Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[BrainDrain]

I kept seeing her and nothing in her behavior with me suggested that she was playing me in any way. Finally I arranged a schedule conflict. One of the fake profiles was to arrive to Suvarnabuhmi and she promised to come and greet him at the airport. Few hours before she had to leave for the airport I asked her to go out and eat at her favorite riverside restaurant. She said she had to take her mother to see a doctor.

I kept seeing her for couple of more visits but no longer harbored any illusions of exclusivity. I didn't play this charade to embarrass her, just to know where I stood in relation to her plans.

Thanks for sharing this experience. You remember last year when we had dinner in AC? I told you that my GF at the time was also about to meet my other persona. She's still playing at the game. It's better to know that to be under an illusion.

As always actions speak more than words.

BD.

[Kurre]

I have always understood that women come and women go. I enjoy them during the time that I am with them and it seems that they enjoy me as well since there is nothing else they could be getting out of being with me.

Step by step I'm trying to get there as well. I suspect that in my thirties, early forties my tendency to either overpay or overtip WGs was an effort ot compensate for my own low self esteem rather than pay for services rendered. Lately I have realized that the best sessions have in big part been the ones where no money changed hands or compensation was not discussed beforehand.

[Mr Enternational]

I kept seeing her and nothing in her behavior with me suggested that she was playing me in any way. Finally I arranged a schedule conflict. One of the fake profiles was to arrive to Suvarnabuhmi and she promised to come and greet him at the airport. Few hours before she had to leave for the airport I asked her to go out and eat at her favorite riverside restaurant. She said she had to take her mother to see a doctor.

LOL. That is a great story. A guy like me though really wouldn't give a damn. I get emotionally wrapped up in all of them. That is not to say that I am going to cry over them or try to investigate their every move. I have always understood that women come and women go. I enjoy them during the time that I am with them and it seems that they enjoy me as well since there is nothing else they could be getting out of being with me.

Even a few chicks that I deal with have gotten pregnant and had babies by other guys lately (Thailand, PI, Dominican Republic). They admit that they fucked up, but I say we as people fuck up better than we do anything else. So I didn't stop messing with them because of that. I just kept right on fucking them while they were pregnant, and now while their babies are on the right titty, I am on the left. We are still friends but they are the ones that suffer because now they have less flexibility and of course all of the daddies disappeared when they found out the chicks were pregnant so they have to figure out how to take care of the kids on their own. The one in Pattaya said she will go back home at the end of September and return when the kid is seven or so; mainly because her bosses have sold the hotel that she manages and lives at, so her job and place to stay are gone.

When I was married, I got off at 11 pm and went over to a coworker's house one night and stayed until about 2:30 am. I wasn't drinking or anything. We were just shooting the shit. I got home and took a shower and got into the bed. My wife got up and put her clothes on and left the house. After 45 minutes or so she came back angry because I did not ask where she was going at such an hour. I told her that she was a grown woman. If she wanted me to know where she was going then she would have told me. Then I went back to sleep.

[Kurre]

What is this long game stuff? What does it matter if she likes having a wealthy boyfriend?

The long game some girls play is simple: they have a boyfriend, they find another, maybe one or two more, dump the ones that aren't good looking / sexy / rich / kind enough or don't visit often enough and they keep on upgrading until reaching a satisfactory level. This happens in all societies and of course males do it, too.

I write from personal experience. Years ago I was seeing a Thai uni teacher in her late thirties that I had met through Thai Cupid. My work allowed me to visit Bangkok every couple of months. I mostly paid for dinners, entertainment and short trips out of town but she pulled her weight every once and a while. My gifts to her consisted of an occasional box of chocolates or jar of jam bought from a airport tax free shop. I never offered or gave her money, not even for taxi. She was the epitome of a good Thai girl, pleasant company and fun in the sack. I liked this lady so much that when she asked me to delete my Thai Cupid account I promised I would do it. She said that this was her way of asking for exclusivity. When I checked into TC I noticed that she had been active quite recently. I deleted my account but created another one to know how active she was there. After establishing that she logged in several times a day, I created five fake accounts to bait her. Out of five, she responded to three and and with two of those profiles she started corresponding with through email. Those two fake profiles had two things in common: they had financial independence and there were in process of locating to Bangkok.

