Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[Vaquero]

Well, I wouldn't say we're preaching hate at the Filipinas. I'm just responding from my own consistent experiences. I'd just want a fellow brother to proceed cautiously.

The pros of Filipinas: They do seem quite affectionate, and the ones I've dated have been as good in the kitchen as they were in bed.

The cons: Well, sometimes, they ARE cons, and shameless ones at that. Of course, Dominican, American... well, just about all women have that rep. But I think Filipinas can take that sh!t to a new level.

[Dragon Slayer]

GoddEnough,

I enjoyed our chat this morning. You know Pal my last trip was a real "eye opener" for me. I wanted to relate some of this on the Board as I was surprised after over sixty (60) trips to the Philippines over the past 14 years at what Filipinas are capable of when outraged. It always turns up that some rookie wants to "reign me in".

I need to just keep silent and allow these guys to fuck up at will. I told you about the "peachtree georgia pussy" and the "mason city $5,000 fool" (put $ 5000 in a bank account for a girl shortly after meeting her. She immediately cleaned out the money as fast as the ATM allowed and disappeared).

You know yourself GE that I am not the "fuck & run" type. I tend to keep in touch and nurture relationships. You have met at least 5 of these ladies and spoken to at least 5 more on the telephone or net. My Posts on this Board this past week were partly to air my feelings and also to inform the Guys as to what can happen. No need for them to experience what the used car salesman from Peachtree, Georgia or the idiot from Iowa went through here.

Obviously I prefer Asian women, including filipinas over American women. No contest. But the undertones and cunning of asian women are something western men are not accustomed to or perpared to deal with. Hell, after all these years I even got taken for a long, expensive ride.

Talk to you GE and hope we meet soon somewhere in the world. Pal I am very happy to know you are doing fine. Stay safe.

Dragon Slayer

[Pure Logic]

GoodEnough posted some time ago that he is perplexed by the fact that many guys send money to a girl they have never met, rather than using it to fly over and meet the girl. He mentioned a woman who pursued relationships with several such men simultaneously, and never expected any of them to show up. I imagine it is probably true that they won’t show up because she is likely to say so based on past experience.

Furthermore, GoodEnough mentioned he knows several such girls, so this is not an isolated case. He suggested that anyone should be able to get laid without paying much in the Philippines. This last point makes me wonder how knowledgeable the average person who seeks relationships with Filipinas is on the type of information contained in this forum. Information on prostitution and traveling for sex is poorly advertised, so ignorance could be fairly widespread.

Of those interested in Filipinas, I wonder what percentage are primarily interested in marriage and what percentage are interested primarily in short-term sex. By asking the question in this way, I may be introducing a false assumption. It could be that the vast majority are only looking for a virtual experience. The most common medium of communication would probably be internet chat.

In the world of internet chat, those who communicate quickly, tactfully, frequently, and promiscuously have a very strong competitive advantage. A few can and will dominate the market, and pick and choose from what’s available. I have a friend who was routinely able to go into an American sex chatroom where the male to female ratio is on the order of 20 to 1, get the attention of the few females, and get one of them to agree to meet for sex. The best friend of my ex-wife was a 39 year old fat ugly American Filipina who posed as a beautiful young 20 year old and had her online boyfriends send her money. In some cases they flew across the country to meet her in person, at which point they’d either be so disgusted by the deception that they’d end the relationship right away, or they’d go ahead and have sex with her anyway.

In the early days of the internet, men outnumbered women by a huge margin. Dating sites such as match.com had 5 times as many men as women in the developed countries, while today it is about 2 times as many. Since the men who seek relationships with women online outnumber the women who seek relationships with men, it seems to give women an advantage.

Given the chaotic nature of internet chat, and the time investment it takes to establish and maintain online relationships, the use of monetary incentive seems like an understandable investment. A substantial fraction of the recipients are probably honest and faithful.

