Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Member #4698]

So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?

Bingo! The mamasans and papasons carry small cards in their pockets with prices per category girl printed on them. There is one card for Asians and another for Caucasians. On one or two very rare occasions the mamasan showed me the wrong card, but she quickly recovered from her faux pas. So I assume most Asian customers are completely unaware of the two-price scheme; only those punters who read this forum, have Western friends, or are inadvertently showed the wrong card like I was would know.

These places like to present a genteel club atmosphere. The hosts therefore appear to be very discreet and do not engage in price negotiations/discussions in any depth. It's a take it or leave it and if you think the price is too high, why did you come here in the 1st place kind of attitude. Perhaps that is the real reason for the Farang tax. These places wish to discourage lower Suk type stereotypes from visiting and giving them grief or perturbance. It's discrimination alright. So, what else is new? This is LOS.

[EihTooms]

Wow this is really grinding your gears.

From my experience, as an Asian-American who doesn't have to pay a surcharge, the price is a flat rate and then they add more if you're a farang but more often than not, I'm just given the normal base price associate with the girl's code. I've never heard of an Asian discount, that's just the normal price. No explanation needed.

You missed my point. Or perhaps I didn't illustrate it well. I think the reasons I have read for the Farang Surcharge are preposterous. And to illustrate that opinion, I posed a question about how on earth a papasan could explain that reasoning to the Asian customers.

". they add more if you're a farang. "

So, if I may ask you, what did they tell you the reason was for charging the Farangs more? Or has a reason never been mentioned and no Asian has ever asked?

[AlphaPunk2]

On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?

I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?

Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?

Read my previous post about it again. I'm half korean half chinese FYI so there's your answer.

I've been living and working in Bangkok since I was 19 and most of my friends here are 18-29 years of age. I've had the same conversations with everyone of all backgrounds and ages, be it university students, professional corporate workers or escorts / working girls; all answers are the same, westerners are generally not liked. You want a super specific reason as to why that is so? I'm sorry if it offends but most westerners (albeit not all) showcase racism, superiority complex and downright arrogance. I have travelled all around the world and observed the same unfortunate behavior.

Let me share with you just 1 of many personal encounters of this sort.

I was eating at Mcdonalds in Sathorn and this American sitting opposite me dropped his pen, it fell over to my side of the table onto the floor and it was obvious due to the position / design of the table that he would not be able to reach it without walking across half of the room and around. I could have ignored it and be unhelpful, but I chose to be nice and picked up his pen and passed to him. He took the pen without looking at me, without saying thank you, and just continued watching a show on his tablet.

Don't get me started on other examples.

At Grandaddy Perp. I absolutely agree with you.

[Grandaddy Perp]

On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?

I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?

Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?

Wow this is really grinding your gears.

From my experience, as an Asian-American who doesn't have to pay a surcharge, the price is a flat rate and then they add more if you're a farang but more often than not, I'm just given the normal base price associate with the girl's code. I've never heard of an Asian discount, that's just the normal price. No explanation needed.

[EihTooms]

On the topic of a Farang Surcharge at some of the venues, which I suspect is actually considered an Asian Discount by everyone else involved other than us Farangs, what are the Asian customers told by the papasan is the reason for the reason for the price difference?

I assume they aren't told the logical reverse of what we Farangs are told; "Well, Mr. Hashimoto, we don't charge you as much as the Farangs because, frankly, it is well known your kind are rather sexually unimaginative, the girls could practically sleep through your incredibly low demands, you barely last longer than 2-3 minutes and your dicks are really small."

I mean, it's got to be explained in a more flattering (and, imo, more realistic) way than that. Something on the order of, "Mr. Hashimoto, we value your patronage and are happy to offer you a discount from the regular rate," yes?

Surely they don't keep the Asian Discount a secret from their Asian customers. So what do the papasans tell them?

[Christian G]

Hi again, one question about the price. Has it gone up? Last year I remember paying about 1500 for 1 1/2 hours.

Still, if the service is good I don't mind pay a little more. But basically all the girls at SW are the same price range, right?

Thanks.

Prices at Snow White are always the same. 1500 baht for the girl + the massage fee (400 for 1 HR, 600 for 90 min, 800 for 2 hrs) everythings included, no surcharge for A+ service.

[OlgaVaz]

If you read my previous reports, I had two sessions without finish on this first trip to Bangkok. I wanted to try every type of mongering there I can get to in 4 days. And get some sightseeing in. Oillie, Thermae freelancer, bar fine go-go. I save the priciest for last. Went to Lords after some shopping and an IMAX movie. The lobby where the selection happens was really lit up. Not overly crowded but about 2 dozen guys. There were like 10 "hosts mamasans" greeting arrivals. The one I got showed me the price card -5000-10000 bahts, was very pushy and wanted me to choose immediately. I got a drink instead and scanned the ladies. She put me in a seat way away from the view of the girls. I walked around and checked out the 30 or so girls- pretty uncomfortable for me as it started to feel like I'm buying a cut of meat. I could see 3-4 I could do, but my first choice was taken as I was scouting. You snooze you loose.

