Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[Goatscrot]

The big difference between a motorcycle mechanic and a P4P lady, is that you don't care about the mechanic's looks. Any guy will do, as long as he knows how to fix bikes. But you do care about the lady's looks. And doing it with another lady isn't the same thing.

I am paying for a service. If I was not paying then that would be different.

[Crocodilexp]

But I'd say that 'filtering' might not be a good way to do it. This should be more like bargaining, than filtering. Because ladies can often be persuaded to do what you want. Even ladies who do A+ now, probably didn't do A+ when they first started out. They changed their minds at some point in time and started doing A+ with guys. And the same thing goes for two-cumshots.

I understand not all ladies would do A+, it's just not everyone's cup of tea (I have an anus as well, and don't appreciate anything shoved up there). Two shots is entirely different, that's simply a matter of agreement, it takes no special skill or tolerance.

Any indirect filter (especially A+) has a major disadvantage of excluding ladies who might have been OK, but do not match the filter. Back when attitudes were better and sessions cheap, there was much less need for filters: as Goatscrot said, there was no need to filter 500-1000 baht FLs, at that price almost any service is OK. Unfortunately at 2000++ baht per session, I don't care to chance too many disappointments.

As for bargaining and training, I'm not particularly eager to do that on my own dime. Some people might have a different personality type and not mind this, but I do not.

[MichaelSamuel]

One more followup, just checked the CC bill and even though I told them to charge in THB they did it in USD at the shitty exchange rate so lost $9 there. Definitly seeing that problem more often while traveling in general. Anytime using a card need to tell them when handing it over to charge in local currency. The CC point of sale operators rates are always crap.

I am not a 100% sure it was 75 min, could have been 90. I have the girl's line ID, will see if I can find out.

[MichaelSamuel]

I am not a 100% sure it was 75 min, could have been 90. I have the girl's line ID, will see if I can find out.

Thanks for the FR Michael. I had visited Lords in November and the prices have indeed increased. I remember paying 5400 baht but it was for an "O" category girl. All category of girls prices were ending at 400 starting from M till XL. It seems that not only have they increased the prices to end at 800 across categories but have also changed the category alphabets. M was the beginning range at 3400 during my visit. I had a lady Mamasan to assist me during the entire process and the line up was thin comprising of 10 to 12 girls around 8 pm.

The time I got with the girl was 90 minutes per session and now seems to have also been reduced to approx 75 minutes as per your experience. The supposed changes don't seem to have done for the better, never have been in the mongering world.

[Dan7373]

Dan, I don't want to train the dude that fixes my washing machine or my motorcycle mechanic either. That is the shops responsibility. I am the customer. That is the venues responsibility and the gals. It is up to her to research, experiment, and learn. If not, then what am I paying her for?

I don't think this is about training. It's about giving people a chance to gain some experience and learn on their own.

The big difference between a motorcycle mechanic and a P4P lady, is that you don't care about the mechanic's looks. Any guy will do, as long as he knows how to fix bikes. But you do care about the lady's looks. And doing it with another lady isn't the same thing.

When you don't give people a chance, then the less-attractive ladies might stay anyway and eventually become good at it. But the better-looking the lady, the more options she has. And it's ladies like this whom you boot out of the P4P market, when you don't give them a chance.

[Goatscrot]

People don't become experienced all of a sudden. And experienced people don't stay in their occupation forever either. Older workers leave, and younger inexperienced workers come in. That's how it always has been, and there is nothing anybody can do to change this.

I suppose you can say that you don't feel any responsibility at all for maintaining the P4P market. But if everyone approaches it with such an attitude, then after a while there might not be much of a P4P market for anyone.

It's like employers in many western countries often reject inexperienced graduates from schools. Many of these graduates leave the profession and find something else to do. And then these same employers complain that they can't find enough workers for their profession.

When employers don't take any responsibility for maintaining the job market, then they are just thinking short-term and screwing themselves in the future.

Dan, I don't want to train the dude that fixes my washing machine or my motorcycle mechanic either. That is the shops responsibility. I am the customer. That is the venues responsibility and the gals. It is up to her to research, experiment, and learn. If not, then what am I paying her for?