What is much more puzzling to me is the amount of money that’s spent on pornography. It always seemed to me that men would be too proud to pay money to someone for the privilege of watching them have sex. It is like someone saying to you “I get to have all the fun. You watch and pay me for it.” Besides, the internet drastically reduces the cost of reproduction for pornographic material, and there shouldn’t be any need for anything “new” given how much is already out there. (Americans spend over $1 billion a year on internet pornography.)

My hypothesis is that the root of the problem has to do with society’s illogical attitude towards sex. In particular, the idea that girls are sluts or are easy when they have sex with too many guys is outdated in an age of effective contraception. A major consequence of this, however, is that men will spend too much time and money courting women or trying to get sex.

Likewise, in a capitalistic society that generally encourages the pursuit of pleasure as well as the fulfillment of basic human needs, prostitution should be one of the most respectable professions.

I’ve seen many posts suggesting that bar or club girls are undesirable when it comes to marriage. Having never entered a bar or club in the Philippines, I have no strong opinion on this, but it is odd that this wisdom seems to be accepted as self-evident, and requiring no argument beyond the catch phrase “you can’t take the club out of the girl”. I have been married twice before, and both girls had never had a boyfriend before me. From my perspective, it is not obvious why one should not marry a club girl.

[Columpuss]

GoodEnough,

Thanks!

Fellow mongers

Execuse me for being a smart ass there, just want to make my point. Personally, I met many Filipinas on my travels, both bar and regulars and became pen pals. Never once any of them asked for anything but just the acknowledgement that life is tough everywhere especially in third world countries. I only encourage them to hang on and they do the same to me. Sometimes I even became a little selfish and whine too much about my own problems and forgot that theirs are much worse.

I guess it's all about how you approach a girl. If you keep talking about your six figure income and your 5 bedroom mansion in "heaven" then she will respond differently. For me, I'm just another human being escaping the harshness of reality, yes even in the US of A, which many of them think that money grows on tree. They often don't think that we slave ourselves to save for a vacation. You'll be surprised how they will react if you tell them the truth. I met many good and decent girls that way.

[GoodEnough]

Columpuss:

Amen to all that. Let's accept the situation for what it is, decide to take advantage of the positive aspects of the Philippines, limit our expectations to what's real, and have a good time. The fact is, that the Dragon Slayer has more individual experience here than the collective experience of most members. We can all learn from his recent travails, and use the knowledge gained to make sure that the same thing does not happen to us.
GE

[Columpuss]

Those who don't have the stomach to withstand what I'm about to suggest, please turn away!

With all this complains about Filipinas, I have a great idea. Let's forget them, and turn our attentions to, are you ready guys ? "American women" How about it guys? The sweet, submissive, gentle, loving, non-materialistic, thin, soft spoken, all American girls or "western girls". They don't want visa. They just want to love you. ha?

It's ok, run to the bathroom and let it all out. Do the comparison guys, which would you rather have?

Can we get back to normal discussion without the hates.

Thank you

[Dragon Slayer]

Pals,

The last trip is still too recent for me to Post completely. I can report on the "inside accounts" I have obtained from some of my "former ladies' in the Phils.

Mikster, are you listening? Merly is getting tutored by "One Of the Best" at Lies & Deception. Maribelle, her Big Sister. I learned after the "Infamous Dinner Meeting" she and my daughter's mother held in Cebu last august that Maribelle was "working me like a NYC construction project". She used the I am poor and helpless routine on me to extract tons of money over the past 4 1/2 years. Her timing is a bit off as her birthday and her daughter's are soon and I was always good for a lot then.

She bragged to baby slayer's mom how she goes "fishing" in the Malls on her days off searching for foreign men. She then jumped up and yelled out to a foreigner who walked in to show "how easy" it is. Miss Martinez then went on to relate how she gets "pocket cash" from these men she picks up. Know the word schmuck? Slayer here feels like a big, giant one.

