Racism against foreigners in Thailand

[The Cane]

I was just reading this article about how bad mixed Filipinos are treated in society. Funny thing, because on this board mongers are always claiming they want to have a baby with a White guy. I guess both could still be true though.

https://time.com/6275367/philippines...litary-legacy/

Sometimes, often actually, nationality comes into it as well as race. Recall the one who I said had her ranking of Asians from high to low. She also said that she thought the best pairing for a Filipina girl was with a white American man first choice, and then with a black American man second choice. What was sad was when I was in Angeles City and saw obviously mixed race kids living in the streets. It was so obvious that they were the children of white and black men who had gone over there and got young Filipina girls pregnant and left them and their kids to fend for themselves, with the kids often ending up on the streets. Very sad.

[Mr Enternational]

nobody is saying there isn't any racism or colorism in the Philippines. That exists anywhere there are people.

I was just reading this article about how bad mixed Filipinos are treated in society. Funny thing, because on this board mongers are always claiming they want to have a baby with a White guy. I guess both could still be true though.

https://time.com/6275367/philippines...litary-legacy/

[The Cane]

Why do you think that?

It's not just what I think but what I know from direct experience and observed treatment of others. Although, I should clarify that it's not always necessarily about the girls themselves per se but often the way that club management treats people differently. I found in Thailand that certain people (Indians, Africans, darker skinned) were denied admission to some bars with the "members only" bullshit excuse while East Asians and Caucasians typically faced none of that. Or if you were admitted, then maybe you were asked to pay something upfront while East Asians and Caucasians were not. That's the "colorism" I'm talking about, and it's real in Thailand. I went to one place on Soi Cowboy where anybody who wasn't East Asian was being pulled to the side and asked to pay first while East Asians were just being waived in. Now, I'm not here to deny anybody else's lived experiences, but I won't allow mine to be denied either. In the Philippines I never encountered any of that sort of thing ever. All with some money and good behavior welcome!

As proof of what I'm talking about, I've attached a picture of my "honorary East Asian / Caucasian card" as I call it that I was required to have (and pay something in advance) before I was admitted. In the meantime, I was seeing white people and East Asians being waived in with a literal, throaty "welcome"! No "member" card required. So don't tell me it's not an issue in Thailand. It absolutely is! As to your story about the Filipina, nobody is saying there isn't any racism or colorism in the Philippines. That exists anywhere there are people. Hell, I was with a Filipina one time who ranked all Asian people from high to low, with the Chinese being at the very bottom because, according to her, they were the most "mongoloid' in their appearance. What I'm talking about is not even the treatment of me or others as tourists in general, but as mongers. And in that I and others have faced some discrimination in Thailand, but I never did in the Philippines. That said, I still rank Thailand ahead of the Philippines for mongering because the scene there is so, so large and those few unpleasant experiences were quite limited, at least for me personally. But again, I'm not going to question somebody else's lived experiences in this category. And I won't allow mine to be summarily dismissed.

[Mr Enternational]

I am black and I lived in BKK for years.

I will tell you that racism in Thailand against blacks is more geared toward Africans. From Asok train station to the bars they are everywhere. They cannot get work permits in Thailand so they do whatever is necessary to survive including drugs etc. I can tell you that the Thai police routinely shake down Africans.

As far as the women-I never had a problem. The women, especially from Issan, do not care. I had one Thai girl I dated said that she was surprised after she got to know me because a white British guy had convinced her all blacks were evil(and I was not). I had to explain to her that you cannot let one person make you believe that Black Brazilians, Black Africans, Black Americans etc are a monolith. It is more a matter of culture and education. But I taught her to not base decisions like that on race.

Thai-Chinese may be another ball game. They have a general superiority complex because, as they say in Thailand, they are "Hi so"( high society etc). But they generally believe they are better than everyone that isn't Thai Chinese or white skinned.

You may have a Thai girl call you "chocolate man" here and there but trust me they mean no harm.

This post is spot on. Funny that Westerners say that Thais try to save face when Thais usually call it as they see it, but Westerners try to hide from the apparent truth. If you look on Thai Friendly you will see chicks blantly say things like I am fat, I am short, etc and they have no problem pointing out that you may have certain characteristics as well, like being a chocolate man. They are not speaking bad, they are speaking the truth and what they see.

In the West it is considered bad manners or even unthinkable to point out someone as being fat or whatever the hell else. A lot of Africans have proved themselves to be scammers, not just in Thailand, but around the world. Last week in my city in the USA there were over 36 Africans sentenced in a fraud and money laundering ring. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr...peration-stole) Thais see themselves as being better safe than sorry to acknowledge these sterotypes and tread around them accordingly. It is like you know all snakes are not poisonous, but if you see a pit of snakes are you trying to not judge and reach your hand inside and be wrong? Westerners preach giving the benefit of the doubt (but is it really practiced), while Thais do not saying upfront we do not trust you mfs. Of course nobody has the market cornered on scamming though. There are just as many Thai scammers and drug dealers as there are any place else.

