Chisinau

[Prosal]

your first port of call in the evening should be city bar great place cheap drinks and the finest honeys you can imagine

Great bar cheap drinks sounds nice (smilie). Is the place also busy on weekdays?

BTW, anyone been to Nostalgie in Chisinau lately? It used to be IMO the best DJ bar on the planet, rocking 7/7, and filled with debauched drunk sluts, but how is it now? What about Militari also?

An updated analysis of Kish nightlife would be great (especially about the alternatives to the glam clubs) , and much more usefull than the boring BS stuff posted on this thread regularly.

[Prosal]

the girls are also in my opinion only I would say more educated and not so easy to bag any more

It is not surprising. There is simple factors that explain that scoring in FSU is not that easy now.

Girls have been exposed to sex-tourism for years now, and have figured out since long that foreigners only want to fuck them. They are not naive and they know the deal. Furthermore, many of them have travelled to EU or exotic destinations, have had the opportunity to meet many type of guys, and therefore have raised their standards. They now are not looking for "anyone", but rather for "the One". This eliminates 90% of the sex-hungry foreigners from consideration, given that their caliber is rather low (hords of turks and italians with no class and no cultural understanding). Also as you said, there is an increased competition from the locals. Many local guys have dramatically improved their game and their look, have now financial means, and girls realise that "escaping their country with a foreigner" is not their only option for a good and happy life.

Thanks for your report anyway.

[Fawie]

Hey Guys, long time no post from me and I have not even been lurking that much, I must be getting older as I have not been as adventurous as I used to be on my Moldovan trips over the past year or so, not to say I have'nt of course. But not as much. I thought I would share some insights if any of you are interested for me I think chisinau is close to dying to be fair, one good thing is the turks and italians do not seem to be in force as they used to be which is great, but the new generation Moldovan guys seem to be more caring loving blah blah blah, which make a modest mongers life quite difficult, the girls are also in my opinion only I would say more educated and not so easy to bag any more unless your a long termer who is going to not shower them with gifts of course but offer them a better standard of living then they are likely to get from local options which in most cases are not hard again if your looking for the long term thing, as I have a business there it suits me great as I go there quite often and it saves time having to chase fresh meat as it where, I do not have any women I regulalry see in chisinau but I have found a undiscovered treasure which I want to share with you all, Bendery, the ladies are far more social-able and less stuck up then Chisinau, the place is uber cheap, and as I say the people are just plan friendly, in the 3 yearss I have been making it a regular place for me I have made friends never once been robbed conned or had one pulled over me, the chicks are happy to meet a foreigner, it is a great over all place, chisinau 10 years ago we can say.

If you choose to make a trip it is not that hard a taxi will take you for like 400 lei maybe less, you can rent a decent appt for about $25 a night and when your done head back to chisinau, but look your not going to go there 15 minutes bag a lady bang her and head back it does take some work and you need to do the ground work before you go but that is not too hard, your first port of call in the evening should be city bar great place cheap drinks and the finest honeys you can imagine, feel free to strike up a convo, as long as you do not make it obvious your there for one thing only you should in a day or 2 get some va va voom.

Most will take modlovan lei hoever I suggest you head into a sheriff market and convert your lei into thier roubles you will get a better rate then paying direct in the bars with lei.

ANyway thought I would share a bit, happy mongering any q's about bendery just PM me!

[Dexa 960]

I have decide that I will make a series of reports about Moldova, where the target group is the 50+ "first time male tourist" who is thinking about coming to Moldova and meet Moldova women.

I am private person, so I will only write in generally. I will never post photo of girls I meet in Moldova. Because personally do I think this is part of the girl and my private life. I do not want to make it public on Internet. In many ways are I am a private person. Because I am private person, do I only write in generally, and there will be no photos of women I have met. But I have been many times in Moldova, so I think I have some "know-how" about Moldova.

I am not putting photo on Internet. Instead I am doing that I am willing to personally at meet with other men from ISG Moldova Forum in Moldova, when I myself are in Moldova. In the past 8 years have I met with 6 friends from ISG Moldova forum. All 6 meetings have been very nice and it has been very good to share experience about women in Moldova, and drink a good drink together. All 6 meeting was in Chisinau.

How can you know if my "expert principle" will work? You can not know. Of course can I not provide a guarantee for success. I can just say that I personally after visiting Moldova many times in the last 10 years, have I in the last 3 years meet and "have action with" more young 18 to 29 old Moldovan women, then I did in a 3 years period while I was a young man (and meet young women in my home country). It has been odd and a bit strange for me to experience this as a 50+ old man. In the last 3 years period in Moldova, have I had 2 long-term girlfriends in Chisinau, and I am still together with the last one. My long-term girlfriend is 19 years old. I am a 50+ man. So for me, have my "expert principle" worked very well.

Just now is I am in several reports in this series looking at different aspect related to dating with Moldovan women. In this report will I look different aspect related why Moldovan women are interested in western men.

The male student rate to the girls here in Chisinau is very high I mean for one man / boy have 3-5 girls In Tiraspol for example the rate even higher 7-10 girls for one man / boy.

This will make you an easy situation when you come here and want to find one night stand or long serious relationship with a local Moldavian beautiful girl.

