FKK World - Giessen

[Beffen1]

i started writing this waiting for the delta check in to open at 7 am here in frankfurt this morning, i thought i would write a short preliminary account of the gobble gobble fest 2005.

this week entailed five days, three visits to oase wed, thursday and saturday and world on friday and sunday. meeting up with many old friends from three different boards, both planned meetings and surprises made for a very collegial week. comparing notes and hanging with the guys surrounded by naked babes can't be beat.

fred and i started wednesday investigations on the s bahn to oase, and then we were joined by the ringleader and instigator ortos, professor of couchology on thursday again at oase. thursday also saw a fun surprise with travelling male and desert fox- a local. friday, ortos drove fred and i to world. the illustrious carnal and desert fox joined us arriving from points east and south and we had a grand reunion. ortos likes to keep moving and explore and compare clubs depending on the vibe. i prefer to settle in to a club for the day so on friday, when fred and ortos left world around 9 pm or so to return to oase, i remained. saturday, ortos and i met shagmaster at a frankfurt pub, in for a day trip from the isles, for a trip to oase. sunday, my last nuight and the first that i felt 100% physically, it was back to world, with ortos and i picking up mr plug at his hotel for the big ignatz wsg friends get together with carnal, desert fox. i was glad to meet for the first time this night novize and his friends as well as 22acacia.

i have to say that despite bigger lineups and variety and greater numbers of girls at oase, i still much prefer the fkk world experience. oase is just oppressively hot and smokey except at the pool area. unfortunately i had a case of travellers diarrhea this trip and the air at oase was making me physically ill. the sauna helped. the strobe lights during the dance performances will make you apopleptic. to me oase is was this week a crowded meat market while fkk world is a luxurious gentlemens club. no one moves a mop in the oase toilets and lockers all night and it is pretty rank. world is constantly cleaned all night. the rooms are better at oase though some are hot others have aircon. i usually tend to stick to the vip rooms in world. at oase, the bar staff was stressed and slow on saturday. sometimes no ice, no towels. all the girls seemed to dissappear into and remain in rooms by 11 pm on saturday. wednesday and thursday the ratios were more manageable but by 2 am it got hard to get a room with up to seven couples waiting on saturday. i witnessed many blow jobs as couples waited for rooms on the couches and alcoves near the upstairs showers. i did see more couch action at fkk world in two nights than at oase for three since oase was more crowded couch was subdued. i myself did a great couch threesome at world with two polish girls- more on that later.

the food at oase was good enough and served from 5 pm until around midnight- one night it was hamburgers, fries, and vegetable dumplings, another it was sweet and sour chinese chicken buffet with rice, slaw, veggies and spring rolls and another chicken cutlet and potatoes. the food at world i thought was incredible this week. it starts at noon with eggs cold cuts yogurt cereal brunch. dinner was varied, soup, 5 salads, breaded chicken bolognese, or great imho sloppy joe with brown sauce, spuds, noodles, etc. later say 1 am they brought out wursts and more potato salads and bean salad everything very fresh and wholesome if not quite gourmet. even until 3:45 am on sunday, 15 minutes to closing time at world they brought out crackers, grapes, cheese and cold cut platters. even had a pizza on friday night- that lasted about 5 minutes.

we pretty much confirmed that oase is nuts right now and world is quiet. imho its a damn shame. oase is packed with girls and sometimes too many customers, some girls said they were afraid of some of these guys. world was pretty quiet on friday and very quiet on sunday. i felt very sad for all the nice young girls i know and love at world- there were so few men to help them make money. the girls seem a little younger at fkk world. it was a bit depressing since i know most of the girls at world. i did enjoy my new experiences at oase- i'll get to that in the session reports soon but i really had a hard time chilling there to look at the girls. i do like the oase club however and will go there more when the weather is nice. i like the love chair scene at night.

a special thanks to ortos, travelling male and to desert fox for all the rides to the clubs-df you really rule for hanging with me till closing sunday night. i caught the 4:45 s bahn stopping at every whistle stop from grosse karben okarben ukarben, and karben karben. about 25 stops it was cool. i dig checking out the german commuters- heck i've become one of them.

next:

lets talk about girls.

beffen 1

[22acacia]

Well, I made it out to World Sunday afternoon and I had a pretty good time. Finding the club was made easier by using my new GPS (Garmin 2610). Honestly, I don't know how I ever got along without this thing before--it's quite awesome even with using the $300 maps instead of the recommended $500 maps.

