Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[AsianPursuits]

will take her initial refusal at face value and just move on without feeling a compelling need to humiliate her..

This is an adjustment that needs to be made when travelling in Ph. As visitors we have to stop trying to fix everything. Stop complaining, stop pointing out that the floor moping method doesn't make sense, stop pointing out that the ATM should ne 1 metre to the right (undercover) instead of where they are building it. Just move on and let it be, same for the girls. We cannot change them.

[Goferring]

When I go to a new restaurant, I make sure to know the contents of the food I'm ordering so as to have an idea of what it'll taste like. If I'm abroad, like many of us are, and the menu is in a language I can't read and there are no pictures, would I still order randomly? My answer is hell to the no!

I'm lost here. If you want a fuck, call a hooker. If you want nudes call a cam girl. If your chosen one won't give what you want, move on to the '000's who will. What's so hard to understand? 😁.

Many girls won't do particular activities simply because it's not their thing. Expecting every girl to do every option is hopelessly optimistic.

[PedroMorales]

Most of these expats have never read a book and fewer yet have read Zola's Nana, which tells the story of Nana Coupeau's rise from streetwalker to high-class prostitute during the last three years of the French Second Empire. Zola describes her appearance: "All of a sudden, in the good-natured child the woman stood revealed, a disturbing woman with all the impulsive madness of her sex, opening the gates of the unknown world of desire. Nana was still smiling, but with the deadly smile of a man-eater."

Remember, most of these guys have no social skills and only get over priced pak pak when they pay for it. Go read Nana.

LOL. Well they showed you the wrapper the food was in.

[Mr Enternational]

If I'm abroad, like many of us are, and the menu is in a language I can't read and there are no pictures, would I still order randomly? My answer is hell to the no!

LOL. Well they showed you the wrapper the food was in.

[RainMania]

Conversely, a lot of guys will not treat her as a convenient sperm receptacle, will respect her as a human being, will take her initial refusal at face value and just move on without feeling a compelling need to humiliate her. When you go to a new restaurant, do you request a taste of the food prior to ordering?

GE.

When I go to a new restaurant, I make sure to know the contents of the food I'm ordering so as to have an idea of what it'll taste like. If I'm abroad, like many of us are, and the menu is in a language I can't read and there are no pictures, would I still order randomly? My answer is hell to the no!

[GoodEnough]

The second one is just using classic pressure tactics on you. A lot of weak willed guys out there will succumb to that like a slice of bread dipped in hot water.

Conversely, a lot of guys will not treat her as a convenient sperm receptacle, will respect her as a human being, will take her initial refusal at face value and just move on without feeling a compelling need to humiliate her. When you go to a new restaurant, do you request a taste of the food prior to ordering?

GE.

[RainMania]

I have 2 anecdotes about Pinays.

She's offended I dare ask for nudes...

ME: It's sex for money, not a girlfriend right? It's a transaction. You ever pay for something without looking at it first?

HER: I know. But I lost hope already. Because I'm not beautiful and sexy.

ME: so you say you don't look nice but I have to pay without looking first?

HER: I'm chubby not skinny but I'm not fat. I'm not beautiful but I think I'm not ugly, so you want meet me or not?

ME: "I respect totally you not wanting to send nude photos that's your choice" "We are all human with our limits".

she now is pissed...

HER: what is this. I really hate men asking pussy and boobs. Good customer never asked that. I promised. I meet 100 plus good clients never asked pussy and boobs.

They just pay, but many scumbags men fraud men asking only to fools girls so we never send. Nudes photos are okay but we never send pussy.

ME: ok, send the nude photos without pussy.

HER: no I am chubby and not pretty.

ME: (annoyed at this point), Chubby and ugly I can get for free. But I guess people pay you to leave without drama.

I blocked her before she could respond.

WTF, these girls think they can be treated like they're regular Tinder girlfriends? If it's P4 P then she's no more than a product. An enjoyable one, that deserves respect, but not flowers and the keys to your house.

The second one is just using classic pressure tactics on you. A lot of weak willed guys out there will succumb to that like a slice of bread dipped in hot water.