[Mr Enternational]

I happen to think that "colorism" is less of an issue in the Philippines than it is in Thailand.

Why do you think that? Maybe you do not know the Philippines well or maybe it depends on your circles. Years ago I was messing with a married Filipina that lived in Thailand. Her best friend who was a police chief in the Philippines came to visit so we hooked my cousin who was also living in Thailand at the time up with her. She told him that if he came to Philippines then she could not be seen out with him because of her career and that he is Black.

Personally I have never had a racial problem in Thailand. Like most places people care about your money and not your skin color. I wanted to write something out at the time of the original post but the site was not working correctly. I do not think the original poster is aware that 13% of Thais are ethnic Chinese and that they are the richest folks in the country. Leng Kee is a Chinese name, not a Thai name. Looking around Pattaya, you know how rich this Chinese Thai family is. Also there are other board members of Chinese and other East Asian descent and they have never talked about having a problem in Thailand. If there was a problem then it was not because he was of East Asian ancestry.

[Showdown]

I happen to think that "colorism" is less of an issue in the Philippines than it is in Thailand. That said, overall I think that Thailand is the far better mongering destination where some people may have to face some discrimination from some of the girls here and there. But the scene in Thailand is so huge that this problem is only a very small part of it.

I am black and I lived in BKK for years.

I will tell you that racism in Thailand against blacks is more geared toward Africans. From Asok train station to the bars they are everywhere. They cannot get work permits in Thailand so they do whatever is necessary to survive including drugs etc. I can tell you that the Thai police routinely shake down Africans.

As far as the women-I never had a problem. The women, especially from Issan, do not care. I had one Thai girl I dated said that she was surprised after she got to know me because a white British guy had convinced her all blacks were evil(and I was not). I had to explain to her that you cannot let one person make you believe that Black Brazilians, Black Africans, Black Americans etc are a monolith. It is more a matter of culture and education. But I taught her to not base decisions like that on race.

Thai-Chinese may be another ball game. They have a general superiority complex because, as they say in Thailand, they are "Hi so"( high society etc). But they generally believe they are better than everyone that isn't Thai Chinese or white skinned.

You may have a Thai girl call you "chocolate man" here and there but trust me they mean no harm.

And learn basic Thai. Whatever walls they have up will drop in. 02 seconds.

Showdown.

[The Cane]

I've been meaning to ask about this. It's my first trip to Thailand. I'm going in a small group. It's 3-4 of us. But we plan on splitting up shortly after we land. I know as a white man I'll be treated differently than my two friends. But I'm not sure how differently. And I'm not sure if I'll have to look after him. He's concerned about traveling to Thailand cause he's not sure how he'll be treated. I've heard differnt stories. He's 6'3 a bit of an athletic build, darker skinned. All my friends says he's really handsome and he's a nerd and dresses nice. My other friend is a Latino man around my height 5'8 kind of skinny and he also dress really nice. I'm also traveling with my female "friend". I think being that me and her will be treated normal. We had a good experience in Korea.

Thoughts? Feedback? What should be careful of?

I happen to think that "colorism" is less of an issue in the Philippines than it is in Thailand. That said, overall I think that Thailand is the far better mongering destination where some people may have to face some discrimination from some of the girls here and there. But the scene in Thailand is so huge that this problem is only a very small part of it.

[PopUpMenu123]

There may be less problems in LOS for black men than Philippines even though the Philippines is better but more dangerous. How appealing are you to women back home? How do Asian women view you back home? If you are smooth you will land freebies. Bangers has a sizable middle east and African expat community so they are familiar with dark skin foreigners. You could try dating sites or tagged to get feedback. You will be OK in LOS. I find disco free lancers more choosy than FL that hang on streets or go go girls.

I've been meaning to ask about this. It's my first trip to Thailand. I'm going in a small group. It's 3-4 of us. But we plan on splitting up shortly after we land. I know as a white man I'll be treated differently than my two friends. But I'm not sure how differently. And I'm not sure if I'll have to look after him. He's concerned about traveling to Thailand cause he's not sure how he'll be treated. I've heard differnt stories. He's 6'3 a bit of an athletic build, darker skinned. All my friends says he's really handsome and he's a nerd and dresses nice. My other friend is a Latino man around my height 5'8 kind of skinny and he also dress really nice. I'm also traveling with my female "friend". I think being that me and her will be treated normal. We had a good experience in Korea.

Thoughts? Feedback? What should be careful of?