(Essi. 10-08-06)

I never said that everyone can do the same as happen with me because the others don't come to kishinev so often.

The information what I gave here was from my and my freinds experience who stay or come often like me.

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You have to learn the mentality of the Moldovan girls and to say the right words what will make them want you and feel good with you not every foriegner will make them jumping to his bed on the first night. The girls here want you strong, rich, clever, and kind to them not money necesery show up.

I will not say everyone include me have 100% success it happen to me when I go to disco and go out with empty hands and not even mobile number of a girl, even some girls refuse my eye contact, so what? There is other nights too.

If you recpect them and if she knows that you will be comming here for her many times in the year like you have office here it make them think to invest in this relation even to jump to your bed on the first night. Otherwise she will feel like "fuck an go" and she will refuse you.

This is the fact and the real sitiation in kishinev. Your age not always the problem here you have to look ok and behave charm.

ESSI

In this report do we look at some factors that may contribute to why Moldovan women are interested in western men. Now have Essi in one report made this theory (please see quote above) where he said that there are many more female students compared to the number of male students in Chisinau. In addition, did he say that the difference is so great that it would affect the situation positive for the male tourist who visits Chisinau. I have decided in this report to examine whether this position is true or false.

One of the most common misunderstandings is that the main reason to Moldovan women interest in western men is the western men's money or the western men's passport. I disagree, when talk about "normally" women (women who not are prostitute). The main reason why Moldovan women are interested in western men is that there are too few "good" Moldovan men in Moldova. In the last 10 years have I am been talking with many Moldovan women, and common for many of them, is that they had bad experience with the local Moldovan men. They simply have had big problems with finding a "good" Moldovan man. How can it happen that Moldovan women in Chisinau have so difficult to find a "good" local Moldovan man?

First at all does Moldovan men doing badly, when we talk about higher education. Regarding the gender distribution among students, does Moldovan women prevail and Moldovan women share of the total numbers students at higher education was in the education year 2007/08 at 59% compared to 41% for the Moldovan male share. In 2007/2008 was the actual numbers of male and female students respectively 50500 and 72400 students. This means that there are 21900 more female students compared with the number of male students. This is such a big difference, so this may in fact give an advantage to the male tourist who visits Chisinau, Moldova. On top of these problems is it also true that many men in Moldova simple drink all too much. Moldovan women winds "hands up", but at same time is the result that Moldovan women have very difficult to find a "good" local Moldovan man.

Secondly dose it looks like there is a tendency that more Moldovan men emigrate compared with the number of Moldovan women who emigrate from Moldova. Moldova has a massive labour migration, which has pushed around 30 percent of the labour force into working abroad. A good guess is that around 800. 000 persons have emigrated from Moldova. It look like that around 66% of the Moldovan emigrates are men, while only 34% of the Moldovan emigrates are women. The average age of migrants is 34 to 35 years. This would say that the Moldovan women simply have lost very many good men in a good age because of emigration.

All in all can you say that the emigration from Moldova simply has reduced the "dating pool" of Moldovan men. The socio-economic problems for Moldovan men with lack of education and drinking have further reduced the "dating pool" of "good" Moldovan men. The result has simply been that Moldovan women in Chisinau have big problems with finding a "good" Moldovan man. This has resulted in that Moldova's women do outnumber "good" Moldovan men. The consequences of this are that there's more competition among Moldovan women for those guys. You can say the "sexual market" in Moldova is becoming very competitive with so few "good" Moldovan men. This means that Moldovan women has raise their game, which in Moldova means that Moldovan women have increased there willingness to perform premarital heterosexual sexual relationships. Most likely have Moldovan women also made an increase in premarital sexual partners. It also look like Moldovan women have lowered their demands to the man's age and appearance, which I guess is the reason that it has been possibly for me as a 50+ man to have had several young 18 to 29 years old Moldovan as my long-term girlfriends in the last 5 years. This competitive environment has also increased Moldovan women's desire to meet and date western men. It looks like young Moldovan women because of this competitive environment are willing to have long-term relationship including sex with 40 to 69 years old western men if they in return can get attention, care, social security, social status and a long-term perspective on the relationship, which would say a long-term relationship which last at least 1 year or more, but not marriage. At least this is my personally experience. You can say that in Moldova do the hard law of supply and demand rule in Moldova's "sexual marked" for men and women.

So in answer to my opening question, what would I say to Essi's claim, which was that there are many more female students compared to the number of male students in Chisinau. In addition, did he say that the difference is so great that it would affect the situation positive for the male tourist who visits Chisinau. In response, would I say, that I actually think his claim quite basically is true. In addition does it also look like the emigration have reduce the number of men in Moldova and this does also look as it has affect the situation positive for the male tourist who visits Chisinau.

In another report to Essi, did I also write this about his claim (please see quote below).

In any case, is it a very big issue you have raised here and I have therefore decided to write a report on this topic in the Chisinau thread, in my series about the "first time male tourist". My report on this issue has hopefully been uploading now in the Chisinau thread. Please read my report in the Chisinau thread on this issue. But if I shall be honest do I think that your figures only should be understood just as a colorful illustration of the situation in Chisinau, where it not was your intent that the figures should be interpreted as precise numerical description of the situation in Chisinau. If this is the case do I actually agree with you.