I told the mamasan to get No. 15, who was at the 2nd tier 5100 bahts, named Nac (sounds like mace). Pay at "hotel check in desk" around the corner and leads me to a room. Nac has an attractive face, about 5'2" and enhanced. Nice body, sweet and good English. Drew a bath, and we had a little fun. That was the extent of the "soaping" and massage. Towelled off and more fun in the bed. Even at the lower tier, I guess you get what you pay for. She was GFE all the way -BBBJ, kissing, cover, good enthusiasm in different positions. As commented by my previous encounter, she was surprised at stamina and size, but in her case she took a good pounding and I finished. We were about 75 minutes into our 90 minute session. I rarely have two pops in me, and she was pretty sore and didn't think she could stand another. We chatted, showered, tipped and out before my 90 minutes. Probably not repeat as there are others to try.

[Grandaddy Perp]

It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.

While this may be what you've experienced as far as potential GF material, I can say that this is not the norm in Bangkok, unless you're trying to corral a sex worker from Nana or Soi Cowboy and make her into a really LT partner.

There are plenty of options for real relationships with attractive women who have regular full-time jobs and the only animal that they may bring into the equation being a pussy cat. No horses either. Just being a nice and caring guy who won't screw them over will get you a similar lady in return.

With that being said, if you're just not the type then you're not the type and if there is anywhere in the world where you don't have to be its Thailand.

[Goatscrot]

Yes, the live-in GF choice is definitely a terrible deal for most of us today. Especially if, as you have been asserting, the brick and mortar venue options are seriously losing their value to us.

I have been living in Bkk about five years so far and must have dug in my heels 10-15 times and resisted the inclination to invite a special girl to carve out a space in my closet, fill a bureau drawer or two and set up camp in my apartment. It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.

Does that mean I don't enjoy the pleasure and comfort of a "GF" in my retirement? Not even close. Thanks to online options like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly (I'll leave the fast and furious booty call apps to those who need them) as well as girls I meet along the way outside the P4 P business, I have MANY genuine GFs, any one of whom will come over for the night at a moment's notice, spend their day off with me, travel with me on holiday, whatever, but only on my invitation and only when I wouldn't rather have a quiet night alone. Or a night out on the hunt with my friends.

I still do a go-go bar night or two almost every week and still shop for FLs on my rounds. But I am on about 80% regular, non P4 P Thai girls these days.

Meanwhile, these regular, non P4 P girls are among the youngest, best looking, most affectionate, most sexually skillful and satisfying Thai girls I have ever had. Seriously, I am getting better sex with Thai girls today and for less cost than I ever did in the past. And I credit that smart phone with the Line app on it nestled in my pocket for most of that positive difference.

If I did not have a live in; I'd be playing it the same way. Yes, most non-p4 p gals are smarter and better educated and that all adds up to a better experience in and out of the bedroom. My gal of over a decade has her MBA, the family is not parasitic, and is a card carrying atheist like myself. Also not a jealous bone in her body. Aside from being pretty sharp, she also models swimsuits and fitness wear on occasion. I'm in a pretty great position with her and think any trade in would be a trade down. But if we ever spilt, yours is the road I am taking.

[EihTooms]

For residents with GFs, the online option is not so great. As you stated, it requires time and effort, and is not that discreet.

Yes, the live-in GF choice is definitely a terrible deal for most of us today. Especially if, as you have been asserting, the brick and mortar venue options are seriously losing their value to us.

I have been living in Bkk about five years so far and must have dug in my heels 10-15 times and resisted the inclination to invite a special girl to carve out a space in my closet, fill a bureau drawer or two and set up camp in my apartment. It requires conviction and a willingness to fend off all the expected pouting and pleas to ride in on a white horse and save the day for her feelings, her future, her family, the family buffalo, and on and on. But that isn't why I worked my ass off in the USA, divested myself of virtually all material possessions, left whatever family and old friends I had grown up with for 60+ years to do.

Does that mean I don't enjoy the pleasure and comfort of a "GF" in my retirement? Not even close. Thanks to online options like ThaiCupid and ThaiFriendly (I'll leave the fast and furious booty call apps to those who need them) as well as girls I meet along the way outside the P4 P business, I have MANY genuine GFs, any one of whom will come over for the night at a moment's notice, spend their day off with me, travel with me on holiday, whatever, but only on my invitation and only when I wouldn't rather have a quiet night alone. Or a night out on the hunt with my friends.

