FKK World - Giessen

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Ortos

Thanks very much. Again a short message since we're worried the site will crash so forgive a rushed reply

Closing the deal - basically a successful girl told me thateverything depends on attitude. Ugly women can get customers provided they make the men feel special. The important thing is to make the man think he is important to the girl and is clever and lovely. Obviously this is an illusion which is being sold - but nonetheless the girls will always prefer a man who is genuinely pleasant and considerate. The second element was to get in touch with the men physically - "get out there and grab them". From this you'll see that many girls don't have the mental concentration keep going all day. Women need to sell their package.

I was surprised that charm and chat aren't really important in making first contact for most men. Most men wanted the wrappings and not any personal contact. However there were exceptions - and these were also oddly enough the men who were most interested in real sex

I was amazed how rude a few of the men were - this explains perhaps why some women don!t approach men - it is bad to talk to a man only to be told "you are only talking to me because you want my money - other girls really care and love me" - (Shiatsu says a man like that must be an absolute fool and thick)

However, bear in mind this is my experience and that some girls are as cold as ice whatever their smile may claim and that really only care about the money. So it's always a difficult call on both sides - one can never tell whether a man or a working woman are going to be ice cold until it's too late. And of course it will vary also according to the ethos of the club

I gave up after four days - I didn't have the mental discipline and confidence to approach men for 12 hours plus a day. I hadn't realised how tough it could be (especially as it was my holiday!!)

Cordelia

[Ortos]

Cordelia,

I found myself engrossed when I read your series of short posts below. In fact, having read (and indeed scribed) dozens of reports, I don't think I have ever read one with your unique perspective. I wish you could write more and more. Too bad you don't have the opportunity to do more such "research" and publish a book.

It was most interesting to read a bit about the girls' reaction to you (generally supportive and positive) and to read your take on the men: The Good, the Bad and the Smelly! These and other points you make are invaluable.

The one thing I would specifically ask you to expand on is your mention of certain girls giving you tips on "closing the deal." I am really interested to hear what advice you were given. However, I also respect that maybe you wish these and/or other details not to be published in the public domain. But if there are no restrictions, please do expand on this when you have time.

Also, I am a naturally sensitive and caring person...comes with being a Cancer, I guess? Anyway, it was most gratifying to read that, from your perspective, at least, such qualities in a man/client are appreciated by the girls. Although, in some of my past experiences I really do wonder if that is the case, I mean there are some really cold fish out there. But this all has a lot to do with individual chemistry perhaps, so an experienced FKKer should be able to decipher whether a potential session partner (a girl) would be receptive to softness in a man and sensitivity...

Thanks again for some truly fascinating reading,

Ortos

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Shiatsu says.

World was incredibly quiet and the girls were very bored. They were very nice and helpful and the staff were extremely welcoming. A nice atmosphere

As always it is a good place to relax. There does not seem to be any enthusiasm for couch action and the prevailing ehtos seems to be that halfhour is up the second the man comes - even if it is only after five minutes.

I went with Magda,(Rumanian). I had always thought of her as inapproachable but I met her downstairs after Novize had worked his flirting charms on her and I found she was articulate, opinionated, and entertaining. We agreed to have sex in the washing machine (ok Magda is a bit off the wall) but went to a room instead where we talked for 20 minutes about his and that and then decided that we had better have sex. She wiggled very effectively and I ended a nice session (what I didn`t know was that Cordelia was in the next room and heard the whole session!!!!) I liked Magda. She has a very lovely body, is friendly, is very flexible and does her job conscientiously. She gave me the whole halfhour.

I went with Julia (also Rumanian) not the tall one but the shorter very blonde on with tits which bounce as she walks across the room. She was very friendly, she like being licked (pronouncing that I was a good licker!!) and fucked with some interest. However after I came she got up and started to leave - 20 minutes so I consider this to be shortchange. I notice this is very common So I would not go back with her even tho she is very nice and I had a good session)

I feel that some girls are in danger of losing some of the key features of a FKK - the guarantee of a halfhour and the willingness for five minutes chat on a couch first or after. However many girls are willing to talk and commit to a bit more so i don`want to give the impression that there is a big problem. Just be aware that some girls give more than others and that to some extent you can tell by watching.