Now you must not think that this kind of competitive environment only exist in Moldova. You can just go to USA; on many US College campuses today have women outnumber men. Only 43 percent of American undergraduates today are men. These have resulted in a competitive environment with a "hookup" culture on many US campuses.

I will stop this report now.

PS:

List of reference:

CBS-AXA Consultancy, Migration and remittances in Moldova, IOM Chisinau 2005.

Statistica Moldova, women & men in the republic of Moldova, Chisinau 2008.

[Dexa 960]

(Blonde Addict. 04-21-12)

Well I had been here 10 years ago when married and I went the GIA route. This time I am divorced and decided to mine the single date sites first like ukrianedate. Com and wonderfulove. Ru maybe looking for something serious. I had 25 beautiful prospects, some in the 10 category. I stayed at Kiev apartments in the center, great location, but there is one problem I shall tell you about later.

Ukraine now is just paranoid about sexual tourism, Most of the women where constantly badgering me before the date that I wasnt looking for sex. Of course I am but as part of a GFE with greater possbilities. So far in 1 week 6 actual date- no sex generated from them, althouhg I think 2 could have gone that way but I cut it off due to lack of attraction. 4 no shows, and I robbery. Briefly she wanted me to wire money for her visit and then no showed, I had her banned from the website after that.

So needles to say after several frustrating days I turned to the pro route.

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One fianl note. Your biggest enemy here are the police. They are very corrupt here. I am not in the habit of carrying my paassport everywhere, but they use not having that as an excuse to shake you down and threaten to bring you to police department and stay overnight. Once they shook me down for 500 gringaa, the other time $200 right outside of my apartment when I was steppein out to pay for the taxi of WG! I hear if you just say go ahead and take me there they will back down but I hear in the last 3 years this has gotten very bad, I am here another week and then on to russia wait forr more reports!

(CallSign Papa. 04-21-12)

Good report BA. Playing the long game with non-P4P girls is definitely a lottery, but it basically comes down to showing them that you're serious and not just around to get laid once or twice. Of course you can get lucky and meet a girl who just wants to get screwed, but that doesn't happen often. You're definitely right about the Sex Tourist paranoia.

Dear Delta Indigo,

Here is a PS to my last report, where I compare Moldova with Ukraine. You remember that I am in my last report to you did write that I think Moldova and Ukraine is on the same level when we talk about the possibility for a western 50+ male tourist to start a long-term relationship with an 18 to 29 years old woman. As supports to my opinion do I think you (or people in general) shall read 2 reports from Blonde Addict and CallSign Papa about Kiev, Ukraine (see the 2 quote above) where they talk about Sex Tourist paranoia in Kiev. This talk can be compare with my own talk where I did talk about "a general skepticism about the male "first time" tourist who arrives to Chisinau". In basic do I think Blonde Addict and CallSign Papa are talking about the same problem in Kiev as I am are talking about in Chisinau. Blonde Addict has another solution because he simply suggests turning to the pro route. In Chisinau is the problem just that there only is a little pro route in the city. As you maybe remember was my suggestion to solution that you simply show patience in the first 2 holidays in Moldova. My personal experience is that the problems with "Sex Tourist paranoia" and "general skepticism" become much smaller after 3 holidays in Moldova. If you have any better ideas to solve this problem with "Sex Tourist paranoia" and "general skepticism" would I love to hear them. Personally do I think the problem is how showing them (the Moldovan women) that you're serious and want some kind of long-term relationship. Once you have convinced them, are the Moldovan women in general very flexible in relation to the type and kind of long-term relationship we / they have.

As Blonde Addict describes it, does it also look like Kiev has some of the same police problem as in Chisinau (as I have described in some of my former reports).

Dexa

[Dexa 960]

(Dexa 960, 03-14-12)

That does not mean that experienced western male tourist who are coming to Moldova for his first time and speak Romanian and / or Russian does not have a good possibility to meet and "have action with" Moldovan women. This will specially be the case if he in the past has been living many years in Russia, Ukraine or Romania or had been traveling to these countries in many years (10 to 15 years). Moldovan women will like this type of men, even when they arrive to Moldova for there first time. Because there past show that the person feel himself associated with these countries in this region. Some Moldovan girls will think that this increase the possibility that the western man will return to Moldova, which make him a more attractive man seen with Moldovan women's eyes.

(BrasilSoccer0, 04-18-12)

DEXA:

But to be frankly honest, I think you can still post some proof of your 19 or 20yrs old Moldovan girls and still protect their identity by covering their eyes or faces! Have you thought about that?

And by the way, I don't like cold freezing winters so that's why I am arriving this summer and will be more than happy to buy you a "bear" as long as it is of reasonable price and legal to do. .

I, like other commentators don't think I need 2-3 trips to Moldova to bed a non-pro. I believe ESSI has proven that, unless I am missing something. To me that sounds too extrem. I am investing 5-6 wks in this visit so I hope that's enough.

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Oh, by the way I am starting to learn some Russian. I hope that will work in Moldova and just in case also in Ukraine.