Anyways, it was nice to run into some WSG members for the first time. I enjoyed meeting you guys and I hope we can do it again some time.

As far as the quality and quantity, I was extremely impressed. For a Sunday, there were quite a few hotties there, and I had the pleasure of spending time with a absolute bomb of a Polish girl. I tell you, we had a great conversation and she has body like a Lamborghini--you just need to take it for a drive! And then there was the Czech "librarian," another attractive, albeit skinny, lady. Not to be outdone by her country mate, I finished off the day with a brunette hottie from the Czech Republic. Maybe I'm getting old, but are some of these girls legal to be in the FKK?

The food was fine and the facilities quite decent. I'm having a hard time deciding if Oase or World are better. I agree with our vacationing friend from the States that the lack of smoke in World is quite welcome as is the beer. But I don't care for the stairs and all the hiding places in World as much--it makes it harder to find where the girls are hiding! And like I said before: even pulling the white ball for free entry at Palace, I didn't enjoy it as much and I don't think it can hold a candle to Oase or World.

Hopefully, the exchange rate will improve--this $1.33/euro sucks!--and we WSG members can have some more fun later!

Tschüss!

[Catalyst]

Well, I finally had some bad experiences at World. All of my other visits have been positive, so maybe I was due for some duds.

There were fewer people than I have ever seen before. This was on a Sunday. The food was the mediocre noodles with sauce that everyone has been complaining about and to make it worse they ran out of sauce. None of the great girls I had met on my previous excellent visit were there anymore. I saw zero couch action outside of the kino.

Elena from Germany - mediocre session

She was pretty but the session was not great. She kissed only a little and didn't want to do bbbj. When I asked for it she did it, but would only lick me on the side until I asked her to put it in her mouth, which she did so only reluctantly and only in 1 inch or so. It wasnät a disaster, but I didn't want to repeat.

Jennifer/Cindy from Cyech Republic - bad session

She is tall, thin, and beautiful. She has long light brown hair which she wore in a high ponytail, giving her a bit of a Jon Benet Ramsy look.

After the bad session I asked her what her name was and she said Jennifer, but later I thought I heard another girl call her Cindy, so she may have made up a name since she could tell that I wasn't happy. There is a Cindy from Cz who is popular, but I don't see how it could be her, and there is a Jennifer that Shiatsu advises avoiding. If this was Cindy then YM sure as hell MV.

Not only was there no kissing, but I couldn't even get close to her. She tuirned her head away and was constantly pushing against me during the session. Bj was covered. She didn't want to do the positions I wanted (missionary, spoon, nothing unusual - she wanted positions that would keep me as far as possible from her). The whole time she acted rushed and unhappy. Once the session was obviously going to be a disaster I deliberately took a long time and when I was done she angrily snatched her towel to show her unhappiness.

Andrea and Melissa/Larissa, both from Romania - bad session

Andrea is gorgeous. She has long soft straight blonde hair and a great chest. She is medium/small height. When the other girl told me her name I heard it as Melissa, but Novize says that there is a Larissa from Romania, so maybe that is her. She is tall with long light hair and a great rack and is not quite as nice as Andrea, but is still atractive.

When I saw Andrea I called her over and Melissa/Larissa (henceforth Melissa) soon showed up and the two of then started a hard sell for a 2-girl session. This is always a bad sign and I said no, but then they offered to throw in the lesbian show for free, so it would be 100 Euro total for 2 girls with a show.

Well, there was a show, but it was short and not at all passionate. The bjs were covered. A couple of quick kisses at the start and then no more kissing whatsoever. The answer to almost everything I asked for was no. After the first few minutes of the session there was no more 3-way action. I was told that I could do one girl and then the other. I was already doing Andrea and I thought Melissa was a b#### and didn't want to do her anyway, so I negotiated that they would make out with each other while I finished with Andrea and that would be it. They asked me afterwards if it was good, which seemed a little clueless. I said it was just ok and now wish I had been more honest.

