Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Syzygies]

Every GF I ever had was not the least comephobic. CIM was always part of the program. With most swallowing as well.

LOL. I don't talk about your GF I talk about GFs in general. I never tried to cum in mouth of a GF who did not come from P4 P or requested it. I assume the average guy does not get this either.

CIM is not incompatible with GFE just not guaranteed. Plenty of GFs do not provide it.

Look for guys not service oriented GFE is not much about a specific lost of services other than fuck and DFK. Its more if she gives the impression that both of you can enjoy the session somewhat well, enjoy I understand some GFs maybe do not enjoy. Its the impression of her eagerness to please and lose herself a little rather than perform procedural tasks or services.

If I say a girl was GFE does not mean I asked if she does CIM. I might not know the full set of services she can do. It wasn't relevant.

[Sunlover2]

Every GF I ever had was not the least comephobic. CIM was always part of the program. With most swallowing as well.

I am thinking regional and cultural differences. For those of us stuck in Western world hell it seems easier to get A+ play than CIM with a GF. Thai ladies seem to prefer CIM because they don't want to mess up their hair and makeup 555.

As for TG P4 P I think you can count on CIM 100% in a BJ bar, but less than 100% in other situations unless specifically discussed. YMMV.

SL.

[EihTooms]

Every GF I ever had was not the least comephobic. CIM was always part of the program. With most swallowing as well.

Same here. If CIM is so uncommon or exotic as to be considered Pornstar behavior, I guess that means virtually every girl working in the many BJ bars around the world, not just in Thailand, would be considered a pornstar level performer. But we know they are not. That would also go for more than half of the go-go dancers I have barfined throughout Thailand and the Philippines, the beer bar girls, freelancers, etc. Yet, I would not consider the vast majority of them to be pornstar level providers.

I for one don't even think a discussion of "blowjobs" ought to require the additional term "CIM", since CIM to my way of thinking is what a blowjob is all about, although I recognize that many of us on these boards refer to what is actually merely oral foreplay as a "BBBJ" sometimes. A blowjob that finishes any other way than in the mouth is really a handjob (or however it finishes) with some oral foreplay thrown in. Apparently, patrons of the BJ bars of Thailand, the Philippines, etc. agree with me on that point because I don't know anyone who refers to those BJ Bars as "BJ+CIM Bars" even though that is the standard for how BJs are finished in those bars. We just refer to them as BJ Bars because everyone knows that is what a real BJ is and how a real BJ finishes.

I don't even think I have ever needed a girl to be a bone fide "girlfriend" in order to automatically finish her BJ with CIM. That has been the standard way of finishing blowjobs throughout my life even with one night stands I've met at a party or in a restaurant / bar. In the USA, the reason I have heard for the prevalence of CIM AND Swallowing the cum as often as "because I like / love you" was that it was simply so much cleaner, neater and less messy to catch it all in their mouth and swallow it down the hatch quickly and efficiently. An utterly prosaic and pragmatic bit of reasoning, really. Nothing to do with trying to emulate pornstar behavior. LOL The best way for your girl to fill a room with the smell of cum and get it all over her face, hands, the sheets, you and seemingly everywhere else is to not capture it all in her mouth (and, preferably, swallow it) but instead to dodge it at the last second and let it fly wherever it goes.

[Goatscrot]

I don't believe CIM is a typical GF behavior at all. I recall only one or two semi-GFs into that. Might be a requirement for you but I don't expect it to be completely normal and I don't need it from a GF. Not many girls really like it, and not many girls are that into anal either. These are more Pornstar type girls for me.

I am well aware you are BBFS sex man, but I am not doing that with every girl I meet. One GF was open to BBFS only after she saw my test results. One girl fucked me BB first and wanted to see the test results later just to be sure before making BBFS the habit.

I am happy with Sunlover2's definitions.

Every GF I ever had was not the least comephobic. CIM was always part of the program. With most swallowing as well.

[EihTooms]

I don't believe CIM is a typical GF behavior at all. I recall only one or two semi-GFs into that. Might be a requirement for you but I don't expect it to be completely normal and I don't need it from a GF. Not many girls really like it, and not many girls are that into anal either. These are more Pornstar type girls for me.

I am well aware you are BBFS sex man, but I am not doing that with every girl I meet. One GF was open to BBFS only after she saw my test results. One girl fucked me BB first and wanted to see the test results later just to be sure before making BBFS the habit.

I am happy with Sunlover2's definitions.

