Rio de Janeiro - Crime & Safety

[UniversalX]

Oglobo reporting there was an 81% increase between Jan and May 2019 of pedestrian robberies in the Copa area, compared to the same period last year. Oglobo Photog caught one of these robberies on film. Little bastard got away, unfortunately. The victim was a Brazilian tourist, BTW. He's a big dude, didn't matter to the little fuker.

https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/confira...abana-23813585

https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/copacab...-2019-23813469

Shit happens, try to limit items taken by having cheap items like wireless headphones if anything at all and hide phone or music player inside clothing.

[Sperto]

Foreign tourist killed during mugging in Ipanema.

https://meiahora.ig.com.br/geral/201...e-ipanema.html

[BarryManila]

Oglobo reporting there was an 81% increase between Jan and May 2019 of pedestrian robberies in the Copa area, compared to the same period last year. Oglobo Photog caught one of these robberies on film. Little bastard got away, unfortunately. The victim was a Brazilian tourist, BTW. He's a big dude, didn't matter to the little fuker.

Exactly the same happened to me several years ago. I just walked at Avenida Atlantica / Copacabana and suddenly a 16-year-old boy (barefoot) in a green shirt came running from behind, grabbed my golden necklace and ran away. Since then I will never wear again jewelry or a watch in the streets of Rio. Just some money for a drink or a sandwich in my shoes. Anyway, the police caught him later because of his bright green shirt. He was still in the area.

[Java Man]

Oglobo reporting there was an 81% increase between Jan and May 2019 of pedestrian robberies in the Copa area, compared to the same period last year. Oglobo Photog caught one of these robberies on film. Little bastard got away, unfortunately. The victim was a Brazilian tourist, BTW. He's a big dude, didn't matter to the little fuker.

https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/confira...abana-23813585

https://oglobo.globo.com/rio/copacab...-2019-23813469

[Sperto]

Brazil Crime.

There is already a thread "Rio de Janeiro. Crime & Safety".

[Exec Talent]

From the Rio Report Thread:

- Rio de Janeiro gives a vibe of being much sketchier than Sao Paulo. I didn't get mugged or robbed, nothing got stolen. But it just feels sketchier. However, in general it's safe as long as you don't go into bad neighborhoods or empty streets. I was either in the city center (Carioca, Cinelandia, etc) or Copacobana / Ipanema (the beaches) - the areas I was in were usually somewhat crowded, so I was fine. But I have a feeling that if I saw a group of idle-looking kids on an empty street, I'd be tempted to just run away, possibly leaving my flip flops behind. Maybe it's just me being paranoid.

After about 80 visits to Rio, some extending for months, I think I could be called a veteran. I wear Havaianas in the apartment in Rio, but never on the street. No matter how comfortable you feel in them, there is no way you are going to outrun or out maneuver a favela rat wearing flip flops. I have and always will only wear tennis shoes on the streets of Rio. No flip flops. No sandals.

[Java Man]

For a country that does Not have a Life sentence, (maximum is 30 years,) and No Death Penalty Law, Rio's Governor-elect Wilson Witzel, has given his security forces a License to Kill. "As many as 120 sharpshooters will accompany police incursions into the slums of Brazil. "The protocol will be to immediately neutralize, slaughter anyone who has a rifle. ".

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rio-de-janeiro

[Sperto]

Regarding the list with dangerous brazilian cities, not surprisingly to find many cities from the north and northeast of Brazil. What's interesting are the causes of death, gang wars, prison riots etc. Many of these brazilian cities are very violent for sure, but not really that dangerous if you go there as a tourist and stay in the tourist parts of the city.

I'm not surprised that Natal is that high on the list. When I went there this year there were a lot of violence going on in the city. Prison riots, bandits burning buses and the army keeping order in the city. Fortaleza is definitely a city where there are a lof violence and death. Mostly parts of the city far away from Iracema and Beira-Mar.

[Exec Talent]

On one list, it has Fortaleza and Natal as Most Dangerous Brazilian Cities (murder rate, per 100,000) and another Maraba, Caruaru and Viamo. 16 Brazilian cities top the list out of 50. Like WTF?? Like really Natal? (Lists do not include cites where there is war) Website: http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/m...the-world.html.

The Economist puts Brazil as the murder capital of the world and Maraba, Caruaru and Viamo, topping their list as Brazilians top cities. Website: http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph...daily-chart-23.

". The middle of the list is dominated by Brazil: the world′s second-biggest cocaine consumer is home to half of all cities in the ranking. That mostly reflects its large population. During the past. Year, violence has reshuffled from place to place within Brazil: the murder rate has fallen in the largest cities, but increased in smaller ones. In Maraba and Viamo, homicides rose by 20% in a year, whereas in So Paulo, Brazil's most populous city, murders fell by 55% from 2014 to 2015. Unlike in Mexico and Central America, there is evidence of a slight overall improvement: the national homicide rate fell from 29 per 100,000 in 2014 to 27 in 2015, the latest year for which data are available. Nonetheless, by sheer virtue of its size, Brazil reigns as the world′s overall murder capital: 56,212 people were killed there in 2015. ".

Do YOU now feel safer about Rio?

BTW, has anyone experienced any extra violence in Fortaleza or Natal recently?