[AsianPursuits]

I only post this to show that there are some good ones out there but those who caution that, in many cases, you'll never see the loan again are correct. I try to judge success based on the girl's character viewed through the filter of Philippine culture.

My original post was more about my thoughts on pre-payment. The girls were ask for 'help' rather than a loan.

My genuine loan experience have been positive. A) I fronted up some capital for a loans business which funded the pinay through her studies as well as developing her entrepreneurial skills. That was repaid. B) I paid a bargirls 'registration' fee for her ID card so she could work. I think it was P3K. Who knows if it was a genuine reason. When I arrived a few weeks later she handed me the cash in the evening then each morning for the next two days I handed it back.

I have also avoided quite a few 'deals' that didn't make any sense and could never be repaid. An otherwise unemployed girl that wanted P250 K for house renovations to be repaid over 12 months. Her family couldn't even feed themselves let alone make repayments.

Another deal was putting up capital for a fabrics business, buying dresses out of Manila and selling in the provinces. She was selling dresses on credit and not getting paid for 30 days. I spent an hour trying to show that the problem was the debtors not the inventory and that financing inventory would compound her problems.

[WestCoast1]

I only post this to show that there are some good ones out there but those who caution that, in many cases, you'll never see he loan again are correct. I try to judge success based on the girl's character viewed through the filter of Philippine culture.

These are good examples. I too have had ongoing business relationships in Phils that have worked, including pigs and loan agents. Also some that have failed. I dislike it when people make sweeping generalizations, such as: "Never trust a pinoy, if their lips are moving then they are lying", and such. That being said, there is also some truth to it. Most pinoy who ask to borrow money realize that if they don't pay it back, little will happen to them over that. Collecting money loaned over the internet is not enforceable. OTOH, most will refuse to sign a contract prior to the loan, as it forces them to be responsible. Its shocking the % of pinoy who will say "NO" to a contract after they ask for a loan. As an example, if a pinoy asks you to loan him p1500, and you show at his home with the 1500 and a contract to sign, he will likely change his tune and not want your money. That's very telling: he has no desire to actually pay it back, and he quite possibly did not need the money for his previously stated "emergency".

BTW, prior to the pandemic, the 'piggys' business could be lucrative.

[Nice Guy 99]

I have learned the hard way long ago that expecting repayment for either 1) cash handed to a pinoy; or 2) a promise made by a girl on the internet, rarely see any return.

Case #1. Three weeks ago I fronted for 14 piglets plus feed. The pinay is someone I've known for years. I've loaned money to her before and it's always been repaid. She even sends me short vids of "our piggies". They are growing like weeds. I fully expect that the money I loaned will be paid back when she sells the pigs in a few months.

Case #2. About a year ago a pinay that I knew from when she was a hotel worker in Abu Dhabi came to me for advice. She had been in the US on a J visa working at a hotel and was now unemployed and back in the Phils. The IRS sent her a letter saying that she owed $1000 in back taxes from her J-visa work and that penalties would start shortly. She was panicked. I suggested that I pay it for her and that she pay me back when she could. With all of the info she gave me I was able to pay the IRS through the Internet in a matter of hours. For the next 7 months she continued to be unemployed. Three months ago she got a job. The last two months she has sent me $200/ mo and keeps apologizing that she can't send more. I fully expect she will pay the full $1000.

I only post this to show that there are some good ones out there but those who caution that, in many cases, you'll never see the loan again are correct. I try to judge success based on the girl's character viewed through the filter of Philippine culture.

[AsianPursuits]

If the girls can't make it, ask them in advance if they have friend j / cousin who might be interested in some extra prize money.

Thanks Geneva Guy & Westie for your thoughts. These are a sunk cost and I will forget it. It actually makes my trip planning a lot easier. Rather than planning my trip around the availability of specific girls I'll first just plan the trip and dates to suit myself then offer if they want to join on specific dates. If not, I'll will be using this cousin / friend concept and see where that leads.

Of course, two of the girls have specific qualities that I would like to run through again if it works out.

Girl 1: The loudest most coordinated girl I've ever fucked. She was exciting on the first time and continued to be exciting every time for two years. (she's on Pinalove for anyone in AC at the moment).