I kept seeing her and nothing in her behavior with me suggested that she was playing me in any way. Finally I arranged a schedule conflict. One of the fake profiles was to arrive to Suvarnabuhmi and she promised to come and greet him at the airport. Few hours before she had to leave for the airport I asked her to go out and eat at her favorite riverside restaurant. She said she had to take her mother to see a doctor.

I kept seeing her for couple of more visits but no longer harbored any illusions of exclusivity. I didn't play this charade to embarrass her, just to know where I stood in relation to her plans.

My point is that everyone can participate in this game or just tag along for a ride. It can be fun. Just realize that some girls have goals that they travel towards and you are just a roadside cafe, maybe one of many, along the route. That is absolutely fine by me. I just don't get so much emotionally invested in anymore.

Normal chicks like to fuck and hang out and have a good time too! It is not always about money.

That is true. And every once in a while when we are lucky we get to enjoy that unbridled joy of two human beings joining their paths for an exquisite no-strings-attached romp.

I keep hearing that good punters don't need luck, though. Maybe I'll get there one day.

[Mr Enternational]

Some of these SEA girls are very good at playing the long game. She might be attracted to you but big part of this attraction comes from the prospect of having a wealthy (at least by PI standards) boyfriend. Most likely she can see through your lies about your marital status but she doesn't care.

What is this long game stuff? What does it matter if she likes having a wealthy boyfriend? I like having a pretty girlfriend. A key thing that is always overlooked in these relationships is: Just because he has money does not mean he has to give her any. And you tend know whether someone is with you for money or not; because you are always giving it to them or buying them shit! Somebody that is never asking for shit more than likely is not with you for money.

There are chicks in PI that I have been in a relationship with for years or been fucking for years. We have even stopped seeing each other and later gotten back together. Sure we have gone places and done stuff together, but I have not paid for any roofs, school books for kids, tuition, trike money, none of those bullshit code words guys use to say they are paying women without really admitting that they are paying women.

If they are with me for money then let me tell you, they have some mf patience, because I have never given them any and they have never asked for any. And some of these chicks travel from out of town to see me. The problem is guys leading with money, then you can not tell why a woman is with you. I give money to hookers; I do not give money to normal women. And TA7 met a normal chick and tried to give her damn near $100. The girl was probably insulted. Why do some guys even try to turn normal chicks into hookers then complain later when chicks are after their money? You made your own bed. Newsflash: Normal chicks like to fuck and hang out and have a good time too! It is not always about money.

Most women don't care if you have someone else. They just want the truth. I was with a chick (several actually) in the Dominican Republic last week. But we did the usual fuck first and get to know each other after. A day or so after, one of the questions she asked was if I was married. I said would it matter if I was? She said no, not really. I said well I am not married and I live alone. Then I showed her the security cameras at my house on my phone. Another chick that I was with in the same country last week is a high ranking police officer. Two days ago she said I saw you talking to those women on your phone when we were in bed. I said that is not important. Just love me for me. Love me for who I am. She said okay, but you are mine. Leave it at that. She now knows how I am and she has no problem with it.

If you are married and want to keep mongering, you have to move beyond feeling guilty for your actions, both in regard to you spouse but especially in regard to the providers, pro or non-pro.

Like anything else in this world, all that takes is practice. How do you think the hookers in these bars felt the first time they had to go with a foreigner? Uncomfortable, guilty, and all kinds of other shit. Then over time they got used to it from practicing everyday.

I was in the Navy and spent the night at this Mexican chick's house. She had told me her brother was in the Navy. While she was sleep I went through her purse and saw she had a dependant ID card. So the guy she claimed to be her brother was actually her husband. I called my dad feeling guilty and told him that I didn't know the chick was married. He said you are in the real world now son. Now after all these years with so much practice of fucking married chicks...

