Living in Thailand

[AndyBKK]

Thanks. Keep it coming.

Thanks, Old Thai Hand, for the language lesson. I have been trying to get my Thai girl to teach some of the bad words, but she refuse to because she will be afraid that I will use it when I am out.

In reply to your post, I would agreed with you based because the same goes with the word " black" when referring to our African- American brothers. I have many friends who are black and have no problem calling them black. But my experience is that they do get upset with people use that term negative or in a stereotypical way.

When referring to white people the Thai say "farang" in the same manner that white people call black people black and not use the term African American. So all I am stating is not to make a big deal out it. The word "farang" when referring to white people is not the same as calling a black person the "N" word.

If you do live here for a while. The Thais will start to address by your name and not as a white person. If you teach here your students will call you "ajarn" so and so.

And yes, if you actions make you out to me a dirty bag then the Thai will refer about you by your name and still talk shit about you.

[1Ball]

This is very interesting reading. Though I have to say if I had never been to Thaialnd, I might run for the hills. All in all, a fascinating introspective from some of our long term residents.

Thanks. Keep it coming.

[Old Thai Hand]

nice job andy. accurate and well written.

more or less, although quite simplistic and very narrow in its focus. good enough advice, i guess for the two-week sex tourist, though.

except, the term farang in most cases does have a negative connotation, sometimes severe and is a way for thais to keep us separate and put us down. in particular, you have to listen to how the thais say it and in what context. bargirls will use the isaan "muk sida" or "bug sida" (guava in 2 isaan dialects) either alone or with farang as in 'bug sida farang'.

"farang ta nam khao" (literally, rice-milk-colored iris) is an insult. "farang khee nok" (literally farang bird shit) is an insult meaning you're dirty, dress badly, act badly, are cheap and poor - usually used when referring to back-packers and just about any farang around nana and in pattaya.

if you challenge thais on it, because one of the several correct terms for foreigner (which none of them use) is actually 'khon dtaang chad", they will likely back down and appologize. "farang" is slang. its origins are debated. but two of the most widely accepted ones are that it either comes from ancient greek and parsi (faranghii) and literally means 'barbarian', or it comes from the thai corruption of "francais", "farangset" meaning french. in either case, it's very negative because, in the case of the latter, the french were seen as evil because they attempted to conquer siam in the 16th century and raped and pillaged in various places.

morons who attempt to ingratiate themselves to the thais by referring to themselves as "farang" are merely perpetuating the sterotype. you might as well call yourself an asshole or dirtbag. it's the same difference.

i hate being called "farang" and will make it clear to thais, when they use it in particularly nasty ways, that i understand the underlying meaning and ask if they'd like me to call them a "kwai" (buffalo, but meaning stupid), or "bugsider" (meaning innocent in isaan, but simpleton or idiot in thai) or the worst "hee-aa" (monitor lizard. but one of the worst insults you can hurl at a thai).

[Nocal]

The Natives: The term facade comes to mind. Everyone is looking at the outward facade of other people. And more often than not the Natives will give you a fake facade. Advice: Trust no one , and don't loan out your money for any reason.

The food: If you don't like it spicy make sure to stand by the cook because if you tell them "mai pei" ( not spicy) 10 times, instead of the normal 7 peppers they will put in 2 peppers, which is enough to burn a hole in your stomach sometimes. Advice: work your way in the kitchen and stand by the cook while pretending to either take picture for a travel site to promote their restaurant or chit chat. Make sure to stop the cook from adding the peppers.

No toilet paper: The Thais do not use toilet papers, instead they stray their shit strained butt holes with water. Advice: look for a water hose near the toilet. At first I thought that it would not clean the region, but it does a better job then toliet paper and greener.

Other non-Thais: There are many shady characters here. I have on many occasions run into white dirty bags who bragged about conning other non-Thais. they come in all shaping and sizes, and they promote all type of BS and BS products . Advice: Avoid listening to their sales pitch and move on, treat them no differently than a tuk tuk driver. Note:No offense to anyone on this forum, mostly referring to the farangs that live in Thailand.

Mosquitoes: I have seen people come down with malaria in Bangkok and have heard of people dying from it. Advice: Go to a travel clinic and get the anti-malaria meds. Also buy a repellent at 7-eleven and use it every time you go outside.