Girl 2: Innocent god fearing ex-HK hooker / bargirl now retired that insists on bareback and no contraception. Kind of an extra degree of caution needed.

Other than that there are all the usual dating site channels with 100,000 similar options.

[WestCoast1]

I actually had a filipina maid in Singapore pay me back money I "loaned" her. I was shocked but she did it. Miracles do happen hehe. Maybe because she was a 3 hole girl? Westy, any analysis on this?

GG.

I too have loaned money. However, I have learned the hard way long ago that expecting repayment for either 1) cash handed to a pinoy; or 2) a promise made by a girl on the internet, rarely see any return.

However, documented loans on paper have a higher return percentage. Possibly even 50%, which in itself is crappy, but much better than 1) or 2) above.

As an example. One of your previous girls was p1500 for a ST, and she gave good service. She asks for a p3000 remit loan and she agrees to 2ST's to pay it back. Even if she is willing to come to you, on her first ST she will want some extra money: Fare, babysitter, and "please please something for my foods my kids is hangry". You end up forking over another 700, bringing your new ST rate to p2200. It would have been easier to say NO to her request, and just ST'd her when you return.

I have had others borrow and pay back cash, but its unusual. Expect it to be a gift.

[Geneva Guy]

Its a nice fantasy. I've had the fantasy before, too. . . Do you have a signed contract for any of that? Pinoy have little sense of repaying financial debts. They understand that when they themselves loan money to others, that there is little chance of getting it back. If you want to know if a pinoy is sincere about paying back a loan, ask them to sign a simple contract. Many will refuse, because that would mean that they are bound to pay back at some point. This is very telling when someone refuses to sign a loan repayment promise, as they were not sincere in paying back from the get-go. BTW, signed contracts in Phils can be a simple piece of paper done in ink pen. Must have date and names of all parties, including a witness. Want to see if your pinoy is very sincere about repayment? Ask him / her to go to his Brgy office with you to have a Kagawad witness the document signature.

And only for more money. Most certainly they will not take time off from work (in fact, it might not be possible to take time from work without losing the job) for a week to bang you and not get paid from their job. If the girls can't make it, ask them in advance if they have friend j / cousin who might be interested in some extra prize money.

I actually had a filipina maid in Singapore pay me back money I "loaned" her. I was shocked but she did it. Miracles do happen hehe. Maybe because she was a 3 hole girl? Westy, any analysis on this?

GG.

[WestCoast1]

During the pandemic I did send a few contributions to 3 girls over the course of 2020, 2021. Probably P20 k all up to these girls that I have had multiple visits with in the past.

In my mind I was thinking of these as "pre-payments" for future services.

Its a nice fantasy. I've had the fantasy before, too. . . Do you have a signed contract for any of that? Pinoy have little sense of repaying financial debts. They understand that when they themselves loan money to others, that there is little chance of getting it back. If you want to know if a pinoy is sincere about paying back a loan, ask them to sign a simple contract. Many will refuse, because that would mean that they are bound to pay back at some point. This is very telling when someone refuses to sign a loan repayment promise, as they were not sincere in paying back from the get-go. BTW, signed contracts in Phils can be a simple piece of paper done in ink pen. Must have date and names of all parties, including a witness. Want to see if your pinoy is very sincere about repayment? Ask him / her to go to his Brgy office with you to have a Kagawad witness the document signature.

I do expect they will be more reliable to turn up. For more money.

And only for more money. Most certainly they will not take time off from work (in fact, it might not be possible to take time from work without losing the job) for a week to bang you and not get paid from their job. If the girls can't make it, ask them in advance if they have friend j / cousin who might be interested in some extra prize money.

[AsianPursuits]

During the pandemic I did send a few contributions to 3 girls over the course of 2020, 2021. Probably P20 k all up to these girls that I have had multiple visits with in the past.

In my mind I was thinking of these as "pre-payments" for future services.

Now that I am planning my trip and getting an idea of how I will spend my time. So if I say to ex-uni student, now graduated and employed to hand out for the week she's going to need additional compensation to cover lost wages, travel etc plus week's allowance. Similar for the other two.

So, my P20 k is a sunk cost and I can feel some satisfaction I helped them in their time of need.

I do expect they will be more reliable to turn up. For more money.