FKK World - Giessen

[22acacia]

It's nice to have the forums back up again and working well. I hope this new server is able to handle all the PMs to/from Cordelia/Shiatsu, unlike last month when it crashed prior to her visit to FKKW! I've just returned from a holiday to sin city Vegas and am feeling a bit weary as well. Luckily, knowing what's available here kept me from wasting $$ on an unknown experience there in Vegas (strippers to your room, no obligation, etc.).

This talk about the decline of World has me thinking about some issues I noticed the last two times I was there. Perhaps it was the poor weather or the snow on the roads, but my visit on 20 February was a bit disappointing. My first session was with a girl from–you guessed it–Romania. Normally, I would not mind; I enjoyed my two-week holiday in Bucharesti last year. However, this girl was quite something else. Her name escapes me at the moment, but I was showing the facilities to my friend, whose first experience was quite good, when she intercepted me at the bottom of the stairs. She was quite pushy and repeated “no’s” would not drive her away (I was looking for Andrea). I finally relented and took the option for anal upgrade. I should have known better from her poor, pushy attitude. What I got was a non-intimate (no kissing), rushed (12 minutes), over-charged (150 vs. 100) session. I realized I did over pay, but in the end, I was unwilling to talk to the management and confront the Romanian mafia. That was the worst session at an FKK and not a good start to the day.

So, already, I feel sad and let down. Moreover, the girls and the clientele the night of the 20th had an odd feel to it. I finally met up with Andrea and she confirmed it to me as well. The girls were on edge, it was quite slow, and there were a group of loud, boisterous...Westerners shall we say, that neither Andrea nor I cared for. Thankfully, she restored my hope because we had a great hour-long session, and despite not finishing (it must have been the stress at this point), her great attitude and skills make me want to come back again.

Couple that with Cordelia’s visit the previous week, I still have a good time at World. Those of you who have not yet met Cordelia and Shiatsu, you will find some of the nicest people around. Cordelia seemed to be quite busy that night but she left a lasting impression. She truly has passion and enjoys herself and it definitely makes for an enjoyable time. The mirrors in the VIP rooms are nice and allows one to get a nice view of Cordelia going to town; truly talented Bjs. I hesitate to say more because I realize that Shiatsu will be reading this, but if you have a chance to meet Cordelia, she is quite the woman.

[Unirii]

Heading to World on March the 12th. Anyone want to meet up? PM me. What are the odds this will even get posted before the 12th?

[Optimist]

Cordelia writes. I am going back to FKKW from March 18th until March 27th(inclusive). Last time was fun but the fact that it was my first ever such experience told. So I'm going back to see what it's really like - and with any luck I'll have lots of sex. If any wsg members want to say hi (and I promise not to kidnap and abduct you to a room unless you ask!!) PM me.
Shiatsu will be joining me from 25th. On 28th and 29th we are going to Beverly.

[Novize]

Another visit at World yesterday. I arrived at 8 p.m. at a nearly empty parking place. Having stepped inside, I caounted 30-40 girls and perhaps 20 - 30 male guests. The girl-guy ratio should get more and more favourable during the evening. Men´s delight, but many girls had to suffer boredom during the night.

After chatting with some of the (german speaking) girls and completing my sightseeing lap through the club I was curious if my experience with Ramona last sunday had just been a "one-night-relationship" or if it could be expanded for another night. So I placed myself opposite to Ramona exchanging smiles and glances with her. Not even two minutes later she moved to my couch and sat down beside me. In contrast to last week she wasn´t very busy and had lots of time to concentrate on me. Soetimes I love these quiet sundays!

Her german language skils are nearl non existent, her english skills quit poor, but she´s absolutely great in non-verbal comunication. I soon went into a room with her to practice the internationally well-known "eleven-fingers-sign-language" which she understood very good and responded perfectly...

The first session went on as intimate as if there had never been a one-week-break since our last meeting.

After having finished this session, I tried to enjoy a meal, but the food was lousy that night. So I relaxed a little bit at the chmney downstairs before I moved upstairs again to have a look at the scenery. I recognized some fresh romanian faces, some of them worth a closer look, but Ramona joined me again, we kissed and cuddled each other and - hard to believe - managed to have something like a conversation. So I got to know, that she never learned english at school - she learned it by watching english TV. Therefore I found her english skills quiet impressing...