I agree with you that Anal is more porn star behavior. But I would assume a girl that I considered my "girlfriend" had little to no real interest in considering me her "boyfriend" if she were still cum-dodging at the end of a BJ after being with her regularly for, oh, a month or so. It would be clear as day she just wasn't all that into me. In the first week or two, I would probably not come to that conclusion. But after a full month of seeing a girl regularly enough for me to consider her my girlfriend, cum-dodging is not happening without me already seriously shopping for a better girlfriend quite a bit more into me than that.

I would consider Sunlover2's definition of a GFE, "GFE = good attitude, kissing / DFK, some genuine passion and engagement, allowing herself to become stimulated, no significant stop signs", to be about what I'd feared most on these boards were talking about when they praised a girl's GFE. But for me that would be rock bottom basic ok / acceptable P4 P behavior, maybe a notch above total Starfish. Subtract any one of those, IMO, minimal attributes and I wouldn't consider a repeat even for free.

[Syzygies]

Guess I like that Chinese look. The gals is this picture are just about perfect. You don't find gals like this in Thailand too often. The one in the middle is perfect.

https://www.4shared.com/photo/ExZdde...e-asian-ph.htm

These are exceptional Chinese girls, not average. The faces are not so round. Sure they look good. The one in the middle has a slightly unusual nose (maybe operated I am not sure). Not much different to a pretty Thai look for the middle one (others more distinctly Chinese look). The bodies are excellent more curvy than you average chinese girl. Nice "gap" allowed by thighs not to fat. Pity we can't see the asses too. LOL. I would definitely be happy to take number 2 and 3 (on the right).

I love the actress Shu Gi as well. Some Chinese girls are hot. Some are horrible, with slit eyes, round puffy face, straight body and flat ass.

[Syzygies]

I can't think of a reason I would ever tout a P4 P experience as being a GFE and not mean she allowed FS to completion with no condom. Perhaps see it as merely a more politically correct coded way to refer to BBFS but with the additional inference of taking it to "completion" (not asked to pull out). As opposed to PSE, a GFE in my book would mean she was up for the more standard "girlfriend" behaviors of BBFS and BBBJ+CIM without hassle or discussion but not necessarily Anal.

I don't believe CIM is a typical GF behavior at all. I recall only one or two semi-GFs into that. Might be a requirement for you but I don't expect it to be completely normal and I don't need it from a GF. Not many girls really like it, and not many girls are that into anal either. These are more Pornstar type girls for me.

I am well aware you are BBFS sex man, but I am not doing that with every girl I meet. One GF was open to BBFS only after she saw my test results. One girl fucked me BB first and wanted to see the test results later just to be sure before making BBFS the habit.

I am happy with Sunlover2's definitions.

[Goatscrot]

Well yes, very few really stunning girls in P4 P, not 10 a penny at all, and the surgeries are definitely not helping. Western guys definitely have different taste to Thais. Thais hate brown skin, western guys generally don't mind and will accept any colour. Thais appreciate the westernised surgeries look with light skin. I don't. They like to say that the Farangs have to take all the girls that the Thais throw back. Thai men seem to often go for Chinese looking rounder faced girls with light skin, usually big tits and not too slim. Not my taste at all.

I have met some all natural slim Coyote girls that were very much my taste and Thai taste as well. Palm who used to be at Mercury had many fans whether western or Asian. She was excessively cute tall model. Unfortuantely have no pic.

I used to see a lot of western guys walking with really ugly looking girls to my taste, however, recently I have seen many guys walking with quite attractive girls. I don't know what has changed. Surely it is not my eyesight. LOL However there is still wide variation in taste of guys.

I don't like broad squashed noses or broad jaws but fortunately many Isaan girls do not have that. Broad jaws and square face that I don't like are actually more prevalent in Chiang Mai. 95%+ of the Bangkok P4 P girls are from Isaan so better get used to them. I suppose quite a few Northern girls in the Soapies but rarely in bars or Oilies. Met a P4 P "Bangkok" girl the other day and was quite surprised and even sceptical. LOL.

When first came to Thailand, I spent quite a bit of time with a group of Southern Thai girls working at Thermae Soapy. Hardly meet southern girls in the modern day. They don't come to Bangkok if they work P4 P. Maybe Hat Yai or Phuket.

My eyesight was not always great when I first came to Thailand. LOL. I know when I look at pics of some girls I took 20 years ago, or even 15 years ago. Some but not all, look really ordinary now. So we get more fussy for sure.

Guess I like that Chinese look. The gals is this picture are just about perfect. You don't find gals like this in Thailand too often. The one in the middle is perfect.

https://www.4shared.com/photo/ExZdde...e-asian-ph.htm

[Syzygies]

Indeed it can be fun. My favorite is to have my thumb digit-deep while in doggy. I can then grip the small of the back and work the girl's ass in sync with my thrusts. Illustration attached. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

Yes that is a way that helps me to cum. Plenty of girls don't seem to mind it, which surprised me a little. Others would not allow. I like the girl to tickle my balls at same time if possible to really send me to peak.