[D Cups]

Excellent observations. My sentiments exactly. I'm still planning to move to this Disneyland when I retire. Should I develop a long-term relationship or even marry I will keep her there but hopefully far away from any relatives. Even if she is well educated, a doctor or nurse. Westerners in USA are not ready for the age gap difference.

These girls are so addictive which is why we keep coming back to Philippines. I can think of at least 5 non-pro Filipinos that I have met and still friends with, that have told me a similar quote and I tell them similar as well. The reality is the a 20 year old Filipino is fun to be around in short doses and for me offers very little for a long term relationship. Do these girls understand or comprehend the complexities of western life, of government agencies that actually work, Can we take them to dinner parties and have them inspire my colleagues ad older friends? What do they offer that is fulfilling?

There are sweet intelligent girls that have very little choice. They are taught by aunties and other family members to keep foreigner BF on the hook. They are good at it BUT the risk is all yours. In staying with you she has everything to gain while you are risking everything.

For me it's Disneyland where I come and play but the fun stays in the park.

BD.

[Kurre]

We continue to exchange messages on we chat and kakao. The did tell her a lie that I am separated (in reality I am still married) but otherwise made it clear that because of my two young kids back in the states, I can't commit to any relationships, but would love to see her if I am back in Manila. She says anytime I am in Manila she wants to see me. She tells me this will always be the case until I decide I no longer want her company.

Hearing this I feel bad, and tell her pretty much the same thing. She will someday get a great boyfriend who wants to commit, and until that happens I will always be available to see her. I said when she commits, we can remain friends if she wants.

Some of these SEA girls are very good at playing the long game. She might be attracted to you but big part of this attraction comes from the prospect of having a wealthy (at least by PI standards) boyfriend. Most likely she can see through your lies about your marital status but she doesn't care.

There's nothing wrong in participating in this game. Just keep your emotions in check. If you are returning within couple of months you might benefit from cultivating this relationship. You might also find it a burden if you want to explore other options. Beyond few months (or even weeks), she will move on and find the next long term prospect. BD is right when warning against starting a long term relationship. I am married to a SEA lady some 15 years younger than me. While it makes life interesting and fun at times, mostly it is an uphill struggle to have any kind of normal social life in a western country.

If you are married and want to keep mongering, you have to move beyond feeling guilty for your actions, both in regard to you spouse but especially in regard to the providers, pro or non-pro.

[Mogwai]

I still say this semiprostitute stuff makes no sense.

Let's keep it simple. I think the definition of a semi-pro is that prostitution is not her only source of income. So yes she's a hooker, but only part-time.

[Bushes]

My little head cannot drive yet. That is why he pulls over.

I once saw an accident scene where a distracted driver was having his cock sucked while doing 70 mph on the highway. Upon collision with another vehicle, his girlfriend's mouth slammed shut, her teeth severed his cock, and it lodged in her throat obstructing her airway. He bled out before the first responders could cut through the wreckage and stop the bleeding.

[Bushes]

FWIW, maybe it is because I have more than I can handle, but I always make it clear to the girl it is a pay for play situation with no strings. Especially with young girls with no other attachments. I actually encourage them to seek other more permanent and better situations. Some actually cry and get very upset. But they get over it and come back and follow my advice, even though it could be detrimental to me. I plan visits so it matches my schedule and also do not interfere with their social life or hunting. Like weekend nights. I also advice them if they have suitors and help weed out the mongers. (What was that, takes a thief to catch a thief?) They have limited time find someone. My 2 cents.

I can't commit to any relationships, but would love to see her if I am back in Manila. She says anytime I am in Manila she wants to see me. She tells me this will always be the case until I decide I no longer want her company.

Hearing this I feel bad, and tell her pretty much the same thing. She will someday get a great boyfriend who wants to commit, and until that happens I will always be available to see her. I said when she commits, we can remain friends if she wants.

I think I am developing some emotional attachment here and seek the advice of veteran mongers. I have no plans to leave the wife for this girl but at the same time, feel disinterested in Manila pros and semi pros, compared to this girl. Perhaps some of you mongers juggle a few non pros at a time, and I have no idea how you deal with the emotional aspects of it. I see no harm letting this carry on for now, but as I am inexperienced with non pros, I can't see what the long term effects of this continued relationship will be like. Would appreciate your thoughts.