Dear BrasilSoccer0,

I look very much forward to meet you. I am coming to Moldova in July and I will stay in Moldova in 4 weeks. Just PM me, and we made agreement about how to meet. About photo, I am sorry but this is an absolute principle, because I want to protect privacy for me and my friends including girlfriends.

I have not said it total impossible to meet somebody and make sex in the first holyday, what I did said was that of several reasons is it better to wait to vacation number 3. It is a plus that you have begun to learn Russian and it is also a plus that you plan to stay 5 to 6 weeks in Moldova. When we meet "face to face" in Moldova in July can we talk much more about what is possible in Chisinau and what is not possible (for more se also my report to Delta Indigo).

Have you been in some of these countries (EE) before?

Dexa

[Dexa 960]

(Dexa 960, 12-22-11)

For me Moldova is both Heaven (paradise) and a "Hardball" hell place. Heaven, because I personally expire, it possible as a 50+ man to find young nice fun-loving, romantic, charming, well educated, sweet 18 – 29 years old women and make sex with them and have a long time relationship with them. I have tried that in Moldova. And I will guess this is also possible in Belarus, Ukraine and Central Asia, when we a talking about European and FSU country.

(Dexa 960, 09-04-06. I have made correction of 2 spelling mistake in the quote)

Ruan you did ask about how Moldova is compare with provincial cities in Ukraine. I have been many times in Moldova and East Ukraine, and my personally experience is that it is the same. With one big exception, there are more foreign people going to Chisinau in Moldova, so Moldova is much more difficult the first time you are in Moldova compare with East Ukraine. You shall not be surprise if nothing happens the first holyday you are in Moldova. Do not be sorry, it will be much better when you have been 3 holydays in Moldova. In Moldova is time a key factor, so you need to stay in Chisinau a long time (2 weeks can be a good idea).

(Delta Indigo. 04-17-12)

So the fact that you can get non pro young girls is the main reason that Moldovan girls are special, this is the gist of your reports I know.

But do you think this is any less likely in Ukraine or South America?

In Eastern Europe, age is not such an important thing like in the USA, yes I am from there as well although I live in the UK.

Some girls have asked me my age in EE, but they act surprised when I tell them I am 35+, since most guess 25+. But never hold it against me.

I remember I met some American girls of Armenian origin once in London and they had graduated from the same university as I had, and they asked me what year I had graduated when I said the mid 90s, they did not want to talk to me anymore.

This is bizarre American behaviour and not typical of many regions.

Is Moldova special? Also when I mentioned Ukraine I did not mean Pay for Play, I think girls are a lot easier to meet in Ukraine than say Argentina for example.

So even if you are not into P4P, the girls are fairly easy to meet and will sleep with you far sooner than the situation you describe in Moldova.

I understand you have an unique and valuable insight into Moldova.

But the question still remains, why should someone devote all this effort into Moldova, when he can get much higher returns in Ukraine?

I do conceed that the Ukranian girls might end up costing a lot more in the long run.

Dear Delta Indigo,

Thanks for your reply.

In your report did you ask me to compare Moldova with Ukraine. I have already done that in 2 reports from 2011 and 2006. I still have the same opinion as in these 2 reports. That would say that I still think Moldova and Ukraine is on the same level when we talk about the possibility for a western 50+ male tourist to start a long-term relationship with an 18 to 29 years old woman. There is a slight disadvantage to Moldova in the first 2 vacations. But otherwise do I think it is at the same level. Please read the 2 quotes above from my 2 reports in which I mention it.

I must say that I am a little surprised by the questions which I have been facing about the idea with show patience and "study" in the first 2 holidays in Moldova. But you must all remember that we are talking about long-term relationship with length usually at a minimum at 1 year and where there is no upper limit on the duration of the relationship, it can last 1 year or it may last 5 years. If we say,"you" (it is just an unknown person we are thinking on) have made chat with girls in Chisinau, Bishkek and Kiev. But "you" know nothing about these 3 countries where the cities are located. I think it could be a good idea just to take 2 vacations to Moldova, and actually se if you like the country, understand the culture, like the climate and so on. It would be stupid to have a 5 year long relationship with a girl in a country (Moldova) , if "you" hate this country (Moldova) , and do not understand the culture. I would guess that such a relationship will not last 5 years. But would it be fair to put the girl in such a situation, just because "you" not have prepared yourself well enough before you started the relationship. And then there still is the old argument about getting a bigger experience so "you" more easily can find out if a Moldovan woman is a party girl, scam girl, gold-digger girl or "green cards girl", or you show patience and wait 2 holydays and then also get a bigger supply of girls on vacation number 3. I think it is 3 solid arguments for why to show patience and wait 2 vacations. There have also been a lot of talks about the "big" work I suggest people to do. To be honest I can not se that it is an all too big work. OK, I suggest that people used the 2 first vacations to study Moldova and Moldovan culture. But that is that, the rest is that you need to make a lot of chat so you can get a lot of telephone number and then you need to visit Moldova 3 times every year so you have time together with your long-term girlfriend. I am surprised that people think it is so big a work. But people need to remember that Moldovan girls not just run to you, when you go out from the airplane, you need to do some big work.

In the last 5 years have I more or less every year either met or heard about western "first time" male tourist who came into problems because they had not prepared them self well enough before they arrive to Moldova (and met Moldovan women) and they become easy victim for different kind of scam. My suggestions are just an idea about how to handle this problem. If you have any better ideas would I love to hear them.