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I enjoyed much of my time at World. Good friends from girls, admiration from girls, some good sex. All the staff were very kind. The atmosphere was really nice for me. And all I did was walk up and start work. I' m doing short reports in case the forum crashes in the middle of one.

I found out it is hard work to be selling all day. The sex is easy but the mental demand of selling was a different matter. In addition my feet hurt and many girls have bad backs from too much sex by men pulling them about (not nastily but sex is an energetic activity). It's hard work mentally and physically. The girls who do best are those who hae apositive target (a shop a businesse etc).

I found it beginning to get addictive even after only four days. This reflects the level of commitment necessary for the selling. I didn't have a lot of confidence in my package as I was much older than the norm. But I got a lot of good feedback from the men who went with me and from the girls. However I did not have enough of a commitment to make the tedium of waiting for the few men to turn up worthwhile (World suffers from its location in winter)

I enjoyed meeting the mongers. Sunday was an especially lovely day with four there at once

[Optimist]

Cordelia says - it became obvious to me that what is sold is not sex but a presentation package. The girls spend a fortune on makeup and spend hours making up their package of appearances. The sex is irrelevant for most of them. And very few of them are really any good at sex (says Shiatsu). The 50E buys a picture and fantasy.

I had trouble working out how to sell - my ability is in the sex- On he Saturday it baffled me completely, by Sunday I understood the selling to a degree - basically it is to look at the man from a foot away and imediately make him think that every breath he takes is a wonder of nature, making google eyes and stroking. I was never very good at that.

However when i sold my package and the men came to unwrap it things went very well. generally the sex was good and some german FKK regulars said I was the best sex they had ever had. this is the other way of selling - building up a reputation but of course I did not have time to do that

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Cordelia says

About 25% of men seemed to be lovely, and about the same were nasty. The rest seem ok.

I'll talk about the bad. What this means is they are rude and rough and treat the girls like pieces of meat to be thrown around in a room or a corridor. They can also be smelly and i mean seriously smelly. This is almost the only reason that girls will turn down a man (unless he is a complete violent nutter). As mentioned in the foum before some men will interprete this as racism but it's not - if you stink don't expect to be fucked or at least not to have oral without a condom

One man pushed a girl so hard in the corridor I had to pick her up

I only had one bad experience. The man demanded that I NOT use a condom and that I should let him come in my mouth for nothing. When I refused he was very badtempered and rough. basically he was a shit but I got his 50 Euros. He was stupid - he had a bad time when he could have had a good time

The good. The girls appreciate a man who is a bit sensitive and pleasant (obviously this is a generalisation) Apart from my one bad man everybody was very nice in the room to me. And a few were very very good at sex - (you mongers know who you are!!) so it made the day worth while

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Cordelia says, thé first things I get asked are, Do the girls talk about the men and are they bitchy?

The answer is NO. The girls were all incredibly supportive and freindly with each other. There is competition but no jealousy or rivalry. No doubt there is friction from time to time and arguments but this was not the norm. The large Rumanian contingent tend to remain a bit together but I was made to feel very welcome. One of the busiest girls gave me tips on how to close a deal, otheres said nice things like "I hope I am like you when i am older" and there was much talk about my piercings etc. The comradeship was very positive.

The girls tend not to talk about the men. What happens in the rooms tends to stay there. The girls feel that if there is a bad session it reflects on them. There is not taking the [CodeWord140] out of men (apart from on on eoccasion when monkey noises were made behind a man's back because he had been horrible in public to a girl) (btw - he was white and German) However if he had turned round the girl would have been all smiles and giggles

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From Cordelia - I'll do very short messages in case the forum crashes while i'm in the middle- Forgive if the style is rushed but am in internet cafe

After four days I realised the main feature of a girl's day was waiting. On my first day there were only 20 men in 10 hours. It was after Karneval and was about the quietest day ever. I got one man which as there were over 40 girls was quite good. Do the arithmetic.