I still do a go-go bar night or two almost every week and still shop for FLs on my rounds. But I am on about 80% regular, non P4 P Thai girls these days.

Meanwhile, these regular, non P4 P girls are among the youngest, best looking, most affectionate, most sexually skillful and satisfying Thai girls I have ever had. Seriously, I am getting better sex with Thai girls today and for less cost than I ever did in the past. And I credit that smart phone with the Line app on it nestled in my pocket for most of that positive difference.

[Goatscrot]

We've lost control of that "Scene" years ago. Truth is, in the massage world, we've always been in the back of the bus compared to Asians.

What's our scene now is online dating / encounters / apps or whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of your girls ready and waiting to meet (of course not always for free), and that, the other Asians haven't tapped into yet.

Badoo, Tinder, Tagged. If you're smart you could have a different girl lined up each night of your holiday here.

Downside? You need to invest time, sometimes a lot of time, but I believe the reward will be more satisfying than any massage place.

For residents with GFs, the online option is not so great. As you stated, it requires time and effort, and is not that discreet.

[Grandaddy Perp]

Uh, well that is one way of looking at it. The other is that we actually like sex and expect the gal to at least act like she does and are not there to claim a trophy so we can tell our friends we paid x amount to have sex with a pretty girl, even though she was a bit of a starfish. Fair share? If expecting a gal to provide either a PSE or a GFE and at least two pops for a session that many are paying well in excess of 100 USD for in a country where the minimum wage is less than 10 USD a day and the majority of degreed persons make well less than 3 k USD per month is more than our "fair share," then most non-Farangs must have pretty low expectations of what a "fair share" is. Sorry, when you are paying top dollar, you should get quite a bit more than a lazy gal that is looking to get away with as little as she can and a management that allows it. For the most part performance standards have decreased as prices have increased. Go figure. Well, I place the blame squarely on the Asian punter who does not make demands but settles for what he gets. Has had a terrible effect on the P4 P scene in Thailand in general.

This whole scale of economics argument doesn't hold water when it comes to prostitution and it has nothing to do with Asians, as a matter of fact there is a greater argument to be made for Westernization as the true cause, specifically the rise of capitalism. Just look at prostitution in first world countries dominated by 'farang' populations to see what I mean. A top level escort in NYC can command thousands of dollars for a few hours when the minimum wage is $7.25. Same goes for London. Bangkok is now a major metropolitan and one of the Asian hubs but for a Thai pin up model you are still paying a small fraction of what you would pay for the equivalent in America and the service will roughly be the same if not better here if you request like for like services.

[Roaming Viking]

Hi again, one question about the price. Has it gone up? Last year I remember paying about 1500 for 1 1/2 hours.

Still, if the service is good I don't mind pay a little more. But basically all the girls at SW are the same price range, right?

Thanks.

Thanks for the update o Emmy. I will be sure to try her when I visit later this month. In the past I have also tried Audi. She is really sweet and offers excellent service, no holes bared and CIM.

I'd appreciate any update on Kasalong and L*.

Cheers!

[Grandaddy Perp]

It's a bit naive to think the welfare of the girls is of much interest to the management. I'm sure they put up with some pretty bad shit from Asian customers too. It's all about racist attitudes and fleecing the customer.

I don't think its really an issue of 'welfare' but more about keeping the girls in the place. Fact is, these brick and mortar establishments are having a hard time keeping top level staff on premise. The online / social media model has taken over and most of the hottest ladies are just FLing these days. This is one of the reasons why the pricing has skyrocketed in just the last couple of years. Before that there were 4-5 venues that had the same amount of top level ladies that the Lord has now. Its supply and demand and if you can get paid more to do less work, I imagine you would make the same choice as they are. Another thing to consider is that the ladies generally get tipped more from Asian guys than farangs. You just can't bring that entitled attitude like this "Women are naturally built to have sex" into this scene anymore. Say what you will about Asian men but they are favored because they don't view these ladies as sex machines, more like status symbol idols.

[NicFrenchy]

Truth be told, we farang have had our day. It's not really our "scene" anymore and its going to become less and less as time moves on.

We've lost control of that "Scene" years ago. Truth is, in the massage world, we've always been in the back of the bus compared to Asians.

What's our scene now is online dating / encounters / apps or whatever you want to call it. There are a lot of your girls ready and waiting to meet (of course not always for free), and that, the other Asians haven't tapped into yet.

Badoo, Tinder, Tagged. If you're smart you could have a different girl lined up each night of your holiday here.

Downside? You need to invest time, sometimes a lot of time, but I believe the reward will be more satisfying than any massage place.