So by this point I had spent 200 Euros and was not happy. I had been with 4 girls and when I passed by any of them while walking around the club we didn't say hello or acknowledge one another. (Well, Elena would kind of look at me and there might be a moment of recognition, followed by a bit of discomfort, but with the others I just didn't want to get into it. ) One of the things that I have liked about this club in the past has been making friends and as the evening wears on I am constantly bumping into girls and talking to them, they try to get me to go with their friends, etc ... I had been at the club several hours and I felt like an unwelcome stranger.

But I wasn't willing to give up yet on a club that had been so good to me in the past. I became a little more careful about selecting girls. I tried to see which gilrs might be kissing in the kino (very few). I talked with girls just to get an idea of their personalities before going with them. When I was interested in a girl I would pay attention when I saw her returning from a room. Was the guy smiling?

[Novize]

World will be closed on Dec. 24th

On Dec. 26th and 27th World will open at 6 p.m.

Closed again on Dec. 31st

On Jan. 1st World will open at 6 p.m.

[NeilSydney]

FKK World are having their Christmas Party on 22nd December. Tombola etc included with a nice motorbike as the first prize.

Anyway, I'd be curious to hear people's opinions about the Christmas Parties at FKK Clubs. I have a fear that it will turn out to be a Wurst party with way too many men and not enough girls, as many might have gone home to their countries. Then again, World's theme parties are usually pretty awesome.

Opinions would be appreciated.

[Novize]

On another board, one buddy of mine made very detailed postings about all of the girls in his favorite club, including quotes form conversations with the providers.

Imho one shouldn´t quote the girls in postings. In most girls minds, this is seen as a betrayal of trust. It gets wven worse, if you put the girls name to it. Depending on what the girl told you, she might even get some trouble. And there´s no need to quote. " As I was told,...." gives the same information to the WSG-Members.

Do not tell the girls the information that you gathered about them on this board. This serves no real purpose, but can cost you ...

And it can cost the author, see shiatsu´s posting...

After haveing sex with a girl, do not tell her that you will post this.

I agree 100%. Under all circumstances one has to avoid the impression that he wants to blackmail a girl with the fact that he´s a forum member. This would give a bad reputation for us all.

please keep the post coming.

YES!

I also know some girls who read in the (german) forums regularly. That´s a different thing. They can read comments in their context and don´t depend on partial informations. It´s nice to discuss forum-related things with these women. And you don´t have to tell them your forum name. They know it already.

But if you talk with girls not reading the forum, you will most probably cause irritations and misunderstandings. Although the girls will not understand everything, she will tell other girls, what she understood (50 % of what you said), add some horrible details to make her story more interesting and in the end we are all perverted mass murderers. Sometimes it might be nice to play with that, but it´s wiser not to do so.

[Euro100]

This is followng up on the thread regarding posting your experiences:

I have a slightly different take. The information exchange on this board gives all of us an incredible advantage when it comes to dealing with girls. It also rewards good service from the girls, because word gets around. And it punishes bad service. So its a real win-win situation for all of us to post all of our experiences.

And I know that at least a few of the girls read these posts; so they know that information is exchanged. It makes the whole business much more predictable, more enjoyable, and also very much safer for all of us.

But there are a couple of things we have to avoid:

1. Avoid identifying yourself to the providers by your board name. It's ok to let other wsg members know who you are when you are in the club, but you take a risk when telling the girls. On another board, one buddy of mine made very detailed postings about all of the girls in his favorite club, including quotes form conversations with the providers. While this made for a great read for all of us, the girls identified him and then treated him so bad because of this that he swore off posting altogether. (at least under that name ...)

2. Do not tell the girls the information that you gathered about them on this board. This serves no real purpose, but can cost you ... in particular when the information on the girl was negative.

3. After haveing sex with a girl, do not tell her that you will post this. Even if the service was stellar. And sure a hell not if the service was bad. It is tempting to tell them, I know, but it can lead to unwanted confrontations.

So please keep the post coming.
euro

[22acacia]

After reading Novize's post, I was thinking of stopping by World on Sunday afternoon to see how the club is. I realize that Oase may be the best place to be, but as I haven't been to World yet, perhaps it would be nice to meet up with some fellow mongers as well. PM me if you're interested...