There were not many male customers (even Andrea/Cz had times when she just sat on a couch for long) - and as it seemed not a single one Ramona wanted to join - so we spent hours on the couch talking, kissing and cuddling (I had told her very soon that I wasn´t in the mood for another session yet, but she didn´t move away), watching the "Further-Education-Movies" on the big flatscreen-TVs (not much we didn´t already know) and looking at Stefanie´s Table-Dance-course for beginners and World-Newbies. I learned about Ramona´s plans for the near future - I think I have to go over her stats from time to time in the near future( new hairdo, new hair-colour, diet), taht I had backdated her a little bit (she´s 26, not 24 as I had guessed last week) - and that talking with her can be as wonderful as getting physical.

Endurance pays, and in the end I went for a second session with her. Frightening, when paid sex with a single girl gets better every time - I´m not married yet, but nearly engaged...

After a small snack we went to the sauna together and ended our night together this way.

At the end, Ramona´s revised stats:

name: Ramona
origin: Romania
born: 1978
hair: black, long (curly in a couple of days)
figure: slender, female, B-breast
height: 185 cm with shoes, 165 cm without
tattooes/piercings: none
other: highly recommended for great GFE

Queen of Hearts - part three is scheduled for next sunday.

Novize #6969

[Novize]

(btw - Cordelia takes your point and is struggling hard to learn a little German for her next holiday)

She already did last time - and this was gladly appreciated by the World-staff and her german-speaking colleagues, as I could hear yesterday.

Novize - # 5 23 42 69...

[Optimist]

Ortos and Novize - I agree with everything you say in your last posts!!. If only countries' leaders could tak ean example from this forum on how to discuss differing views and come to agreement....

And Novize - losing your identity is an awful fate!- raises all sorts of metaphysical issues (but that's not an FKK discussion....) Anyway I'm sure 2974 will become as well known as Novize - pending your re-incarnation as ? (btw - Cordelia takes your point and is struggling hard to learn a little German for her next holiday)

Shiatsu

[Novize]

First of all:

What's with this Member#2974 stuff? What happened to your name, Novize?

I lost my name during the Senior Membership Upgrade procedure. I tried to find out, why "Novize" doesn´t meet the Username guidelines, without success. Perhaps, "Novize" just isn´t appropriate for a senior member. "Monk" is too short, so maybe I´ll have to come back as "Monkey".
I already wrote an email to Jackson and hope to have my name back soon. I don´t want to be just a number...

Back to World:

this is a very nice discussion going on here. And I´m happy that we don´t try to write FKKW to death. The club has it´s advantages and disadvantages, but I still like it there - otherwise I wouldn´t be there nearly every sunday.

I just wanted to point out what could happen, if one or two new good clubs open in the Rhein-Main area.

There are outstanding providers at World - and there are girls with great communication skills. But (as a german visitor) for me in average it is lower than at Palace, Flamingo Island, FKK-Haus and, and...

Just imagine these girls worked in the US or UK without even trying to learn american/english - I think that´s a strange attitude...

Novize - not 2974, but 9462

[Ortos]

Shiatsu,

One cannot disagree with what you say. I have sometimes engaged in "double-dipping" and visited two clubs in one day. And given the fact that you can re-enter without repaying, basically coming and going as you wish, over a 16-hour period, one can have a lot of fun and erotic experience, if you can afford to pay 120E in entrance fees for one day.

And it is definitely wrong to use the term "decline" with World right now. It is just a different vibe and atmosphere than the other clubs.

True one can list several nationalities at World, not just Romanian or Bulgarian. The point is: How many Latvians are there? How many from Hungary, Poland, Czech? How many Russians, etc....in proportion to the Romanian contingent? It is just so dominated. Whilst the Romanians perhaps figure 40+% at World, the Bulgarians over 20%, girls from other countries might only figure in the single digits? There may only be one girl from Latvia, one from Moldavia, only a couple from Russia, maybe three from Poland, etc. Anyway, I have not done a statistical analysis...It just ain't like it used to be, that is the point.

But ideed one might find more of the type of girl you are looking for at a given club. World, for example, may well be the best to find the newly-arrived girl, untainted and pure love and GFE-type girl, as opposed to the hardened professionals that may populate, say, Oase, in greater numbers. That doesn't mean you won't find either type at either club, it just means one club has more than the other. We are looking at trends here.

Anyway, I love all the clubs, and would not reject or elevate one club above the others. That is why when I go to Frankfurt for several days, I initially visit all the clubs back-to-back during my first two/three days. Have a look round at the girls there and then decide which club(s) to devote most of my time. I will test that in a short time from now and report accordingly...