Bad service or girls lying- Since go go bars only give 2 days holidays per month, a lot of girls are working while on their period. Advice:If you paid the bar fine and upon further inspection you find out that your new "friend" is on the rag. Take her back and demand a refund. All of the bars in Nana will refund your bar fine money. 600B is close to $20usd, so no joke.

lady drinks- A lady drink can cost 160B ( $4usd) and can add up if you hang out for a long time. If you like a girl and know that you will bar fine her, then do so rather than lounge around in her bar. You can party with her at a different location if you like. Advice:Whisper in her ear that you will give her "big tip" but no lady drink. A former go go bar girl told me this trick.

No ping pong balls- it cost 20B for 1 ball and the girl only get 10B. I was told it is better to break a 100B bill into small 20B bills and toss that! this way the girls will get the whole amount.

Go go bars and all night time establishments will cheat you- they have tried this on me, but I am a sober drunk. . Advice: Make sure to pay your drinks as you order them. this way they can not cheat you, at least by a lot.


Bargirls love- Often the girls will not warm up to you on the first encounter, and thus not getting off during sex with you. If you are here for a while try bar fining her a second or third time, this will lead to a sense of familiarity which can lead to a rather eventful sexual encounter. I have a so so finish encounter, but after the 2nd and 3rd time. They sleep with me for free now and swallow my cum.

"Farang"- is not a bad word or a derogatory word in the Thai language. they use this word for many fruits and objects that were brought over from overseas. I hear it almost everyday. It basically mean foreign. The Thai have a very tough time saying "tourist" for some reason. One girl I try to teach her is word and she kept saying toilet. So farang to the Thai is like saying tourist. Also during recent discussion with a young (19) and hot Issan girl, she told me a fortune teller told her to come to Bangkok where she will meet a "farang" who will marry her. With a smile she told me that her mom told the fortune teller if that turn out to be turn than she ( the mom) will give the fortune teller a car ( purchased using the farang's money). As you can see in this context the word farang has a very positive connotation.

Other advices

Don't wai the staff and/or the girls at the bars-Wai is only for service people to customer. not the other way around. And definitely not the girls. Everyone will think you're a complete moron.

Don't dance on stage- You might get a good laugh from the customers, but the girls, who are working or dancing will not like it very much. You're stealing the customers' attention!

Don't take of your shirt, pants, and underwear- That is plain gross. There's a few gay bars in Patpong you can go to!

I live here for a while and have "researched" many aspects of Thai life, so trust me with the above-mentioned.

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Nice job Andy. Accurate and well written.

[AndyBKK]

The Natives: The term facade comes to mind. Everyone is looking at the outward facade of other people. And more often than not the Natives will give you a fake facade. Advice: Trust no one , and don't loan out your money for any reason.

The food: If you don't like it spicy make sure to stand by the cook because if you tell them "mai pei" ( not spicy) 10 times, instead of the normal 7 peppers they will put in 2 peppers, which is enough to burn a hole in your stomach sometimes. Advice: work your way in the kitchen and stand by the cook while pretending to either take picture for a travel site to promote their restaurant or chit chat. Make sure to stop the cook from adding the peppers.

No toilet paper: The Thais do not use toilet papers, instead they stray their shit strained butt holes with water. Advice: look for a water hose near the toilet. At first I thought that it would not clean the region, but it does a better job then toliet paper and greener.

Other non-Thais: There are many shady characters here. I have on many occasions run into white dirty bags who bragged about conning other non-Thais. they come in all shaping and sizes, and they promote all type of BS and BS products . Advice: Avoid listening to their sales pitch and move on, treat them no differently than a tuk tuk driver. Note:No offense to anyone on this forum, mostly referring to the farangs that live in Thailand.

Mosquitoes: I have seen people come down with malaria in Bangkok and have heard of people dying from it. Advice: Go to a travel clinic and get the anti-malaria meds. Also buy a repellent at 7-eleven and use it every time you go outside.

Bad service or girls lying- Since go go bars only give 2 days holidays per month, a lot of girls are working while on their period. Advice:If you paid the bar fine and upon further inspection you find out that your new "friend" is on the rag. Take her back and demand a refund. All of the bars in Nana will refund your bar fine money. 600B is close to $20usd, so no joke.

lady drinks- A lady drink can cost 160B ( $4usd) and can add up if you hang out for a long time. If you like a girl and know that you will bar fine her, then do so rather than lounge around in her bar. You can party with her at a different location if you like. Advice:Whisper in her ear that you will give her "big tip" but no lady drink. A former go go bar girl told me this trick.

No ping pong balls- it cost 20B for 1 ball and the girl only get 10B. I was told it is better to break a 100B bill into small 20B bills and toss that! this way the girls will get the whole amount.