[Syzygies]

Yes, they are, but there are very few incredibly attractive gals working in the P4 P industry these days. Go to Thonglor on a Fri / Sat night and you will see amazing looking women. Go to malls and look at some of the amazing Korean tourist chicks. Sadly when you return to any of the P4 P venues the women don't look so good. I guess I am way over that Isaan look for the most part. Just does nothing for me. And I think the longer you stay here the less it appeals to you. A friend's Thai gal once said to me, "When farangs first come to Thailand their eyes don't work. " She is correct.

Well yes, very few really stunning girls in P4 P, not 10 a penny at all, and the surgeries are definitely not helping. Western guys definitely have different taste to Thais. Thais hate brown skin, western guys generally don't mind and will accept any colour. Thais appreciate the westernised surgeries look with light skin. I don't. They like to say that the Farangs have to take all the girls that the Thais throw back. Thai men seem to often go for Chinese looking rounder faced girls with light skin, usually big tits and not too slim. Not my taste at all.

I have met some all natural slim Coyote girls that were very much my taste and Thai taste as well. Palm who used to be at Mercury had many fans whether western or Asian. She was excessively cute tall model. Unfortuantely have no pic.

I used to see a lot of western guys walking with really ugly looking girls to my taste, however, recently I have seen many guys walking with quite attractive girls. I don't know what has changed. Surely it is not my eyesight. LOL However there is still wide variation in taste of guys.

I don't like broad squashed noses or broad jaws but fortunately many Isaan girls do not have that. Broad jaws and square face that I don't like are actually more prevalent in Chiang Mai. 95%+ of the Bangkok P4 P girls are from Isaan so better get used to them. I suppose quite a few Northern girls in the Soapies but rarely in bars or Oilies. Met a P4 P "Bangkok" girl the other day and was quite surprised and even sceptical. LOL.

When first came to Thailand, I spent quite a bit of time with a group of Southern Thai girls working at Thermae Soapy. Hardly meet southern girls in the modern day. They don't come to Bangkok if they work P4 P. Maybe Hat Yai or Phuket.

My eyesight was not always great when I first came to Thailand. LOL. I know when I look at pics of some girls I took 20 years ago, or even 15 years ago. Some but not all, look really ordinary now. So we get more fussy for sure.

[Asian Rain]

Having your knob in a girl's pussy and a finger in her arse is great

Indeed it can be fun. My favorite is to have my thumb digit-deep while in doggy. I can then grip the small of the back and work the girl's ass in sync with my thrusts. Illustration attached. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[Goatscrot]

The thing is attractive girls are ten a penny in Bangkok so I look for a girl that will do that little bit extra.

Yes, they are, but there are very few incredibly attractive gals working in the P4 P industry these days. Go to Thonglor on a Fri / Sat night and you will see amazing looking women. Go to malls and look at some of the amazing Korean tourist chicks. Sadly when you return to any of the P4 P venues the women don't look so good. I guess I am way over that Isaan look for the most part. Just does nothing for me. And I think the longer you stay here the less it appeals to you. A friend's Thai gal once said to me, "When farangs first come to Thailand their eyes don't work. " She is correct.

[Whoreman]

It finally dawned on me that perhaps I should not have taken the question too seriously. Anyway I have no problem to finger a girl's ass if she likes it. Some do I guess and I recall one girl requesting it. However I was surprised when she told me why her fingernail was shorter. Did not indicate at all what she liked only she was aware of some guys wanting a certain service.

Having your knob in a girl's pussy and a finger in her arse is great, that's why I asked. I'm sure a lot of guys like doing that. A lot of girls do too but some will refuse it, probably because they're worried that you'll stick your dick in there next.

The thing is attractive girls are ten a penny in Bangkok so I look for a girl that will do that little bit extra.

[Goatscrot]

Individually defined; but IMO and briefly:

GFE = good attitude, kissing / DFK, some genuine passion and engagement, allowing herself to become stimulated, no significant stop signs.

PSE = basically the above plus raunchy kinky stuff like: aggressive style boom-boom, dirty talk / role play, toys, COF / CIM, A+.

SL.

This would be my definition as well.

[EihTooms]

Individually defined; but IMO and briefly:

GFE = good attitude, kissing / DFK, some genuine passion and engagement, allowing herself to become stimulated, no significant stop signs.

PSE = basically the above plus raunchy kinky stuff like: aggressive style boom-boom, dirty talk / role play, toys, COF / CIM, A+.

SL.

