Rio de Janeiro - Crime & Safety

[Brazil Specialist]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40377979...news-americas/

[Torgoch]

This is not good, all my faveladinhas/safadinhas will not be able to get to work tonight. T 502 will probably only have half the staff on!

T502 was extremely quiet last night.. maybe 10-15 girls, 10 guys .. the girls were almost begging...

[Bubba Boy]

Polícia Militar, Polícia Pacificadora, Polícia Federal, BOPE, Marinha and even 800 soldiers from the Exército. Against Comando Vermelho and os Amigos dos Amigos who joined together against the police.

The situation looks very bad. Hopefully the police will manage invading the favelas and occupy them, taking full control, getting rid of all the bandits and build permanent police posts. It worked quite well in the favelas in Zona Sul.
However it will be a very hard work. Complexo do Alemão is huge, with a population of 300'000.

http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/info/ataques-no-rio/

People all over Rio are scared of going out on the streets.

This is not good, all my faveladinhas/safadinhas will not be able to get to work tonight. T 502 will probably only have half the staff on!

[Sperto]

Less tourism expected at New Year in Rio, at least less national tourism.

http://www.jb.com.br/rio/noticias/20...te-fim-de-ano/

[Sperto]

Polícia Militar, Polícia Pacificadora, Polícia Federal, BOPE, Marinha and even 800 soldiers from the Exército. Against Comando Vermelho and os Amigos dos Amigos who joined together against the police.

The situation looks very bad. Hopefully the police will manage invading the favelas and occupy them, taking full control, getting rid of all the bandits and build permanent police posts. It worked quite well in the favelas in Zona Sul.
However it will be a very hard work. Complexo do Alemão is huge, with a population of 300'000.

http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/info/ataques-no-rio/

People all over Rio are scared of going out on the streets.

[Sperto]

What is the problem, just surround a favela by favela with armed forces, give anyone 2 hours to get out and then just kill everyone that stays. End of the story... Anyway, there is no innocent in any favela.

Everyone living in the favelas are criminals?
Not surprising to hear such a bullsh*t comment from Perkele, who is suffering from favela paranoia.
You should have a forum thread "Discrimination against brazilians".

[Golfinho]

My opinion is that the criminals simply have a tad too much human rights here. What is the problem, just surround a favela by favela with armed forces, give anyone 2 hours to get out and then just kill everyone that stays. End of the story.

This is like cancer, its necessary to remove good living tissue in order to get rid of the cancer. Same here. Anyway, there is no innocent in any favela.

YES! Liquidate zee ghetto!

[Perkele]

Television coverage shows the trafficant force to be in fairly large numbers. Although the cameras capture them running from police rifle fire, not many of them are getting hit. Maybe if the police would employ Raptor drones they could wipe out larger numbers of these terrorist dirt bags. The current strategy is just driving them underground to return and cause mayhem another day. Although the terrorism is being waged throughout Rio de Janeiro, most of the bandits are in the Penha and Alemao favelas and hide among the populations of 20,000 people who live there.

Army troops may not be such a good idea. The trafficants are at war with the police militar, and the Pacification Police, not the Brasilian army. Army forces would be a temporary band-aid and would go away when the situation calms down. The problem would only be put back in the laps of the local authorities when Army forces are pulled out. The Rio police militar need to get control of the situation now, not later.

Actually different criminal factions have joined together because of current mayor's attempt of taking favela's under police control.

There is a rumor that on Saturday different criminal factions will attack any commuter in Linha Vermelha and Via Dutra.

My opinion is that the criminals simply have a tad too much human rights here. What is the problem, just surround a favela by favela with armed forces, give anyone 2 hours to get out and then just kill everyone that stays. End of the story.
This is like cancer, its necessary to remove good living tissue in order to get rid of the cancer. Same here. Anyway, there is no innocent in any favela.

[Golfinho]

Maybe if the police would employ Raptor drones they could wipe out larger numbers of these terrorist dirt bags. The current strategy is just driving them underground to return and cause mayhem another day.

They've got to capture a few and insert micro chips into their brains, and then release them back into the favelas.

[Poucolouco]

The favela wars seems to get even worse today. It's a shame they can't use the army to take the control of the favelas. At least they can use the Marinha's armoured vehicles and drivers.

I feel sorry for the innocent people getting hurt.

Television coverage shows the trafficant force to be in fairly large numbers. Although the cameras capture them running from police rifle fire, not many of them are getting hit. Maybe if the police would employ Raptor drones they could wipe out larger numbers of these terrorist dirt bags. The current strategy is just driving them underground to return and cause mayhem another day. Although the terrorism is being waged throughout Rio de Janeiro, most of the bandits are in the Penha and Alemao favelas and hide among the populations of 20,000 people who live there.

Army troops may not be such a good idea. The trafficants are at war with the police militar, and the Pacification Police, not the Brasilian army. Army forces would be a temporary band-aid and would go away when the situation calms down. The problem would only be put back in the laps of the local authorities when Army forces are pulled out. The Rio police militar need to get control of the situation now, not later.

[Sperto]

The favela wars seems to get even worse today. It's a shame they can't use the army to take the control of the favelas. At least they can use the Marinha's armoured vehicles and drivers.

I feel sorry for the innocent people getting hurt.

[Dwilso39]

The comment about most residents earning less than R1000/month is interesting. So from the perspective of the local criminals, robbing a monger is worth 3 days pay, minimum. And that's if you're going into the cheap places like BA85.

It also illustrates how overpriced the higher end termas are, charging mongers a faveledo's monthly pay for just 3-4 hours of sex. If I go to one of those high end places again, and they smile, I'd know that they are having a laugh on me.

I've been trying to make this point for a while now: 200r for a hour is wildly expensive compared to the realitve income of the people.

If most people live on say 800r per month, then you are pay the equivilent of one weeks pay of two hours.

Try doing the reverse calculation: in America approx. $3,065, would you pay a girl $766.00 for one hour?

On craigs list, the average price is about $200/hr; which is about 6.5%. Then why not stick to this % in Brasil? This would be about 50r/hr. You can make is 100r if you really feel generous!

[Member #3439]

For those that like to keep up with such things, a fairly non-partisan article in today's Economist newspaper on Rio favelas and the state of play over several years, with particular reference to the build up for the Olympics. Much omitted, but still a decent overview.

http://www.economist.com/node/16326428

The comment about most residents earning less than R1000/month is interesting. So from the perspective of the local criminals, robbing a monger is worth 3 days pay, minimum. And that's if you're going into the cheap places like BA85.

It also illustrates how overpriced the higher end termas are, charging mongers a faveledo's monthly pay for just 3-4 hours of sex. If I go to one of those high end places again, and they smile, I'd know that they are having a laugh on me.

[Jan 156]

For those that like to keep up with such things, a fairly non-partisan article in today's Economist newspaper on Rio favelas and the state of play over several years, with particular reference to the build up for the Olympics. Much omitted, but still a decent overview.

http://www.economist.com/node/16326428

[Prosal]

Is is getting that bad down there ?http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmvcnAs2To...razil_carnival

Frankly I see nothing wrong with cracking down on people pissing in the streets. In Salvador during Carnaval you're literally retched on [CodeWord140] odors. Disgusting.

Anyhow Rio's carnaval is drunken chaos. Dozens thousands favelados and periferiados invade Zona Sul to get badly drunk and party "burro style". The worst moment to be in town.

Many wealthy Cariocas literally RUN AWAY from Rio during Carnaval.