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[Mr Enternational]

Semi pro because she never demanded but always appreciated a $20 bill here and there to help her out.

I still say this semiprostitute stuff makes no sense. Even I would appreciate someone handing me a $20 bill to help me out. The true measuring stick is: Would she not see you again had you stopped giving her $20 bills? Then she is a hooker. If she would see you regardless of you giving her money or not, then she is not a hooker.

[Chacal60]

I had a semi-pro gal who I would visit at her apartment during our lunchtimes for mutual showers, an unimpressive back massage and then a passionate 69 with her finishing me with an easily ten or fifteen min BBBJ all taken in her mouth. Off she'the go to spit and brush, never swallowing but always carrying me away without spilling a drop. 40 ish with a yoga toned body, very very addictive. She moved back to her village and I left Manila. Semi pro because she never demanded but always appreciated a $20 bill here and there to help her out.

I have only been with one non-pro, a 20 year old social media butterfly. She does not really know how to do Cowgirl or reverse cowgirl because that position is too embarrassing for her. However when it comes to the BBBJ, she is in my top 5 of all time, and that includes escorts. This girl knows her BBBJ is incredible and gives a solid 10 minutes of effort, with lots of tongue and DT, etc. Seems the optimal time for me.

I have not dated any other non pros but the bar girls and FL I picked up all give shorter, less impressive BBBJs. Maybe 5 minutes max, and that has been rare.

I hear a lot about how pinoy girls love to give head, love DATY, etc but are these mostly non pros you guys are talking about? Because my experience with the pros and semi pros has been far from anything a non pro has been able to offer.

[Sammon]

I once saw an accident scene where a distracted driver was having his cock sucked while doing 70 mph on the highway. Upon collision with another vehicle, his girlfriend's mouth slammed shut, her teeth severed his cock, and it lodged in her throat obstructing her airway. He bled out before the first responders could cut through the wreckage and stop the bleeding.

Really? It is common in my younger days in USA to have girls give a BBBJ while you are driving with one hand and fingering her pussy with the other. Thankfully no accident happened except truckers who can see what's happening honking and occasional maintenance workers looking in when you slow down. Those were the fond memories.

[BrainDrain]

I think I am developing some emotional attachment here and seek the advice of veteran mongers. I have no plans to leave the wife for this girl but at the same time, feel disinterested in Manila pros and semi pros, compared to this girl. Perhaps some of you mongers juggle a few non pros at a time, and I have no idea how you deal with the emotional aspects of it. I see no harm letting this carry on for now, but as I am inexperienced with non pros, I can't see what the long term effects of this continued relationship will be like. Would appreciate your thoughts.

These girls are so addictive which is why we keep coming back to Philippines. I can think of at least 5 non-pro Filipinos that I have met and still friends with, that have told me a similar quote and I tell them similar as well. The reality is the a 20 year old Filipino is fun to be around in short doses and for me offers very little for a long term relationship. Do these girls understand or comprehend the complexities of western life, of government agencies that actually work, Can we take them to dinner parties and have them inspire my colleagues ad older friends? What do they offer that is fulfilling?

There are sweet intelligent girls that have very little choice. They are taught by aunties and other family members to keep foreigner BF on the hook. They are good at it BUT the risk is all yours. In staying with you she has everything to gain while you are risking everything.

For me it's Disneyland where I come and play but the fun stays in the park.

BD.

[ForkTruck]

I've found that BBBJ girls, both professional and not, fall into two categories: those that give enough head just to stop their BF / John from complaining and those that provide steĺlar performances as they truly enjoy giving it and get off on it themselves.

I have had a western woman girlfriend who absolutely loves to give head and is spectacular at it. She has actually orgasmed while sucking me. She liked it so much that often while fucking her, and between positions, will ask me " is it OK if I suck you some more now". I say "of course dear". She is a non pro and says an ex boyfriend taught her how to do it and Wow is she great at it. Bless that guy.