[Irish Mongrel]

LOL. XXL. I can reduce your argument to this, simply pay more. By how much 500 baht more? You are a simpleton, believing that to get girls to talk to you, being flashy is the key. Obviously your reading comprehension was not keen on how there was an inability to get to the gate not the negotiation of prices. You also believe that girls rather talk to younger guys regardless of the age of appearance because younger guys tend to have more money than 30 year olds. And as mentioned, girls that did respond, mentioned race as key elements of previous hesitation.

Obviously by your screen name you are a complete loof as you probably think your dick, here your gut size is probably more accurate, is a measure of your intelligence. GTFOH with your own denial.

Jump over to the Angeles board and you'll see girls doing the same thing, except it's white guys being overlooked by all the hot chicks for Korean or Japanese guys. Now is that racism, or is it money? To me it's a mixture of money and ignorance, I could easily out bid any of the Koreans, but why should I. Others, if they where so inclined may point to racism.

Go to Indonesia and I have what every Indonesian girl wants, deep blue eyes. So they will discriminate against other white guys because they, like lots of other Asian ladies, seem to love blue eyes to the point that the number of girls who have wanted to have babies with no attachments (which I refuse) becomes a bit of a drag, even though I point out to them that the baby may have blue eyes for about 6 months and then bye bye. Discrimination happens every where and to everyone, it's not just one specific country.

[Psychman]

LOL. XXL. I can reduce your argument to this, simply pay more. By how much 500 baht more? You are a simpleton, believing that to get girls to talk to you, being flashy is the key. Obviously your reading comprehension was not keen on how there was an inability to get to the gate not the negotiation of prices. You also believe that girls rather talk to younger guys regardless of the age of appearance because younger guys tend to have more money than 30 year olds. And as mentioned, girls that did respond, mentioned race as key elements of previous hesitation.

Obviously by your screen name you are a complete loof as you probably think your dick, here your gut size is probably more accurate, is a measure of your intelligence. GTFOH with your own denial.

Any chance you can make a cogent argument without insulting people? This post makes nearly no point other than you seem to like to be antagonistic.

[Mushuu09]

There's always somebody who wants to deny that racism has something to do with it. Well until you're in someone else's skin you're never going to have the same experience. "Colorism" is alive and well in Thailand, and I've seen it in action with my own eyes, including even when it comes to gaining admission to certain establishments. One can't even get past the doorman to have a chance to talk to the girls! I was at one place where East Asians were clearly being given preferential treatment over everyone else, including Caucasians. So don't tell us that in Thailand race has nothing to do with it. We all know better and have seen and / or experienced otherwise in our lived experiences.

LOL. XXL. I can reduce your argument to this, simply pay more. By how much 500 baht more? You are a simpleton, believing that to get girls to talk to you, being flashy is the key. Obviously your reading comprehension was not keen on how there was an inability to get to the gate not the negotiation of prices. You also believe that girls rather talk to younger guys regardless of the age of appearance because younger guys tend to have more money than 30 year olds. And as mentioned, girls that did respond, mentioned race as key elements of previous hesitation.

Obviously by your screen name you are a complete loof as you probably think your dick, here your gut size is probably more accurate, is a measure of your intelligence. GTFOH with your own denial.

[The Cane]

A friend of mine in Thailand who is a black American keeps going on about prejudice against black. However the cases of prejudice he's been reporting are simply girls who wants more money than he's prepared to pay. I don't pay go-go prices but I pay 500 more than he's willing to pay. So each time he will put down his lack of response from the same girls to "the girl not going with black guys".

Indians feel discriminated and now I see from the post below even "other Asians" do so. Thus it seems not to be the case that Asians have it easy.

What is happening is that mongering in Thailand has been deteriorating fast. Hot girls hold out for either big payers or for younger, better looking guys. The prostitution scene has morphed into a dating scene with some pay-for-play added.

Mongers are in denial. Passing yourself off as the victim of race prejudice is less humiliating than recognising you are outpriced or "outlooked". Thailand is now a place where you get cats calls at every turn from MILFs with mommy body, with any hope of landing a hot girl increasingly elusive. This is very difficult to accept for most of us, more so even for expats as for sex-tourists.

There's always somebody who wants to deny that racism has something to do with it. Well until you're in someone else's skin you're never going to have the same experience. "Colorism" is alive and well in Thailand, and I've seen it in action with my own eyes, including even when it comes to gaining admission to certain establishments. One can't even get past the doorman to have a chance to talk to the girls! I was at one place where East Asians were clearly being given preferential treatment over everyone else, including Caucasians. So don't tell us that in Thailand race has nothing to do with it. We all know better and have seen and / or experienced otherwise in our lived experiences.

[XXL]

A friend of mine in Thailand who is a black American keeps going on about prejudice against black. However the cases of prejudice he's been reporting are simply girls who wants more money than he's prepared to pay. I don't pay go-go prices but I pay 500 more than he's willing to pay. So each time he will put down his lack of response from the same girls to "the girl not going with black guys".