[Dan7373]

Personally Dan I have no desire to persuade. I want an experienced gal with a very good skill set that is doing things of her own volition and better yet, enjoys them and enjoys playing with a man.

People don't become experienced all of a sudden. And experienced people don't stay in their occupation forever either. Older workers leave, and younger inexperienced workers come in. That's how it always has been, and there is nothing anybody can do to change this.

I suppose you can say that you don't feel any responsibility at all for maintaining the P4P market. But if everyone approaches it with such an attitude, then after a while there might not be much of a P4P market for anyone.

It's like employers in many western countries often reject inexperienced graduates from schools. Many of these graduates leave the profession and find something else to do. And then these same employers complain that they can't find enough workers for their profession.

When employers don't take any responsibility for maintaining the job market, then they are just thinking short-term and screwing themselves in the future.

[Goatscrot]

IBut I'd say that 'filtering' might not be a good way to do it. This should be more like bargaining, than filtering. Because ladies can often be persuaded to do what you want. Even ladies who do A+ now, probably didn't do A+ when they first started out. They changed their minds at some point in time and started doing A+ with guys. And the same thing goes for two-cumshots.

Personally Dan I have no desire to persuade. I want an experienced gal with a very good skill set that is doing things of her own volition and better yet, enjoys them and enjoys playing with a man.

[Dan7373]

To chime in on the anal sex discussion, in the oilies, asking for anal is useful as a filter.
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Asking about most other sexual activities is useless. For instance, if promised BBBJ or even a deep BJ, she can deliver a token 20-sec lick with poor attitude and call it quits (she technically delivered). With A+, there's not much leeway, she accepts to be screwed up the ass at the customer's discretion.
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Other useful filters (mostly for freelancers / bargirls) are asking for a two-shot ST session ....

I'd say that both A+ and two-cumshots are ways to ensure that your sex will last for some time with the lady.

The thing about professional P4P ladies is that most of them know how to make a guy cum quickly and render him unable to perform. And then they can just take it easy with the guy for the rest of their session with him. You need something like A+ or multiple-cumshots to get around this trick and nail the sexy chick real good with your dick.

Even an experienced P4P lady probably can't get you off quickly with her ass. She needs you to take your time with her and do it nice and slow. This is one sex-act where the lady won't hurry you up and finish quickly with you. And the same goes for two-cumshots. The lady can get you off quickly alright for your first cumshot. But then your balls are empty, and it's going to take some time for you to work up your second cumshot with her. You are going to be hard, you are going to be fast, and you are going to last with her for some time.

But I'd say that 'filtering' might not be a good way to do it. This should be more like bargaining, than filtering. Because ladies can often be persuaded to do what you want. Even ladies who do A+ now, probably didn't do A+ when they first started out. They changed their minds at some point in time and started doing A+ with guys. And the same thing goes for two-cumshots.

[Goatscrot]

To chime in on the anal sex discussion, in the oilies, asking for anal is useful as a filter.

Girls accepting anal sex are likely to provide a better overall experience, or at least be more compliant than those who don't. If they take A+, they sure won't refuse a decent BBBJ (deep and long, more than a token lick), won't make a fuss about DFK, DATY a bit of fingering and all the vanilla activities.

I'm not all that much into anal (though change of sensation can be pleasant sometimes), but ask for A+ girls at oilies specifically to weed out the weak performers. It works.

Asking about most other sexual activities is useless. For instance, if promised BBBJ or even a deep BJ, she can deliver a token 20-sec lick with poor attitude and call it quits (she technically delivered). With A+, there's not much leeway, she accepts to be screwed up the ass at the customer's discretion.

Back in the old days, when sessions were cheaper and most girls would have a friendly attitude and perform the vanilla activities reasonably well, there was less need for such filters.

Other useful filters (mostly for freelancers / bargirls) are asking for a two-shot ST session and going a bit further, not to the nearest ST hotel. If they're unhappy about this, you know for sure they'll do the minimum required and be anxious to get back in the quickest time possible. In my view, they can try to negotiate the rate up if they want (though I'm fair with the first offer, so it's still a bad sign), but if they ever try to negotiate down these requirements, it's an instant rejection.

Could not agree more. Making sure they are A+ is a great filter at the oilies. And your FL filters are ones that I have used as well. Works quite well to weed out the chaff.