This poor girl from Camotes then tells how she no longer needs the Slayer as she has a new benefactor (sucker) from the good old USofA who just deposited $ 500 into a savings account for her. SHe had asked me for $100 extra while dining with GE and myself in Cebu. Asked me privately for P90,000 as a "loan" to work overseas. I declined both requests. I am stupid but not that stupid.

What amazed me is how baby slayer's mom, whom I have been with for 11 years, laughed and joked about sex with me and got into a long discussion with martinez about how often I liked to fuck. Martinez said she would often get tired as I fucked too much. I mean this is the Mother of my Child talking with this fucking hustler about sex with me.

Enough for now. Sick to my stomach and in dire need of a few Sapporo beers now. Post more later when I rid my stomach of the foulness of this.

Anyone wanting Maribelle's nude phots/blowjob shots, etc feel free to PM me. She did not mind me taking them so I am certain she would want ALL to see them. Good for her "side business"

Dragon Slayer

[GoodEnough]

Malboy:

Are they any more opportunistic than we are? Seems to me that each of us wants what the other has. They want to get out of here to have a better life. They want and need money. We want the pleasure of being with a younger, attractive woman, and we want sex and we want the illusion that we're still attractive to women half our age. They're great liars? Sure. And so of course are we. What's the problem and what's the surprise?

It's easy I guess for us (and me included for sure) to get self righteous; to complain and moan about the perfidy of the Filipina. But let's be careful to temper that feeling with a dose of reality. We look for multiple partners, for whatever reason. They look for multiple partners in the hope that one of them will come through with a solid relationship and a visa. Who knows? Maybe they have their own board somewhere on which they complain and moan about us and our collective propensity for lack of commitment, seriousness, or whatever.

I just discussed this post with my girlfriend. She agrees that this is a reasonably accurate point of view. Let's just admit that this is a case of perpetual, and mutual misunderstanding.

GE

[Vaquero]

Yo, Migrant,

Let me get this right. She's past 40, has a few kids, is new to the country and asking about a ring fairly soon into relationship?

This shit ain't the Brady Bunch, brother. Run like the wind!

Now here's the funny part. The kids may not necessarily be hers.

I casually dated a Filipina in California who had like four or five kids living with her. Only one was actually her kid. The others were nieces and nephews. Call me callous, but I wouldn't doubt if she got state support for each of them.

I know Filipinas can be fairly alluring, and maybe the accent gives an extra boost to your hard-on, but consider how you'd react if presented the same situation by an American woman.

Like the wind!

[Malboy]

Pals,

I do agreed with Dragon Slayer. To cut it short. They are opportunitiest. You give them 1 in. they want 1 feet. Never ends. they are great liers.

MB

[Dragon Slayer]

Pals,

After 14 years travelling in the Philippines (16 years in S E Asia) I can say one thing: the situation has gotten worse, not better. Poverty is horrific and the government is beyond our concept of corruption. Getting a Filipina takes all of about 30 minutes on a chat site.

Having met and had relationships with more than 25 Filipinas (fucked over 100), I can accurately state a few things:

1) They lie with incredible frequency,
2) They play the "poverty card" to their ultimate advantage.
3) They always choose Family over You. I found this out on Leyte in early August (read my long Post in early August on Davao Borad).
4) Some will do almost anything to get out of the Philippines.

I have, however, NEVER seen a Filipina (even my daughter's mother) go into a rampage or commit acts of violence. This was common with THai women, including my former Thai wife. A Filipina who "loses it" due to jealousy or infidelity will act out her anger through deception and other effective means.

In August I had my e-mail invaded and ALL my contacts were sent separate e-mails saying I was in the Philippines looking for women to have sex with at the time. This was the source of some embarrassment for me, even with some of my lady f riends in China and my "china doll" in Toronto.

Dragon Slayer

[Pinay Lover]

I myself dated a filipina for 12 years before I was assigned to work here. I was given this image of a corrupt, dirty, no hope country and glad to be out of there country. So you can imagine my reluctance knowing I was about to be transfered. But after the first year, I got a better picture.