Next day was Saturday and was a lot busier after about 16.00 - but that meant about 6 hours waiting before many men turned up. I lost my concentration and didn't do so well

Sunday was no busier but I had a good day - working from 14.00 until 24.00, pleased to be just about the busiest woman that day.

Monday was as quiet as the Friday. I had a nasty man which again I let throw my concentration

On the quiet days being in the one room for hours with almost no men coming in affects all the girls - we all watched the clock creep round., listening the Schnappi song (!) and the fourth loop of the same porn film .....

I admire the girls for being able to stick it --- all come back to their task in hand

[Valmont]

Went to World on Friday, the 11th. I got there around 12:30 (not realizing that it would take me over 2 1/2 hours in my car, thanks to it being what we call in the states a POS) and took in the sites. A friendly girl named Betty (Cuban, petite) showed me around and I settled in. I met Shiatsu and Cordelia, who were just as nice as they appear to be on the board.

My first session was with a short blonde girl with a nice body (D cup at least) who wore glasses named Janet. She said she was from Germany. Before we went to the session, she was incredibly nice, very personable despite her limited English. But then we got into the room, and it turned into one of the most mechanical sessions I've ever had. Her obvious request for a tip was almost laughable. It's a shame such a nice girl has such poor service.

Then I sat around and waited for the meal and the night crew. Shiatsu informed me of the bad news that Andrea wouldn't be there that night, so I still have no idea who she is. Finally, after eating a nice meal of noodles with meat and red sauce, I sat down on one of the black couches in the main room to rest and relax. Within 20 minutes, 5 girls approached me asking if I wanted a session. It got a little frustrating so when number 6 came by, Georgia from Romania, I was a little rude. She called me on it in perfect English, then proceeded to have one of the nicest conversations with me I've had in a long time. I had a long, extended, passionate session with her that ranks her as one of my favorite girls I've met in an FKK. She is outstanding. She is medium height, short brown hair that she was wearing up in tiny ponytail, with natural B cups. No tats. Give her a look, guys.

My first trip to World was good and the only real complaints I had was that, in contrast to Palace, the lighting is horrible. It's almost too dark to distinguish one girl from another. And, I know this is small, but the stools at the bar, where I like to sit, were terribly uncomfortable. At Palace, the stools are sturdy and have backs so you can lean and rest. At World, it's an effort to just sit there. It's as if they use those to encourage you to sit on the couches and get approached. But as I said, these are small, trivial things that do not take away from the allure of the place, it's outstanding facilities, and the beautiful women.

[Novize]

How would one recognize the lovely Cordelia?

She´ll be the one great woman men are standing for in line while the known TopActs at FKKW will hang around at the bar without any work.

[Novize]

How would one recognize the lovely Cordelia?

She´ll be the one great woman men are standing for in line while the known TopActs at FKKW will hang around at the bar without any work.

[Erogenous]

I picture Shiatsu standing next to Cordelia at the lockers where the men pay. Some guy hands Cordelia 50€ and she passes it on to Shiatsu to go have fun!

Peter

Might as well pay directly to Shiatsu! (Boy, wouldn't that be an awkward moment! :/

Looking forward to perhaps hearing about Cordelia's experiences working at World, that would be interesting to hear about a typical day at World from a ladies perspective, how they feel, how they are treated, what they like from us men etc.

[Euro Wanderer]

How would one recognize the lovely Cordelia?

[Toscana]

Of course now we know why WSG has been such a nightmare the past week or so. It's all the WSG-members blocking the server with PMs to Shiatsu trying to get marked onto Cordelia's card.

[Optimist]

Cheeky!!! We enjoyed meeting you at Beverly. Hope to meet you again sometime. Cordelia will be looking after herself - having fun- my role is to try to avoid spending my own hard-earned money. I think Cordelia will be too busy to entertain me!! Should be an interesting holiday...
Shiatsu