Ortos

[Optimist]

At FKKW there are Cuban, Spanish, Czech, Jamaican, Latvian, German, Polish, Hungarian, and Bulgarian. This is the sort of mix there has always been - the only difference is that there are more Rumanians than a year ago. My guess would be that about 40% are from Rumania. But a Rumanian brothel it is absolutely definitely not - it is an FKK. As I tried to indicate in my previous post I don't think this indicates a decline. It all depends onwhat you like - the only way to find out is to checkthe clubs out oneself (as I did extensively with three visits to Oase and four to FKKW over five days - I found each club had positives which the other club did not have - the perfect day was to go to both!!!).

Seems to me that the fact here is this discussion about which clubs are best indicates there is a good variety of choice between clubs

Shiatsu

[Carnal1]

I am dissappointed to hear that World is turning into a Romanian Sex Brothel. Last visit in January was very mild compared to my previous visits in March, October, and November. The mild weather in October was awesome. I like hanging outside,, basking in the warm weather, watching the guys and girls hold hands while they walked around the grounds. Being able to walk outside for a "smoke" was a nice change late in the evening.

I can only imagine that as one Niche fails,, another one blossoms. I do enjoy the facilites of Palace,even Oase (except for the odor and smoke) and hope that World keeps its previous levels up to par.

I am forced to go study these issues abroad,, need some ethnic diversity so I am off to Central America (Costa Rica) this week and then going to Thailand
for two weeks in Mid March. Will have to compare the 3hr (threeway) Soapy Massages to the FKK environment.. Ah,, what choices.

I am hoping to return to Frankfurt in April thanks to some really discounted airfares on Northwest,, only $480 (Total) Roundtrip from Phoenix direct to FRA. One bad thing about the European Sex venues,, cheap to get there but expensive once you get in. In Thailand,, expensive to get there ($800 RT) but very cheap once your there ( 500 Baht/$10 bar fine and about 1000-1500 Baht/$30 for the entire evening) PER GIRL :-) AND 5 Star Hotels for less than what I pay to stay in Giessen or even the Monopol.

Hope to see some of you then, Will be posting my rantings from Costa Rica Bangkok, Pattaya, and Phuket on Ignatz under my 420 Handle,, Ok per the moderator ..LOL

Regards,, asta la vista,,, doog,, laew phob gan mai, gutten tag,

Carnal1

[Optimist]

Beffen1 - I'm glad you found Anka after I reported on her being a bit down in the dumps. She gave me a nice time (as I previously reported), and in the light of recent posts, is very much the sort of person who you are most likely to find at FKKW compared to elsewhere - a new, inexperienced sex worker. Happy to sit and talk and kiss and have enthusiastic sex. Shiatsu

[Beffen1]

gentlemen,

i wouldn't classify the current conditions at world as a decline, just a seasonal lull. with the messe season and inclement weather and icy roads, palace definately now enjoys an advantage with more girls and punters staying in the city close to the messe and not straying into the countryside. even with the seasonal advantage of palace and to a lesser extent oase, still, the lineup at world never ceases to titillate me more than that at palace. i like the turnover factor at world. i like [CodeWord901] types and world never disappoints in that regard.

on friday february 18, i found little to stir my loins at palace, despite the presence of some 50 or 60 girls. were it not for a one hour session with marina, it would have been a totally boring night. i did not visit oase this trip because i really do not like the smoky crowded atmosphere and did not want to be trapped indoors with the rowdy crowd and relatively poor service at oase, but i shall definately go back there in the summer.

as for hard sell, quickie in-out inferior service, i have encounterred more of that at oase and palace than at world. the aggresiveness factor has always been more bothersome for me at palace and oaser than at world. couch action is more comfortable at world too, it depends on the night, i have had great threesome couch action at world in the main room, and great one on one downstairs. the girls at palace tend to cut it short in favor of the room. at world, i tend to develop more relaxed affable relationships with girls.

the physical facilities at world, the hospitality and service, the cleanliness, constantly replenished food, and all the varied spaces are what does it for me. and in summer, with the pool and gardens i can relax all day from 11 am until closing at world. it's like a home away from home. world will rock this spring and summer, and the girl selection will get even better.

as for diversity, yes there are many romanians there, but they are adorable and often offer gfe. i love romanians. and i have met plenty of representatives from belarus, moldavia, russia, poland, hungary, czech republic, slovakia, jamaica, africa, cuba, brazil, and germany at world. if i want more latinas, i'll go to costa rica, its much closer to home and warmer.

when i think of fkk, i think of the men's day camp that is fkk world. i can't wait for summer.