Indians feel discriminated and now I see from the post below even "other Asians" do so. Thus it seems not to be the case that Asians have it easy.

What is happening is that mongering in Thailand has been deteriorating fast. Hot girls hold out for either big payers or for younger, better looking guys. The prostitution scene has morphed into a dating scene with some pay-for-play added.

Mongers are in denial. Passing yourself off as the victim of race prejudice is less humiliating than recognising you are outpriced or "outlooked". Thailand is now a place where you get cats calls at every turn from MILFs with mommy body, with any hope of landing a hot girl increasingly elusive. This is very difficult to accept for most of us, more so even for expats as for sex-tourists.

[Mushuu09]

I google researched racism in Thailand and this popped up. So I'll share my experiences here, and in a way searching for reasons why it happens. I ventured into Thailand firs to BKK, Phuket, and Pattaya / BKK. This is my third trip to TH, and first trip dedicated to mongering, but I did spend a few days in Pattaya years ago, doing the same (just not at this level and effort). Anyways, I am a Asian male, born in America, parents are from VN. I go around telling girls I am American, knowing that it would provide much more success and obviously if I only speak english, the speech matches the description. Anyways, I felt there was a big presence of racism on part of Thai girls, especially freelancers, which have always been my bread and butter as most affordable, and abundant of girls. But I had so much trouble having them talk to me. I went to the meat markets, and at the clubs where there are 90% working girls (Insomnia, Illuzion, White Room); but it was hard to get conversations going. Normally, just to get chatting. Not to like get freebies, but the usual spitball. Woudln't take much. It is first Hello,/ Hi and follow up with how are you doing or what's your name. Those lines usually will garner a response. This time around in Thailand, fucken nothing, maybe a glance but a like swiped of the head upwards and away from the direction. It was quite a new revelation and new experience when it comes to fucken working girls. Hookers to be blunt. So many hot girls, and missed opportunities there. Me, myself, I pass for early 30's, Asian male, groomed, on the short side, but I have a decent and many girls say adorable face. (I don't need to go into much details as I am not hideous). But dam, the share amount of slighted heads started to really pist me off, like I did something to tarnish their family's honor. From the girls I did managed to meet and bang, they all said, oh I thought you were chinese. And it seems that if I wasn't aggressive with them, or pulling them from bars and gogo clubs, they would have slighted me too. Anyways, any thoughts or reasons why this is. And confirmation that Thai girls or maybe the culture itself is not racism against Asians. And even deeper hatered from their Chinese counterparts? I did see about of chinese tourist, but 1) they don't spend english well. I don't find that a good reason to hate a whole group. 2) from what it looks like they are not overly push and abrasive, not that I saw 3) they do travel in packs of at least 2 or 3. 4) most of them are with girl friends and are holding their girl's bags and shit.

So I don't understand the overt racism towards other Asians. And I don't see why they continue to be even after I give pleasantries in English, as to show I am American. Also, I am not dark skin and do not resemble a person from India, that racism has been well documented, now what is up with the racism to other Asian people. And in my case Asian-looking people. It was a mood changer on my trip and prevented me to partying it up as the number of girls declined rapidly, if any. After this trip, ya'll can have Thailand. It did not live up to the hype, and factoring in all the up-charges and crazy bar fines and some wanting 5000/6000 baht for ST, and then adding double lady drinks that I didn't order. The upsell did not meet it demand for me, not when other substitutes are around the corner. Any thoughts?

[Aswinpal]

All the posts on this page about Indians facing racism is true.

Saying that, I am an Indian, expat in BKK. I never had any problem with any girls ever. Because I treat them like a professional. Many people think if they are paying her, means they can treat her like trash. That's just plain disgusting.

Every WG I met, has been keen to meet again. Why? I have been nice in bed with her, never forced anything, gave a good tip, and smelled good.

As a Indian, some might be surprised, I avoid some Indian restaurants. Because of reasons mentioned below, they sit in group and make so much noise. Though, honestly, they also can be from Bangladesh or middle east.

Regarding asking for low price, that's just stupid. But few days back I saw a farang asking a girl for 2 hours for 500. She agreed. Now, there are two things, it's fine if you asked for such a low price, but if girl said no, just leave. Don't force her. And for God's sake, don't ask her, "how much for all of us".

Saying all that, though this racism towards Indian is earned by themselves, but if you're Indian, don't get discouraged. Act like a nice person, smell good, don't be a chap-tat and you will have a good time.

Exactly! I visit Thailand 3 to 4 times a year and I "always" avoid the places normally visited by Indians. I dress classy, I don't haggle unless I feel I am being scammed. I treat the girls I take out really well, also pay them a generous tip If I enjoyed my time. I have never had a problem with the women so far. In fact most of them take down my line and keep in touch even if I am outside the country.