraged her relationships with girls at Mitu and elsewhere to join her in her new venture. What then and now makes it attractive for girls to work there is Nina's management style, service standards and room amenities which brings in the punters in droves.

    It has been a win win for the girls in that 4, 5, sessions per day is the norm for the popular girls but a massive earner for Nina and her partner raking in over a mil and a half a month before overheads. I've often wondered what the monthly envelope contains.

  13. #18462
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBenn  [View Original Post]
    Apple is not fat and neither is she skinny. Her figure and skin colour are exactly as portrayed in her photographs. Unlike most massage girls, her belly is flat. Her clothing conceals only her large natural breasts. When I followed her up the stairs, she looked quite average from behind but, when she stripped off, I was very impressed. That doesn't happen often these days.

    Apple has a body worthy of any go-go bar but she doesn't have the outgoing personality required for that gig. She is timid and skittish by nature. Initially, she exuded fear and negativity so I went down on her right away and made like a Chinaman slurping noodles until she was moaning like a plague victim. When I finally came up for air, she was a different woman.

    Her blowjob is almost non-existent due to her dental braces but, aside from that, she gave me a full-on GFE and I left walking on air. I am still daydreaming about her amazing boobs.

    Apple is the ultimate YMMV girl. If you don't have sufficient game to charm a timid civilian girl then you should opt for a more experienced provider. Apple is one for the "tart-whisperers".
    I think I am the last report that said she is fat. For me she is fat. But for me anyone that isn't slim is fat.

  14. #18461
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    Doki Doki has a new price structure to help the girls get good money, and therefore attract superior girls, perhaps.
    They are superior in what way? Maybe they offer a better specific service that some other shops, but that's the only thing I can see them being superior at (and personnaly I prefer the service offered at SW).

    In looks they are certainly not (although I didn't see Kiss and it looks like she is attractive), and some of their girls are 40 up.

  15. #18460
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBenn  [View Original Post]
    Mango has always managed to recruit girls who are more attractive than their rivals at Snow White. I think this is because Snow White expects its girls to do anal right from the get-go. Mango, on the other hand, recruits both anal and non-anal girls. The latter are often much prettier. Quickly, however, they discover that their less attractive but anally-receptive co-workers are earning much more than them. There is only one way to compete. Motivating remarkably pretty girls to let big hairy foreigners fuck them up the arse is what made Mango great.
    Really?

    How come the two times I've been in Mango I've been deceived both by the looks and by the service provided by these two girls?

    Both times I chose a girl that was said to be A+ and both times I've been rejected when I wanted to fuck their ass.

    First time was with Ae a few years ago, she had a not beautiful belly and I had a not very good time with her.

    Second time was recently with Sara, she is bigger and darker than I thought, I went to see her just because of A+ and I was denied access to it. To her credit she offered me to come back the next day and said she would allow me to fuck her ass but I wanted to do it in the first session.

    I've seen the line up in both SW and Mango and I don't think girls in Mango are better looking.

    Most importantly, I've never had any girl gave me a so so service in SW. In my opinion these two shops are not comparable at all, they don't compete in the same league. The level of service in Mango was at almost zero for me, and was mostly excellent in SW.

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