[Novize]

I headed to Pohlheim for my first visit at World since September yesterday and arrived there at 3:00 p.m. I saw just a few men, but many women at the first look into the hall. I didn´t know more then 50% of the female providers even from seeing. But some of the new girls are really worth a look! About 90% of the new providers come from Romania, and about 90% of the new romanian girls can´t speak in acceptable english nor german.

A short list of the girls I recognized (and can remember):

Andrea/Romania
Celine/Croatia
Christina/Poland
Cindy/Czech
Daniela/Romania
Diana/Romania - new
Elisa/Romania
Jasmin/Romania
Julia/Germany
Julia/Romania
Larissa/Romania
Magda/Romania
Miracle/Cuba
Olga/Russia
Sandra/Romania - new
Steffi/Czech
Tamara/Czech

I had lots of laughs with friends and a very nice and playful session with

name: Jasmin
hair: blonde, shoulder-length
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slim, curvy, B-breast
origin: romanian
born: ~ 1983

icluding everything 50 Euros can buy. Highly recommended for the friends of playful GFE.

In general, the atmosphere was very low. As I was told, Wednesday was the third weak day in row. Hopefully the WSG-Mongers-Thanksgiving-Convention will cheer the girls up and cause a better atmosphere.

[Novize]

RedDog,

I think, nobody wants repeat a session with a girl that delivered poor service. If I am right, nobody will have a problem with posting bad encounters, because it doesn´t matter if this girl is angry or not.

I am posting reports for two years now and never had to face real problems with a girl, although every single girl knew that I will post my experiences. I never claimed an advantage because of that and I never received any disadvantage. But I have some own "rules" for postings:

1. Every session is unique and can´t be repeated. So it´s at least useless to report every single detail. It will never happen again this way. It´s the overall impression that counts, not the number of positions.

2. The women deliver an extremely "personal" service (at least the good providers). A woman I am not happy with may be a great experience for the next client. So I report "I didn´t enjoy it", but not "this woman delivered bad service". Of course, this rule does not apply if a girl wants to rip me off.

3. I demand to be treated respectfully. So I treat the women the same way and I write about them respectfully.

4. Even pimps can read. So I do not write anything that could cause trouble for the girl (discounts received or similar). Enjoy it, but don´t write about it!!!

5. When writing a report, I remember that there will always be an idiot running to a club with a printout and demanding "exactly the same" service. So, for example, if there´s a girl that does not want to DFK everybody (but, of course, me... ), I do not write about DFK.

6. If the girls want to know, what I wrote about them, I tell them. If the girls want to know what other guys wrote about them, I answer: "Ask them!" or "Who´s that guy?" I am not responsible for other people´s reports and I am not entitled to talk about other people´s reports with the girls.

Now, shiatsus´ experience (his postings were always perfect) shows, that all these "rules" can´t eliminate negative reactions at 100%. Some women work under enormous pressure, and they just need a valve...

But if a woman decided to use you as a valve, you don´t have to write reports. It´s enough to show up in a club wearing a towel round your hips...

Nevertheless I agree that we shouldn´t tell the girls to much about the things that are posted in the Forum. If a girl is interested in the details written here, give her the Forum´s URL. She can become at least a viewing member and have a look at the reports for herself. If she can´t manage this, she will never understand what you are trying to tell her.

But never, never, never stop posting here just because a woman complains!!!

[RedDog]

Hey everyone i understand the reason for not posting detailes but i think that at least fi there is a excepinal bad session you should post ass much as possiable and can understand (although i am still dissapointed ) not risking a true gem. but at least save me the time and money of a bad girl.

thanks for your help
rd

[Ortos]

I was at World last night, Sunday 21-11.

It was my first visit since early July '04. I saw lots of regulars: Andrea - Czech, Andrea-Rom, Julia-Rom, Cindy-Czech, Betty-Cuba, etc. But overall, I agree, the line-up for the first time in my experience lacked the kind of 'sparkle' to use Shiatsu's word that it used to.

I also agree 100% with what Beffen and Shiatsu say about not relaying reports. I have now come to the opinion that the less the girls know about our internet connections, the better. I have never had a really strongly good reaction from a girl when I tell her I will post about her or have read a post about her on the Internet. It may well leave a general negative impression in the girls' mind...?

On another note: Last night at World, posted all over the place were flyers announcing a sort of X-mass party at World on 6th Dec. So Shiatsu, you will overlap with this party...remember, how both you and I attended a party last April at World and both of us independently did not have the best impression of the club at partytime?