I do also think that girls both in Moldova and Ukraine are much more flexible when we talk about the age of the man. I will actual say that race and age only play a minor role for Moldovan and Ukraine women. And I will guess this is also the case for women in Belarus and Central Asia (but this is only a guess). When we talk about long-term girlfriends, do I not think you will get much higher returns in Ukraine, I think the return in Ukraine and Moldova will be the same level when we talk about long-term girlfriends. In the period where I was visiting Ukraine did I also have long-term girlfriends, and I think the return was the same as in Moldova. In that period was I visiting different provincial cities in Ukraine (and shortly Kiev) , but in the end did I prefer Moldova. Ukraine did in that period also have it own scam problem.

I would again like to say that I am not employed by the Moldova tourist agency, so I have no intention to oversell Moldova. Moldova like every other country has its advantage and disadvantage, just as Ukraine.

In your report did you write this: "So even if you are not into P4P, the girls are fairly easy to meet and will sleep with you far sooner than the situation you describe in Moldova." I have hopefully not written that it will take many dates before a Moldovan girl will "sleep with you". In Moldova is the normally standard 1 to 4 dates, with 2 to 3 as the most normally, before the Moldovan girl choosing to "sleep with you". There can be some variation in the number of dates, but you shall be suspicious if the Moldovan women want to have more then 7 date. It is actually a common mistake made of relatively inexperienced male tourists who visited Moldova that they believe that it is normally in Moldova first to make sex after the wedding or after many years relationship, that is absolute not the case in Chisinau, Moldova. But it is a misunderstanding many Moldovan party girls and scam girls exploits and abuses gravely.

But I do not think I am telling a "bad" story. If we again say,"you" (and again it is just an unknown person we are thinking on) , and we say that "you" are a 40+ or 50+ or 60+ old man, single maybe divorce, with a lot of work, good job, good education and good life, living in USA, UK or Germany. But "you" will like to have an 18 to 29 years young girl as your long-term girlfriend. Then we both know that this will be difficult to achieve in a western country because of the age problems you describe in your last report to me. Then "they" read here (in ISG) that it is possible to get 18 to 29 year old long-term girlfriends in Moldova or Ukraine. Some of them will think that Moldova and Ukraine are located to far away, some will think good idea, but "I" go to Thailand – it is more easy in Thailand, some will not have the time and money to travel regular to Moldova or Ukraine. But in the rest will there be a group of men who have the will, the time and money and who will say this is a good idea. But many of them will never travel to Moldova or Ukraine because of the scam problem. But some will maybe think, ok, lets try.

That women in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova are very interested in western men show a little funny story Prosal have told, where he tell about how Russian women travel to France (se the quote).

Dexa

(Prosal. 04-17-12)

+1. Mamba is not all about pros or sponsorettes. I have met through mamba (and also LL when it was good, and a great "east meets west" site that I use now) many girls and women with good jobs and financially secure who came to visit me here in Paris. There is a whole generation of office professional dyevs (admittedly, mostly Russians, but not only, some Ukrainians and Belarussians also) that travel a lot, already have Shengen visas that they either acquired through work or got from previous holidays, and have enough money to pay for their travel costs. I have an average of two dyevs (long-term GFs and new contacts) visiting me each month, all year-round. Many come to Paris several times a year. They never have enough of what they consider as the most romantic city in the world.

[BrasilSoccer0]

So the fact that you can get non pro young girls is the main reason that Moldovan girls are special, this is the gist of your reports I know.

But do you think this is any less likely in Ukraine or South America?

In Eastern Europe, age is not such an important thing like in the USA, yes I am from there as well although I live in the UK.

Some girls have asked me my age in EE, but they act surprised when I tell them I am 35+, since most guess 25+. But never hold it against me.

I remember I met some American girls of Armenian origin once in London and they had graduated from the same university as I had, and they asked me what year I had graduated when I said the mid 90s, they did not want to talk to me anymore.

This is bizarre American behaviour and not typical of many regions.

Is Moldova special? Also when I mentioned Ukraine I did not mean Pay for Play, I think girls are a lot easier to meet in Ukraine than say Argentina for example.

So even if you are not into P4P, the girls are fairly easy to meet and will sleep with you far sooner than the situation you describe in Moldova.

I understand you have an unique and valuable insight into Moldova.

But the question still remains, why should someone devote all this effort into Moldova, when he can get much higher returns in Ukraine?

I do conceed that the Ukranian girls might end up costing a lot more in the long run.

Wow. Well, I am going to school now in the US where I'm from and funny thing is the girls are very friendly with me and flirtatious but once they find out I am 40. LOL just like you said ". They did not want to talk to me anymore" Been to Colombia several times since 2006, and never (except with grils from EL Poblado: ritziest neighborhood in Medellin) has my age been an issue.

DEXA:

But to be frankly honest, I think you can still post some proof of your 19 or 20yrs old Moldovan girls and still protect their identity by covering their eyes or faces! Have you thought about that?

And by the way, I don't like cold freezing winters so that's why I am arriving this summer and will be more than happy to buy you a "bear" as long as it is of reasonable price and legal to do. .