Wouldn't trust these statistics too much.

In the US, law enforcement loves to calls murders suicides so they do not have to investigate and they do not have to report a rise in crime. I personally know of several instances.

Orlando had a mass shooting of 49 at a nightclub. Murders seem to take place there every week. Do you think that is going to get much press?

[Spidy]

On one list, it has Fortaleza and Natal as Most Dangerous Brazilian Cities (murder rate, per 100,000) and another Maraba, Caruaru and Viamão. 16 Brazilian cities top the list out of 50. Like WTF?? Like really Natal? (Lists do not include cites where there is war) Website: http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/m...the-world.html.

The Economist puts Brazil as the murder capital of the world and Maraba, Caruaru and Viamão, topping their list as Brazilians top cities. Website: http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph...daily-chart-23.

". The middle of the list is dominated by Brazil: the world′s second-biggest cocaine consumer is home to half of all cities in the ranking. That mostly reflects its large population. During the past. Year, violence has reshuffled from place to place within Brazil: the murder rate has fallen in the largest cities, but increased in smaller ones. In Maraba and Viamão, homicides rose by 20% in a year, whereas in São Paulo, Brazil's most populous city, murders fell by 55% from 2014 to 2015. Unlike in Mexico and Central America, there is evidence of a slight overall improvement: the national homicide rate fell from 29 per 100,000 in 2014 to 27 in 2015, the latest year for which data are available. Nonetheless, by sheer virtue of its size, Brazil reigns as the world′s overall murder capital: 56,212 people were killed there in 2015. ".

Do YOU now feel safer about Rio?

BTW, has anyone experienced any extra violence in Fortaleza or Natal recently?

[Exec Talent]

I know that all the papers are telling about crimerates in Rio are increasing, but still they have been telling this for ages. No doubt that you need to use common sense to avoid getting robbed in Rio, but IMO I find Rio much safer today than it used to be.

In the early nineties there were much more muggings in Copacabana (specially around Help), more arrastes on the beaches, shootings every night in Cantagalo, PM and the army going up in Pavo in Ipanema with tanks and attack helicopters, a wave of bank robberies in Zona Sul (the robbers just driving their cars through the windows) and an average murderrate of 27 people/each day in Rio

Quoting Sergeant Esterhaus: "Let's Be Careful Out There" .

Your historical view on Crime in Rio certainly puts things into perspective. Now, I think it is just a lot of petty, have to be on your guard stuff. I remember the Brazilian woman screaming as the thief ran off with her purse (and passed right by me before I realized what had happened) that she had lost everything. It is such a pain to have to deal with that especially if you are a short-term tourist in another country (been there, done that, have the notation in my passport that it had been stolen to prove it). That is the kind of crime that I think is on the rise in Rio. The economy sucks and people need to eat. Add to that the government's attempts to disrupt the drug trade and you got to ask, how is a favela rat to get by? Before, the drug lords kept them in line. Today, they find someone to rob.

[Sperto]

I know that all the papers are telling about crimerates in Rio are increasing, but still they have been telling this for ages. No doubt that you need to use common sense to avoid getting robbed in Rio, but IMO I find Rio much safer today than it used to be.

In the early nineties there were much more muggings in Copacabana (specially around Help), more arrastões on the beaches, shootings every night in Cantagalo, PM and the army going up in Pavão in Ipanema with tanks and attack helicopters, a wave of bank robberies in Zona Sul (the robbers just driving their cars through the windows) and an average murderrate of 27 people/each day in Rio

Quoting Sergeant Esterhaus: "Let's Be Careful Out There" .

[Exec Talent]

If you are walking Copacabana beach you will notice that the locals are on both ends, but not in the middle. There is a reason. The sewage is in the middle. The standing paddle business chose the Fort Copacabana end for a reason. I have done the paddle boats on the Rodrigo de Freitas Lagoa and it was not too bad. Recreio dos Bandeirantes has one of the best beaches for surfing. If you get a chance, make a trip to Paraty and take one of the boat trips out into the Baia Carioca. There the water is crystal clear.

[Larry David]

I'm in Sao Paulo, and today I went with a girl from Rio. She speaks good English. She said sadly, it is true that crime is getting worse in Rio. I'm still going next week to get Rio off my bucket list. But I'll be extra careful and not have much worth stealing. Since I'm alone, I'm not going to be going in the water either.

The fecal viruses and bacteria should be enough to keep you out of the water in Rio. Think you need to go as far as Barra de tijuca before the water is clean enough. But beware the current there.

[Gagoo]

The problem is that there now is crime everywhere. In Botafogo, I was going to the main supermarket at 11:00 AM and a Brazilian woman had her purse snatched right out front. Gangs on motorcycles and bicycles canvas neighborhoods for people on cellphones and then call or text their accomplices on the street telling them where their next victim is located.

A lot of the government corruption had a trickledown effect. If you are not getting your extra 5000 reais a month in payoffs something has to give, like the maid, cook or eating out every night.

I'm in Sao Paulo, and today I went with a girl from Rio. She speaks good English. She said sadly, it is true that crime is getting worse in Rio. I'm still going next week to get Rio off my bucket list. But I'll be extra careful and not have much worth stealing. Since I'm alone, I'm not going to be going in the water either.