Go go bars and all night time establishments will cheat you- they have tried this on me, but I am a sober drunk. . Advice: Make sure to pay your drinks as you order them. this way they can not cheat you, at least by a lot.


Bargirls love- Often the girls will not warm up to you on the first encounter, and thus not getting off during sex with you. If you are here for a while try bar fining her a second or third time, this will lead to a sense of familiarity which can lead to a rather eventful sexual encounter. I have a so so finish encounter, but after the 2nd and 3rd time. They sleep with me for free now and swallow my cum.

"Farang"- is not a bad word or a derogatory word in the Thai language. they use this word for many fruits and objects that were brought over from overseas. I hear it almost everyday. It basically mean foreign. The Thai have a very tough time saying "tourist" for some reason. One girl I try to teach her is word and she kept saying toilet. So farang to the Thai is like saying tourist. Also during recent discussion with a young (19) and hot Issan girl, she told me a fortune teller told her to come to Bangkok where she will meet a "farang" who will marry her. With a smile she told me that her mom told the fortune teller if that turn out to be turn than she ( the mom) will give the fortune teller a car ( purchased using the farang's money). As you can see in this context the word farang has a very positive connotation.

Other advices

Don't wai the staff and/or the girls at the bars-Wai is only for service people to customer. not the other way around. And definitely not the girls. Everyone will think you're a complete moron.

Don't dance on stage- You might get a good laugh from the customers, but the girls, who are working or dancing will not like it very much. You're stealing the customers' attention!

Don't take of your shirt, pants, and underwear- That is plain gross. There's a few gay bars in Patpong you can go to!

I live here for a while and have "researched" many aspects of Thai life, so trust me with the above-mentioned.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[LittleBigMan]

AndyBkk,

This could be the case anywhere in the world not only Thailand. Personally only the weak minded and a weak welled individual that allows others to advise them and lead them, do drugs come into play to escape reality. This is a very narrow generalization!

Personally growing up I had school friends that die in their late teens early 20's from drugs. Some were surprisingly smart and some were just plain stupid but in the end all had to be in gangs, clubs, or whatever you like to call them and were lead around and told what to do like dogs. Whatever their problems in life, home life, school life, or having to sell themselves to others if you aren't strong mentially it wouldn't be surprising that sooner or later drugs will end up controlling their lives this was no different with those in the big house too.

LBM

[NicFrenchy]

The girls start using drugs after they work in the bars for a while ( 4+ months). Here's a summary of what happens

1. a young Thai girl from a poor uneducated family either dumps her loser Thai BF or gets dumped.

2. She talks to her family about what she could do next to get over her ex and make some money. Parents/relatives/neighbors recommend going to Bangkok to find a job in a company/factory/shop.

3. She comes to Bangkok and does work in one of the above-mentioned for a week or so and decides that it's too much work / the boss is too mean / she has no friends to talk to.

4. She will phone back to the person that initial told her to come. And that person will recommend she either go work in a massage palor / Nana / Soi cowboy / Pat Pong / Pattaya. (This depends solely on the person who is "in the know" previous experience or work history)

5. She will far in love with a foriegn customer within 2-4 months. This customer will take her away to spend time with him at high end resorts, islands, go swimming in crystal clear beachs, etc. (stuff that she's never done before). Ideas of this contining forever fills her mind. Her "lover" returns home to go back to work, but makes promises to send money to her / marry her / bring her to his country / etc. In many cases, she will receive payments for a few months and not work because her "sponsor / lover" checks on her at odd hours, video chat with her during her working hours, has his buddies look after her, etc.

6. She will get bored of this easy arrangment after about 2 months and will go to discos, pub, and go-go bars for girls (Handsome looking Thai guys dancing on poles, who can be bar fined, just like Nana) with some of her girl-buddies from the bar after they get off from work. She will start to drink and "try" some drugs to be "cool" and not lose face.

7. She will get addicited and her allowance from the sponsor will not be enough to cover her drug use, partying, and paying for handsome Thai guys to stuff her.

8. Meanwhile her sponsor will catch wind of this and stop sending payments.

9. She is back in the bar full time and now is heavy into drug to cover her depression of having to sleep with many guys, who are old enough to be her grandpa. Not to mention the drugs help her stay awake until 2-4am.

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Very well written. Thanks for the report.

[NicFrenchy]

Before you get info any taxi make sure to get a look at the taxi number this will help you to file a report later with the tourist police.