I, like other commentators don't think I need 2-3 trips to Moldova to bed a non-pro. I believe ESSI has proven that, unless I am missing something. To me that sounds too extrem. I am investing 5-6 wks in this visit so I hope that's enough.

Essi: Did you have to make 2-3 trips to Moldova before you had your first GFE or GF?

Gents, I am grateful for your insight, advice and generosity with info. If any of you want any assistance with Colombia or the island, I'll be more than happy to advice, assist and provide info on EVERYTHING from where is you can have a less than $2US for a full HEALTHY home cooked meal to where to stay for $15US / day clean and full service hotels or learn Spanish for a and meet locals who want to learn your language.

Oh, by the way I am starting to learn some Russian. I hope that will work in Moldova and just in case also in Ukraine.

[Delta Indigo]

Dear Delta Indigo,

What I think is special with Moldovan women, is the fact, that if you are willing to make a big work, with all what that include, is it actual possible for 40 to 69 year old western man to get a normally liberal 18 to 29 year young Moldovan women as his long-term girlfriend. I basically think this it is a very important fact with Moldovan women.

Dexa

So the fact that you can get non pro young girls is the main reason that Moldovan girls are special, this is the gist of your reports I know.

But do you think this is any less likely in Ukraine or South America?

In Eastern Europe, age is not such an important thing like in the USA, yes I am from there as well although I live in the UK.

Some girls have asked me my age in EE, but they act surprised when I tell them I am 35+, since most guess 25+. But never hold it against me.

I remember I met some American girls of Armenian origin once in London and they had graduated from the same university as I had, and they asked me what year I had graduated when I said the mid 90s, they did not want to talk to me anymore.

This is bizarre American behaviour and not typical of many regions.

Is Moldova special? Also when I mentioned Ukraine I did not mean Pay for Play, I think girls are a lot easier to meet in Ukraine than say Argentina for example.

So even if you are not into P4P, the girls are fairly easy to meet and will sleep with you far sooner than the situation you describe in Moldova.

I understand you have an unique and valuable insight into Moldova.

But the question still remains, why should someone devote all this effort into Moldova, when he can get much higher returns in Ukraine?

I do conceed that the Ukranian girls might end up costing a lot more in the long run.

[Dexa 960]

Hi,

The reason I choose this current place Kishinev is.

A. I have a business here.

B. The girls are very beautiful for my taste and I love their sexy body.

C. The girls love foreigners.

D. I have my own high class of life here.

Well answered,

Let me ask you one thing though, what is special about Moldovan women? What do you think sents them apart from your experiences with women elsewhere in Europe and anywhere else?

I have had experiences with many Romanian women, however I have to say it was P4P. My experiences were overwhelmingly good with Romanian women, however I think I have a special rapport with providers and I treat them with respect and courtesy and they usually return the favour with good service.

I do think Romanian women are unusually beautiful, but I think the same thing about Ukranians and Russians. I always thought Moldovan women could be very beautiful with Romanian features but blue East Slavic eyes, a good combination.

My best experience was with a Croatian girl I knew for a short time, she was not very good conversation material but an excellent lover.

Dear Delta Indigo,

Thanks for your reply.

In reality do you ask me why I choose Moldova, and reason is simply, that I many years ago did meet a group of long-term good friends in Moldova. So I, just like Essi, in basic have my own good life here in Chisinau. A life I plan to continue in many years, and even make stronger when I retire. Remember I am a 50+ man so I also need thinking about that. In this context has it also been important that Moldova is a cheap country to live in (compare to my home country). In the past have I also have had experiences with many Ukraine and Romanian women, and I both like Moldovan, Ukraine and Romanian women. My experiences with Ukraine and Romanian are today old and outdated. So you can say, Moldova is simply the country I know best (of EE and FSU countries). What I think is special with Moldovan women, is the fact, that if you are willing to make a big work, with all what that include, is it actual possible for 40 to 69 year old western man to get a normally liberal 18 to 29 year young Moldovan women as his long-term girlfriend. I basically think this it is a very important fact with Moldovan women.

Dexa

[Delta Indigo]

Dear Delta Indigo,

I am not employed by the Moldova tourist agency, so you are completely free to choose to visit Kiev. In fact, do I believe that Kiev is a much better P4P destination compared with Chisinau.

I have one total principle, I never put photo of people I have met including girlfriends on Internet. That is an absolute principle, because I want to protect privacy for me and my friends including girlfriends. Instead I am doing that I am willing to personally at meet with other men from ISG Moldova Forum in Moldova, when I myself are in Moldova. In the past 8 years have I met with 6 friends from ISG Moldova forum. All 6 meetings have been very nice and it has been very good to share experience about women in Moldova, and drink a good drink together. All 6 meeting was in Chisinau. So if you one day come to Chisinau while I'm in Chisinau, are you more then welcome to drink a bear together with me.

If I shall be honest do I think I have done good, having a 19 year old long-term girlfriend, while I am a 50+ man.

When we talk about long-term girlfriends or wife do I actually honestly not think that what I am proposing is an "unreasonable" amount of work. But it is clear that if we talk about P4P would it be too much work. In basic do I think that Moldova demand to much work when we talk about P4P.