Tonight I am inspired to try another club, Oase. But I'll be back at World late this week, Fri-Sat, to see if there is more "sparkle" there...

Ortos

[Optimist]

Beffen

Thanks for your post, It's a shame to think that wsg members actually are insensitive enough to read posts back to the girls - although sometimes as you say it may actually end up good. It seems that there is something of an issue around this: two wsg members have told me in the last week that they have stopped posting detail or have had problems because other wsg members relay their posts back to the girls.

If wsg members want the forum to be really effective it is important that they do not try to make connections with girls by relating the detail of other members' posts. There are three members now that I know of - with posts totalling the best part of a thousand - who have had to make their posts less useful because of this behaviour by other wsg members

Anyway, on a more cheerful note, I'll be in the area again soon (5 and 6 Dec) and will visit World. I am thinking maybe some of the other clubs (Oase, Beach?) might be better than World - which certainly seemed, for the first time, to lack sparkle last time - so I look forward to reading your next report about the ambience at World

Shiatsu

[Beffen1]

Hi shiatzu- Thanks for the recent insight on World. I know that some of the World girls have bounced around, first to Atlantis and now to FKK World II. I'll see next weekend I guess.

By the way, I too have had my reports literally read back to a favorite girl at World by a forum member. She was puzzled at first but understood after I explained the story- it actually made us closer. That stuff is no fun though- she was told I was saying bad things about her, imagine that. Also- I'm glad its not only me that can get into a zone with a girl where I thouroughly enjoy the sessions but do not finish. A lot of girls can't handle that after a while and drop you. So we all have our picadillos- some cum too fast and some not fast enough.

beffen 1

[Optimist]

Two visits to World in the last week. I don't get to many FKKs so I can't give a good comparison with other clubs. What is clear is that the numbers and looks of the girls at World was much lower on these two ocasions than six weeks previously, but then, it is November. The club has an annual cycle and midwinter is a time of fewer clients and so fewer men. On Thursday there were about 35 girls and ten men around 19.00, on Monday there were around 30 girls and 10 men around 19.00

There were many of the regulars there still - Cindy, Betty, Magda, Jennifer (Czech), Stephanie, Hannah, Jenny (Romania), Julia (Germany), are a few whose names I remember. I was approached by many girls but found them all to be totally non-aggressive and polite - I was impressed by the friendliness and helpfulness of some of these - even when men were leaving and in the changing rooms some of the girls were friendly. These girls are ones who are likely to give a good experience (Cindy, Stephanie, Jenny from rumania) but of course this is not an infallible guide. Some of the best girls are not very friendly on the surface (Betty for example has had good reports)

I was not awestruck by the choice - avoiding Magda and Jennifer as their attitude is somewhat glazed and distant. Avoiding many others because I ws not overstruck by their looks (I see no reason to pay for a girl at an FKK who is worse looking than I would find at a Partytreff, unless that girl has something special about their personality or attitude). The overall atmosphere seemed to be very flat - the girls had none of the sparkle that was around in the summer

I am reluctant to give the name of one girl I went with who I like particularly. This is because some wsg members have been rather incautious and have told girls that I have reported on them. As a result, those girls will no longer go with me. Many girls do not like to know that we report in detail on them - we need to be careful which girls we say what to.

Anyway as a result I will not give the name of the girl I like - I might want to visit her again in a few weeks and I do not want wsg members repeating the detail of my posts back to her. Her father will kill her if he finds out what she is doing so she wil not want her details broadcast. She does have the distinction of being the only girl I've paid three sessions for (totalling 2,5 hours) and who has failed to make me come!. One time I made her come and she then expired. Next time halfway through the session she announced she had a pain in her abdomen and could not fuck!!, perhaps I should have complained, but I spent the rest of the hour with her and had a really enjoyable time (helped by the sight of her long legs and tight ass). We spent time in a room with five mirrored sides - the rooms at World are gradually improving, although the food seems to have slipped even lower from its previous poor quality. This girl is what I like about World - you can get relatively amateur workers who are genuine - even if they are not that good at all aspects of their job.

By the way, I had one session with a girl which was really wild and ferocious lover - the girl left me black and blue, using her sharp teeth and strong hands, That was a new experience!!