Yeah, there are a lot of filipinas willing to marry someone just to get out of their country. Who can blame them. The younger generations are bolder than the previous ones. They learn to use sex as an advantage to get someone to like and hopefully fall in love with them. The older generation girls are more willing to take the longer route of e-mailing and getting to know the person. both intentions are the same.

Many go to extreme lenghts and risk to work in other countries just to earn a few hundred dollars a month. That's why some girls turn tricks to either make some money for that placement fee or make big money without leaving the country by luring foreigners to spend their dollars or euros on them.

A few of these girls go all out to win our hearts hopping for that one chance to get a fiancee visa or wedding bells in the future. A couple of my regular girlfriends are doing that to me so that I could finally settle down with one of them. I'm getting old and the offer starts looking tempting each time. Mind you that two of the girls are career women and one a former dancer. Only time I seek other women is when I'm hornyand none of the girls are available.

A few thngs that worry me is they are quick to be jealous, 'clingy' and is probably more serious about the relationship than you are.
But if I can catch that rare gem, I ain't letting go.

[Migrant One]

I'm in the states and just started dating a filipina less than 4 moths ago. She has been here about a year and is a professional with kids and is about 4 years younger than me (47).

After a few dates it seemed she was making the wedding plans already, and is always extremely clingy. I've told her I'm in no hurry to marry again, she says fine, but the "we should live together", "Can't wait to get a ring" comments keep coming in.

She is pretty, sexy and many other things I like, but I'm just not ready to commit.

She makes decent money (but has 3 kids), I make decent money, but by no means rich. She pays for every third - fourth meal and is constantly buying me stuff, and bringing me food.

It seems even the ladies who are here want to desperatly marry!

(Yikes!)

migrant

[GoodEnough]

The most well-respected polling organization here is called the Social Weather Station (SWS). Recently SWS published a national poll which indicated that approximately 70% of the population of the Philippines would emigrate if given the opportunity. By any account, this is a shockingly high percentage. This is not because Filipinos don't love their country, but because there's so little opportunity created by the economy, and so little hope of any improvement, that any expectations of a rosier economic future are, for most people, futile.

This explains, I think why so many Filipinas will spring at any chance, no matter how slim, to marry a foreigner and to get out, even if the future they face is unknown and unclear.

The concepts of love, attraction, fidelity, and happiness are tied, albeit more strongly in some than in others, to the notion of getting to North America or Europe, which, for Filipinos, take on an almost mysical attraction. While it's true that, to a certain extent, the same phenomonon exists in several countries in SE Asia, nowhere is it as strong and as pervasive as here. I've seen the same set of circumstances in Africa, but there, the IT infrastructure is not as well developed, which means that the number of Africans able to communicate frequently with foreigners is still relatively small, and the opportunity to "troll" for prospective foereign mates is more limited.

There are several agencies here specializing in the placement of Filipinas in various foreign locations, from the Middle East (as domestic workers) to Japan (nightclub entertainers, GROs) to the US and Europe (health care professionals) and most of them have extensive waiting lists.Most such agencies charge a substantial fee for helping these ladies find jobs, and they scrimp and save to accumulate enough money to get their chance. I have lost count of the number of "normal" and reasonably well-educated Filippinas asking if I could help them get jobs as maids to foreigners who live here.

It's thus economic necessity, and the thought of escaping to a "better" if somewhat undefined new life that provides the motivation for a huge percentage of the population here; particularly the women who can turn their looks, and the attraction of Western men for Asian women, to their economic advantage.

GE

[Sho Nuff]

Castle,

Please be careful. You guys in this Forum are like my brothers so watch out. If she plans to get you she might just do that. Yeah we may think the Phils is fun and games but I know plenty of Filipinos who I have served in the US Army with and they have told me horror stories from that place. If you read the Sun Star you know what I am talking about.

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