[Beffen1]

i was back in frankfurt for my 52nd birthday weekend celebration. after a flawless delta flight, the fine gentleman at the monopol had an upgraded deluxe double room for 65 euro ready for me at 9am try that in amsterdam, he even remembered my name thanks to the introduction of ortos. i lay around until 3 pm or so, needing to catch up on my sleep and at 4 30 took the train to giessen. unfortunately there was a suicide on the tracks north of bad homburg and we were delayed 45 minutes and had to cram onto a combined train but i made it by 7 30.

world was surprizingly quiet this thursday (feb 17) night, many of the reguars i had come to know and love we absent, my romanian darlings andrea and luana were gone. in no hurry to begin, i sat on a couch and surveyed the room. soon a tall brunette joined me, she had a face very similar to my recently departed wife andrea from romania and was a great kisser on the couch so i took her to the vip room for a half hour beginning romp. excellent deep throat and more fabulous snogging but i did not feel the [CodeWord901] chemistry i crave. still, dahlia from romania was a very nice appetizer, though not mind blowing. she is at world less than one week.

i returned to the main room, still no sign of desert fox, and as i was minding my own business, watching the horseplay of cindy the czech librarian and the slowly increasing customer base and mating ritual activity, a tall tan willowy blonde with the longest back tatoo i have ever seen sat on my lap and introduced herself. i am jaqueline she said. remembering freds intel, i asked where are you from. poland was the reply and her touchy feely couch action just about sealed the deal. after about five minutes of couch kissing and small talk, we went to the same vip room for an hour of great sex.

back in the great room, fox had arrived and we sat for a while before he took his new bulgarian wife away for yet another honeymoon. i had been admiring an adorable petite yet busty barbie doll blonde who looked about 17 years old. i motioned her to sit on the couch next to me to find her name was julia aged 21 from romania and formerly employed at golden time and phg. she had natural c cups, curly blonde hair and a body to die for. her couch kissing was more of the teasing variety, very similar to that of marlene of phg, gt, and now samya in koln. we snagged the best vip room, the one with three walls of mirrors, just right for this delightful eye candy. despite her lack of english skills, i enjoyed a fine 30 minute session, putting her through her paces in a romp that was more than an optik fick but less than a gfe.

by now, around 1 am, i was feeling tired so both fox and i retired to the relax zone to nod off. i could not though and went back upstairs. i sat on a couch where i could watch the comings and goings and spied my first girl dalhlia sitting with two of her mates. one was a delighful tall [CodeWord901] named anka, with that pouty high school girl face many of us love, she was tall, dark red died hair slim and gorgeous with puffy small b cups and a perfect slim body. i motioned her over to sit with me and soon she was kissing me in the manner to which i have become addicted. as we searched for a vip room, all the doors were closed and other couples were searching as well, they passed all the closed doors but i know to look for a chair propped against the translucent doors, one couple passed thinking it was occupied and i checked anyway and voila the pepto room was free indeed so we giggled and grabbed it.

anka gave me a true gfe for one hour, we hit it off smashingly. i reluctantly bid her farewell after an hour, with endless goodbye kisses in the locker room. so now its 2 am and i basically lazed away in the relax zone and had a sauna or two. then , at 4am, as fox and i watched soccer in the relax zone, anka came down trolling. i went after her and she kissed me passionately bade me to join her on the couch by the water cooler to chill. and for the next hour, we made out like high school kids and i massaged her and we talked about life. then it was 5 am and time to go. anka is at world just 6 days and is recommended if you like a dkk/ gfe.

beffen1

[Ortos]

First of all: What's with this Member#2974 stuff? What happened to your name, Novize? Did you change it? or did it happen automatically? Funny, during the problematic weeks for this forum, I recently logged on and in the upper right-hand corner, where it normally says: "Welcome, Ortos. You last visited: etc..." It said: Welcome, Novize. Private Messages: 1 Unread, blah, blah.." It actually thought I was you...and nosey person that I am, I tried unsuccessfully to open your PM, but then the site crashed on me...Justice, I suppose. But that was the last I saw of your name: Novize. So what happened?

Well, you are definitely not a Novice FKKer, that is clear from the many good points and observations you (and Shiatsu) just made about World and its apparent decline...

I don't know if it is right to classify this as a true decline...It is just evolving into what it is. All clubs, like persons, have a personality, or general atmosphere or "vibe." But unlike many people, the club personality can change from one month to the next, or one week to the next, even from day to day. I've always thought the ebb and flow of FKK clubs, like the oceanic tides, is an under-studied science.

Visiting World over the past --jeeez, it's not even two years yet, innit?-- 16/18 months, I am trying to remember at what point exactly World became so dominated by Romanian providers (with the beloved Bulgarians taking second place). I remember vividly that about a year or so ago, there were certainly several Romanians and Bulgarians, but not the utter saturation that we now see. At that time there were far more Czech, Russian, Ukranian, Lithuanian, Hungarian, etc. girls at World in proportion to the overall assemblage than now. Am I wrong? I must admit that I do find the ethnic diversity at Oase and Palace to be a positive factor when I compare it to World.