Yep, when sessions were 500-1 k (12.50 - 25 USD) at the time with FLs I really did not care about filtering out that much. For that money almost any offs a good off. But now when I am paying close to 3 times that in an oily, I want to make sure I am going to get a good performance.

[IllusionHeart]

Ended up choosing an M class girl, M7, for 5800. I should have tried to make a note of more of the pricing, but M was 5800. Time is 75 minutes I think? Definitely more than an hour. Are was listed at either 4500 or 4800. I am pretty sure I only paid 4100 in November as I backed the math out against my credit card charge so this still seems suspect to me. .

Thanks for the FR Michael. I had visited Lords in November and the prices have indeed increased. I remember paying 5400 baht but it was for an "O" category girl. All category of girls prices were ending at 400 starting from M till XL. It seems that not only have they increased the prices to end at 800 across categories but have also changed the category alphabets. M was the beginning range at 3400 during my visit. I had a lady Mamasan to assist me during the entire process and the line up was thin comprising of 10 to 12 girls around 8 pm.

The time I got with the girl was 90 minutes per session and now seems to have also been reduced to approx 75 minutes as per your experience. The supposed changes don't seem to have done for the better, never have been in the mongering world.

[NopoProwler]

Do you have any explanation? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me why it should be so. More likely their pussy was tight enough to satisfy partners, and therefore the men requested it more.

I quite like fucking not so tight pussies. Girls with babies are fine for me. An ass grips only at the sphincter. A pussy can have better grip along entire length of the shaft.

I am not a doctor, so I don't have a scientific answer to this. I say this from experience only. I wasn't talking about girls being more willing to have anal to please their partner but anal for their own pleasure.

Maybe it's because they have gone through the "pain" of childbirth so they are more willing to try the "pain" of anal, or maybe because after having a baby their vaginas have become less sensitive. I also know a case or two of women who couldn't orgasm from vaginal sex until they gave birth.

One girl at Addict told me specifically that after having her kid, she prefers anal.

Nopo

[Crocodilexp]

To chime in on the anal sex discussion, in the oilies, asking for anal is useful as a filter.

Girls accepting anal sex are likely to provide a better overall experience, or at least be more compliant than those who don't. If they take A+, they sure won't refuse a decent BBBJ (deep and long, more than a token lick), won't make a fuss about DFK, DATY a bit of fingering and all the vanilla activities.

I'm not all that much into anal (though change of sensation can be pleasant sometimes), but ask for A+ girls at oilies specifically to weed out the weak performers. It works.

Asking about most other sexual activities is useless. For instance, if promised BBBJ or even a deep BJ, she can deliver a token 20-sec lick with poor attitude and call it quits (she technically delivered). With A+, there's not much leeway, she accepts to be screwed up the ass at the customer's discretion.

Back in the old days, when sessions were cheaper and most girls would have a friendly attitude and perform the vanilla activities reasonably well, there was less need for such filters.

Other useful filters (mostly for freelancers / bargirls) are asking for a two-shot ST session and going a bit further, not to the nearest ST hotel. If they're unhappy about this, you know for sure they'll do the minimum required and be anxious to get back in the quickest time possible. In my view, they can try to negotiate the rate up if they want (though I'm fair with the first offer, so it's still a bad sign), but if they ever try to negotiate down these requirements, it's an instant rejection.

[Charlie8888]

Needed a good massage recently on a Sunday and decided for EZ2 having had a look at their website.

Turned out only 3 girls available mid afternoon.

Choose Ying from booklet. Damage thb 2200.

She was not very enthusiastic although nice girl.

Would not repeat.

[Ixgzca]

But, according to your earlier conjecture, since men / punters have been exposed to those activites in porn for quite some time now, they ought to be wildly popular or at the very least as frequently mentioned and sought out on boards like these as anal sex is. However, they are not. I don't think I have read even one post asking where to find such activities. Which again argues against your exposure to porn first, interest and experimentation afterwards theory.

Shhh...don't go around making too much sense! People don't like that...lol.
I should probably go around mass murdering people since I watch so many action movies. The movies are obviously forcing me to seek out such things(sarcasm). Such drivel...