To me it means that the way the girl behaved was a good as could be expected from a GF or better, so that you felt like she was into it perhaps. I do understand some real GFs are a bit limited in their sexual abandon, so a GFE could actually be more passionate, perhaps. Getting exotic services or a porn star performance is not what I think of as standard GFE. I never had a GF that wanted to ass fucked for example. So that would be a bonus rather than GFE requirement. Technical ability in the BJ is not really a GFE requirement. Not all GFs give the best BBBJs.

So GFE is simply like your were experiencing a girlfriend. I could exclude perhaps the use of condoms, so that GFE does not require bareback FS.

So yes a working girl can be passionately kissing and responsive as much as a real normal girlfriend, or difficult to detect the variation. So they really need to seem horny or as least very willing to qualify as GFE. Most girlfriends I experienced were responsive enough once they got into it, but not always wanting to start a session.

GFE should include reasonable DFK. That is a basic for most guys. Attempting to turn the girl on or get her off should be permitted, even if not successful. DATY should be allowed. Girl should move with sex and not lie like a starfish. These are probably the minimum requirements. Sound effects are allowed. Some hookers moan excessively but it needs to feel real rather than just an act.

I believe it is much easier to get a GFE out of a girl who is not fucking too often. Once she has to a porno session 5 to 8 times per day, you could imagine she might get a bit jaded by the end of the shift. I do not like to be that customer. I prefer hookers who are fresh, and its a bonus if they have not had a fuck for several days which happens in some circumstances, even if not frequent.

Some working girls do tell me they really like sex, some of the time, and some customers. They admit they may not be just going through the motions, which means pulling of a GFE can be easy sometimes, and other times requires incredible acting. Some girls are honest enough (not all), and will say it did not quite work for them to get an orgasm on the occasion. Others will say they don't want one due to being too tired or conserving energy. No big deal since not every GF had an orgasm every time.

I try to give the girl a good fun time as far as that is possible, even though sex could get boring. If she seems to be having fun and a good time, then she is probably achieving GFE. If she seems like she just does the required job, obviously not.

GFE has levels. O.K. , good and super GFE, for example. The more passionate and into it the higher the rating.

O.K. I admit if you happen to have a very multi-orgasmic very sensitive girlfriend, and I have had, then a hooker is going to have difficulty to produce that level. However there are GFs that had the same 2 cums and others that got none. I did experience a wildcat hooker recently, I don't know how many pops if any, but she did seem aggressively into it. Could have been an act, or her normal style.

Anyway the term GFE has been around for a long while to mean a girlfriend approximating experience.

I can't think of a reason I would ever tout a P4 P experience as being a GFE and not mean she allowed FS to completion with no condom. Perhaps see it as merely a more politically correct coded way to refer to BBFS but with the additional inference of taking it to "completion" (not asked to pull out). As opposed to PSE, a GFE in my book would mean she was up for the more standard "girlfriend" behaviors of BBFS and BBBJ+CIM without hassle or discussion but not necessarily Anal. Are there many men in the world who would imagine or tolerate a girlfriend not taking care of the birth control business enough to easily and without hassle allow BBFS with them or who would continue to accept a girlfriend who routinely pulls her mouth away from a BJ when he came? Personally, I wouldn't believe a girlfriend of mine is all that into me if she didn't just swallow instead of spit at the end of a BJ but understand that many a girlfriend out there does not swallow for their men in the same way that many do not engage in Anal with them. But I believe BBFS and BBBJ+CIM are much more commonly accepted and expected girlfriend behaviors.

On the other hand, PSE would mean to me no condom everything was on the menu, including Anal, whether indulged in or not, and threesomes, along with a wilder variety of positions and activities along the way, say from CG to Mish to Doggie to BBBJ to CG to BBBJ+CIM, for example. I doubt many men expect their girlfriends to behave that way. But unless they are watching much more boring porn than I have bothered to sit through for more than 5 minutes, I believe that is Porn Star behavior. And, yes, swallowing instead of spitting at the end of a BJ is what I would generally mean if I touted a girl as behaving like a Porn Star.

We already have terms for more girlfriend-related behaviors like DFK and we have the term Starfish for a girl who almost literally just lays there without even pretending passion for the experience. Otherwise, the idea of "passion" or her "being into it" is way too subjective to mean anything at all for the next customer who walks into a venue or chooses a certain girl. Some men are aware of and appreciate a quiet, understated kind of passion and might even see it as more "genuine" than a P4 P girl who flails about, loud moaning, groaning and such. So the idea of a GFE meaning the girl seemed into it more than just for the money might merely mean that particular customer was more sensitive to her subtle responses than the next guy would be. The next guy expecting her to be "passionate" or "into it" could easily wonder where is the flailing, huffing, puffing, moaning and groaning he was expecting.