Yes, and the Tourist police is so helpful they will help you "file" your Claim in the garbage bin.

[AndyBKK]

The girls start using drugs after they work in the bars for a while ( 4+ months). Here's a summary of what happens

1. a young Thai girl from a poor uneducated family either dumps her loser Thai BF or gets dumped.

2. She talks to her family about what she could do next to get over her ex and make some money. Parents/relatives/neighbors recommend going to Bangkok to find a job in a company/factory/shop.

3. She comes to Bangkok and does work in one of the above-mentioned for a week or so and decides that it's too much work / the boss is too mean / she has no friends to talk to.

4. She will phone back to the person that initial told her to come. And that person will recommend she either go work in a massage palor / Nana / Soi cowboy / Pat Pong / Pattaya. (This depends solely on the person who is "in the know" previous experience or work history)

5. She will far in love with a foriegn customer within 2-4 months. This customer will take her away to spend time with him at high end resorts, islands, go swimming in crystal clear beachs, etc. (stuff that she's never done before). Ideas of this contining forever fills her mind. Her "lover" returns home to go back to work, but makes promises to send money to her / marry her / bring her to his country / etc. In many cases, she will receive payments for a few months and not work because her "sponsor / lover" checks on her at odd hours, video chat with her during her working hours, has his buddies look after her, etc.

6. She will get bored of this easy arrangment after about 2 months and will go to discos, pub, and go-go bars for girls (Handsome looking Thai guys dancing on poles, who can be bar fined, just like Nana) with some of her girl-buddies from the bar after they get off from work. She will start to drink and "try" some drugs to be "cool" and not lose face.

7. She will get addicited and her allowance from the sponsor will not be enough to cover her drug use, partying, and paying for handsome Thai guys to stuff her.

8. Meanwhile her sponsor will catch wind of this and stop sending payments.

9. She is back in the bar full time and now is heavy into drug to cover her depression of having to sleep with many guys, who are old enough to be her grandpa. Not to mention the drugs help her stay awake until 2-4am.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.

[AndyBKK]

Oth,

First, let me say that I am happy you escape this bad situation. Mostly you did the correct things, I believe this because you are ok.

Second, thank you so very much for sharing this incident. For a traveler like me, this is pricelees because it reminds me that I am merely a visitor and need to be careful.

Thank you for the informative postings.

Be well.

Xerman

Before you get info any taxi make sure to get a look at the taxi number this will help you to file a report later with the tourist police.

[Opebo]

I only meant to say that we owe the need for funds to buy and enjoy drugs for the presence of many of our service providers in the industry.

[Redfield10]

Which is the "before" and which is the "after? "

Ok, just joking with ya.

Sad for those people involved. Very sad, really.

From photo galleryIce and Yaba are basically the same drug (Ice is crystal meth, and Yaba is crystal meth with caffeine mixed in. (That would kill me - I'm hyper and insomniac enough without drugs).

Stalker Girl in Pattaya last week was pretty zapped and horny when she turned up at my hotel by surprise at 8am for more sex. I should've known at the time that she was on Ice or yaba. She wanted sex several times more and wouldn't sleep. If I'd known she was on Ice I wouldn't have let her back in. I avoided her calls the next few days, but she found me on my final night in Walking street and ran after me - I firmly told her to get away as she was too much trouble. She backed off fast.

Too bad that many Thai BGs are on Ice/Yaba. Is this a recent thing?

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http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking07/Yaba.html

Ice/Meth - before and after:

[Old Thai Hand]

Old Asia Hand, I think Opebo is refering to vitamin V as the drug of choice for mongers.

I've noticed more and more, girls sitting idley with one of those "clear your sinuses, when you have a cold" tubes up their noses. These girls don't seem to have colds. Does anyone know if this is related to drug use?

no. That's "Yaa Dohm" (mentholated inhaler). All Thais use these to excess, (actually bad for the nasal passages) and it's an indication of the Thai preoccupation with smell.

Yaa = drug or medicine
dohm = sniff, inhale

[NoCBJ4Me]

Old Asia Hand, I think Opebo is refering to vitamin V as the drug of choice for mongers.

I've noticed more and more, girls sitting idley with one of those "clear your sinuses, when you have a cold" tubes up their noses. These girls don't seem to have colds. Does anyone know if this is related to drug use?

[Opebo]

Too bad that many Thai BGs are on Ice/Yaba. Is this a recent thing?

Um.. seriously? No. Its been going on for many years. Lets thank our lucky stars - drugs are the monger's friend.