I had not noticed the language element that you point out at World, until recently. This may have something to do with the country of origin, Romania, of most of the girls, but also the fact that at certain times of the year, World does receive some kind of influx of new girls, who are generally new to the FKK scene and thus have not logged enough working/living hours/days in Deutschland to become in anyway proficient in German. I would imagine that working in an FKK club would take the concept of "intensiv spracht kurs" to new heights...perhaps, we should ask Cordelia? But I think that at any of the 3 big clubs one can find girls less comfortable with German and English is often the default foreign language...

The location of World works both ways. On the one hand, it will be an impediment to some, who lack the means or mind-set to travel 30-40 minutes outside of Frankfurt. Palace and even Oase are far closer, thus more convenient. However, some will like the fact that it is "in the sticks." They might like the physical setting more and the fact that they may be less likely to run into people they know from "the real world." Some girls from Frankfurt/Wiesbaden areas may also prefer to work at World, rather than too close to their home base.

At the end of the day though, as Shiatsu says, each club has its +s and -s...I may lean towards one club now, another one later, but over the long haul I will be drawn to all of them, because they each have a different vibe and are each changing from week to week...

Does anybody else have some comments to make? Beffen, or anyone else just back from visiting World?

Ortos

[Optimist]

Just my viewpoint to muddy the waters. Comparison is always hard and is often a matter of viewpoints. I do not think I would say FKKW is in decline.

My experience on the issues. I was there the same night as 2974 and Iseeu and yes it was rather quiet. However I had been to Oase earlier the same day and that was even quieter (comparing the time I left Oase to the time I arrived at FKKW).

Tha language skills at FKKW are more of an issue for German speakers than for English speakers - so far as I could see the number of English speakers as a percentage is about the same between both clubs (I made several visits to both clubs). For example Rumanians often speak better English than German

As for atmosphere - as I have said previously that there is little couch action upstairs at FKKW - it takes place in the large downstairs lounge. With one girl at FKKW I went with, there was a long period on the couch downstairs - it just needed me to show what I wanted to do. At Oase there is only couch action really if you are already committed to a session (which is fine)

Atmosphere and chatting. There is less chatting than there used to be at FKKW - but it had always been exceptional for the amount of chat (even more than Atlantis) Some girls are interested in a basic service level approach (especially those who do not speak German), but even this is a simplification - there are so may exceptions - I remember 2974 you entertained a girl in the downstairs bar for ages, keeping me in laughter for over half an hour, (and of course Ramona you report on recently).

When I went back on Wednesday the atmosphere was very cheerful - there were girls playing in the pool with men (for a long time so obviously not part of a session) and other girls being carried piggyback around by some other men - there was a general very fun atmosphere, girls were happy to talk to me in passing. Which only shows that things vary night to night.

At Oase (which I visited three times over the week) I did get more chat - but also a lot more in your face marketing - it may have been a bit more subtle than FKW but it was also more intrusive. Once again it's a question of preference

One point I have mentioned previously is shortchanging on sessions (time wise) this seems to be possibly a bit more common at FKKW (but on the other hand I may think that only because it is easier to keep an eye on the timekeeping at FKKW than at Oase)- but I saw it happening at Oase also. The key advice is always to watch and time girls going to rooms and generally not to go with anyone who finishes a session in 10 minutes.

If any conclusions come from this it is that we consumers can decide what we want - couch action/chat/ etc and whichever club we go to we can go for that and not just hope the girls will read our mind. We need to tell a girl we want chat or couch action - if we didn't say then how are they going to know it's important? I went to both clubs several times and found they both had their own weaknesses and strengths.

FKKW has a less heterogenous ethnic mix and this may be a disadvantage for some consumers (but may be good for consumers who like the predominant style of FKKW girls). With this group homogeneity there is the danger of a particular service culture emerging - which could include more of a RLD attitude, or shyness from fresh girls who are basically amateurs (but again some consumers really like this ...)

The biggest problem for FKKW is as 2974 says - its location.

I don't think we can talk about a decline (soemone recently posted asking about FKKW and its decline). Things change. I remember in its early days that everybody was saying FKKW was no good - and then I went there and loved it - even over Atlantis - and then the posts started saying how good FKKW was. I don't think it's ever been very different to how it is now - some things are changing but in essence FKKW is similar to how it's always been. Maybe the change is in the postings by us!!

How we enjoy each club depends on our personal preferences - all we cando in reports is record experiences. Making overall judgenments about clubs is hard unless we can record specifics

Shiatsu