Dexa

Well answered,

Let me ask you one thing though, what is special about Moldovan women? What do you think sents them apart from your experiences with women elsewhere in Europe and anywhere else?

I have had experiences with many Romanian women, however I have to say it was P4P. My experiences were overwhelmingly good with Romanian women, however I think I have a special rapport with providers and I treat them with respect and courtesy and they usually return the favour with good service.

I do think Romanian women are unusually beautiful, but I think the same thing about Ukranians and Russians. I always thought Moldovan women could be very beautiful with Romanian features but blue East Slavic eyes, a good combination.

My best experience was with a Croatian girl I knew for a short time, she was not very good conversation material but an excellent lover.

[Dexa 960]

I think if you have a lot of charisma, you can do well with women anywhere, but needless to say that the rules of the game are different everywhere. A lot of people posting in ISG, with many notable exceptions, do not seem like the most charismatic.

I do have a hard time believing that you have to put this much effort into the game like Dexa suggests. And going to Moldova is problematic even from London, because it involves stops and so on. Not good for repitive weekend trips like Riga and Bratislava.

However I do suggest one way for us to evaluate what Dexa has said. Dexa, you have to provide evidence, photographic, or otherwise (I know you are not fond of this) of how attractive your 19 year old girlfriend is? Is she is an absolute stunner, I certainly will take you more seriously.

However if you have invested so much effort in getting an average or not so attractive 19 year old, then what are these long reports really worth?

So provide evidence!

Otherwise it seems like going to Kiev is far more worthwhile, with the effort that Dexa 960 suggests you put in, you could marry Miss Ukraine by now.

Dear Delta Indigo,

I am not employed by the Moldova tourist agency, so you are completely free to choose to visit Kiev. In fact, do I believe that Kiev is a much better P4P destination compared with Chisinau.

I have one total principle, I never put photo of people I have met including girlfriends on Internet. That is an absolute principle, because I want to protect privacy for me and my friends including girlfriends. Instead I am doing that I am willing to personally at meet with other men from ISG Moldova Forum in Moldova, when I myself are in Moldova. In the past 8 years have I met with 6 friends from ISG Moldova forum. All 6 meetings have been very nice and it has been very good to share experience about women in Moldova, and drink a good drink together. All 6 meeting was in Chisinau. So if you one day come to Chisinau while I'm in Chisinau, are you more then welcome to drink a bear together with me.

If I shall be honest do I think I have done good, having a 19 year old long-term girlfriend, while I am a 50+ man.

When we talk about long-term girlfriends or wife do I actually honestly not think that what I am proposing is an "unreasonable" amount of work. But it is clear that if we talk about P4P would it be too much work. In basic do I think that Moldova demand to much work when we talk about P4P.

Dexa

[Delta Indigo]

Dear Kim,

I did say that it would be best with 2 years, but as I write to BrasilSoccer0 can 3 holydays (1 year) maybe do it. So I am talking about 1 year maybe 2 years. As I did write to BrasilSoccer0 are there 2 reasons for this advice. First, that there in Moldova are many party girls, scam girls gold-digger girls and "green cards girls" and that the "first time" male tourists run the risk to be easy victim of "work" made of party girls, scam girls, gold-digger girls and "green cards girls". As I did said to BrasilSoccer0 if you have visited Moldova 2 times, before you begin to made "action with" Moldovan women and finding a long-term Moldovan girlfriend will you quite simply have a larger experience base to find out if a Moldovan woman is a party girl, scam girl, gold-digger girl or "green cards girl". And as I also did say to BrasilSoccer0 have I in the last 10 years when I have been visiting Moldova both heard about and met "first time" male tourists who had been easy victim of party girls, scam girls and gold-digger girls and there "work". So especially the nice inexperienced "first time" male tourist who arrive to Chisinau need to be a little carefully, as I said before have I both personally met or heard about male tourist who become victim of party girl, scam girl, gold-digger girl or "green cards girl" and there "work". Common for the male victims was that they were all relatively inexperienced male tourists who visited Moldova.

The second reason to my advise was, as I write to BrasilSoccer0, that there in Chisinau are a general skepticism about the male "first time" tourist who arrive to Chisinau, where many Moldovan women simply think they are sex-tourist who never come back to Moldova. Western male tourists simply have a mix reputation. So if you are looking after a long-term girlfriend or wife, would the best simply be to wait with serious looking after this girl until holyday number 3. When Moldovan girls have seen that you regular are visiting Moldova will much more Moldovan women be interested in you, and you will as a 40 to 69 years old western male tourist have more easy finding a good 18 to 29 year young Moldovan women. Basically, are we talking about the simply rules of supply and demand. If you wait until holyday number 3 will there be a bigger supply.

If I remember correct were you planning a little different situation, because you are planning to start business in Moldova in one year's time, and as we did talk about before, it is good to be businessman in Moldova when we talk about women in Moldova. I guess you also have a lot of experienced from Thailand, so you not will be a easy victim for the "work" made of party girls, scam girls, gold-digger girls and "green cards girls". So I can not see why you not should make a try and go at disco and dance and score a woman in one of Chisinau disco when you begin to work as a businessman in Moldova. But I will also like to say it is not that easy to get a woman at disco. Personally do I much better like chat on Internet. I do very much agree with Essi when he writes this:

(Essi. 04-11-12)

Dexa

I think if you have a lot of charisma, you can do well with women anywhere, but needless to say that the rules of the game are different everywhere. A lot of people posting in ISG, with many notable exceptions, do not seem like the most charismatic.

I do have a hard time believing that you have to put this much effort into the game like Dexa suggests. And going to Moldova is problematic even from London, because it involves stops and so on. Not good for repitive weekend trips like Riga and Bratislava.

However I do suggest one way for us to evaluate what Dexa has said. Dexa, you have to provide evidence, photographic, or otherwise (I know you are not fond of this) of how attractive your 19 year old girlfriend is? Is she is an absolute stunner, I certainly will take you more seriously.

However if you have invested so much effort in getting an average or not so attractive 19 year old, then what are these long reports really worth?

So provide evidence!

Otherwise it seems like going to Kiev is far more worthwhile, with the effort that Dexa 960 suggests you put in, you could marry Miss Ukraine by now.

[Dexa 960]

Dear Dexa 960,

With all my respect to you, your informations and your experiences, I don't quite understand how it can be true, that you have to build a reputation in 2 years before you can laid a woman in Moldova. I can understand, that Moldova is very much "an insider country", but Moldova can not be "an insider country" in that extend, that anybody in Chisinau knows everybody, and everybody in Chisinau know anybody. After all, Chisinau has a population of approximately 800. 000 people.

Sorry my question: Aren't you exaggerating when you say it requires 2 years to build reputation? Should everybody be so cautious as you, for getting an affair with a Moldovian woman? Can't I go to a disco and dance and score a woman in Chisinau? (If I can dance quite well, and if I offer some drinks to the woman and if I can entertain the woman, isn't it possible then, even it is my first time to be in Chisinau?)

I'm just asking, and please notice that my question is not an aggression against you.

Best regards,

Kim

Dear Kim,

I did say that it would be best with 2 years, but as I write to BrasilSoccer0 can 3 holydays (1 year) maybe do it. So I am talking about 1 year maybe 2 years. As I did write to BrasilSoccer0 are there 2 reasons for this advice. First, that there in Moldova are many party girls, scam girls gold-digger girls and "green cards girls" and that the "first time" male tourists run the risk to be easy victim of "work" made of party girls, scam girls, gold-digger girls and "green cards girls". As I did said to BrasilSoccer0 if you have visited Moldova 2 times, before you begin to made "action with" Moldovan women and finding a long-term Moldovan girlfriend will you quite simply have a larger experience base to find out if a Moldovan woman is a party girl, scam girl, gold-digger girl or "green cards girl". And as I also did say to BrasilSoccer0 have I in the last 10 years when I have been visiting Moldova both heard about and met "first time" male tourists who had been easy victim of party girls, scam girls and gold-digger girls and there "work". So especially the nice inexperienced "first time" male tourist who arrive to Chisinau need to be a little carefully, as I said before have I both personally met or heard about male tourist who become victim of party girl, scam girl, gold-digger girl or "green cards girl" and there "work". Common for the male victims was that they were all relatively inexperienced male tourists who visited Moldova.

The second reason to my advise was, as I write to BrasilSoccer0, that there in Chisinau are a general skepticism about the male "first time" tourist who arrive to Chisinau, where many Moldovan women simply think they are sex-tourist who never come back to Moldova. Western male tourists simply have a mix reputation. So if you are looking after a long-term girlfriend or wife, would the best simply be to wait with serious looking after this girl until holyday number 3. When Moldovan girls have seen that you regular are visiting Moldova will much more Moldovan women be interested in you, and you will as a 40 to 69 years old western male tourist have more easy finding a good 18 to 29 year young Moldovan women. Basically, are we talking about the simply rules of supply and demand. If you wait until holyday number 3 will there be a bigger supply.

If I remember correct were you planning a little different situation, because you are planning to start business in Moldova in one year's time, and as we did talk about before, it is good to be businessman in Moldova when we talk about women in Moldova. I guess you also have a lot of experienced from Thailand, so you not will be a easy victim for the "work" made of party girls, scam girls, gold-digger girls and "green cards girls". So I can not see why you not should make a try and go at disco and dance and score a woman in one of Chisinau disco when you begin to work as a businessman in Moldova. But I will also like to say it is not that easy to get a woman at disco. Personally do I much better like chat on Internet. I do very much agree with Essi when he writes this:

(Essi. 04-11-12)

What I want to explain to you that eastern girls are more free and easy to pick up for one night stand from a western girls.

As you can see dexa have a 19 years old girlfriend and he is not a young guy as he describe here before.

Yes you do need to do some homework before arriving to Kishinev, Odessa, Kiev, nikolaev or any other eastern Europe destinations.

I hope I help you.

Essi

Dexa

[Dexa 960]

That is BS. Cindy Lauper said it best,"Girls just want to have fun", and moldovian girls don't derogate to this general rule. If you click all the boxes (witt, charm, empathy, humour, refined dressing style, cultural awareness, ect) , you'll find in Chisinau more women willing for a hot and fun adventure than you can juggle with.

Prosal, may I ask who is writing BS? Is it a new attack on me?