Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[Pimpster]

One of the things that I don't think you guys fully appreciate about filipinas or women in third world countries are the fact that they will be loyal to you, do this and that for you while you are their husband, boyfriend in their country. Consider that you have a huge advantage "think of yourself as donald trump", over there where you can provide a way better life for them. You must never forget that you are their meal ticket. Guys who suggest that filipina are way loyal should look at the number of guys that get dumped once the girl manages to get on her feet upon getting to the u.s. Sure you can cut and splice and say well I know of this one instance where the guy was dying and his wife was taking care of him, but that is the exception versus the rule. I would agree with you that if you in your late 50 or early 60's and you marry some young 20 something butt ugly uneducated filipina chick and bring her back to the states, chances are that she will stay with you if your personality isn't shitty. If however you are 50's something average income, and she a fine honey, she going to be out of there as soon as she gets her papers.

If you look at the broader picture, more guys get burned by filipinas in everyday life and even on this board. I will state this again, if your going to hook up with a filipina its better just to keep them over there, where they will be loyal to you and think you as a trophy husband, hell many of them will turn a blind eye to you cheating on them, because if they leave you their not going to get jack over there. They rather put up with all sorts of shit, versus going back to the life where they came from without a future.

[Asian Luv]

I was married to a flip for 7years had great wife all sept the sex, she was a virgin good girl and would not do anal would try bj but would stop to jack me off ot finidsh.

I dated and LBFM here in the states 4'11 95lbs loved to fuck anal bj deepthroat,. the works nice lil spinner, but had an attitude and issues so i booted her out the door.

Sure wish my first wife fucked like the GF or the GF had the attitude of my first wife lol.. would love to had them both hehe.

Oh well my take is ALL flips are insainly jelouis. but some can make great house wifes and some can be great at sex - I am looking for the mix of both worlds - I have looked at some dating sites like cherrybloosoms and started chating with young ladies I am looking for qualities in my ex wife that I could hook up with and maybe teach her to be more sexualy like my GF.

Any thoughts? On grabing a nice young spiner virgin and trying to teach her to be a ***** in the bedroom. Anyone done this with anyluck? please report your story and if you tried it and it failed please tell us about that.

[GoodEnough]

Thanks for your very articulate and reasoned defense of Filipinas. I agree. Most are fiercely loyal, and will literally love you to death. I have just come from a New Year's Eve party, comprised largely of expat men and their Filipina wives/girlfriends. What I saw there reinforced everything you said. Once a Filipina decides she loves you, God help anyone who tries to get in between.

GE

[Uninfun]

I add that every filipina I've met has also been super clean, and pretty well dressed. Funny. Ask them for a picture of who they looked like when they first arrived in the USA (prior to dumping H #1) and what they look like today and it's two (2) different women. When they arrive, most come from a very conservative background (even the bar girls). Their family will pressure them into sending money every month, etc. (it's part of the deal getting a girl who will usually not gain weight and age gracefully). Their family is the most important thing to them. As they get here, they adjust to USA. The hairstyles, clothing, and makeup make them look like they grew up here. They go home and fry fish that smells like all hell, but for the most part incorporate themselves into living here. The girls I've met are all hardcore cooks when it comes to filipina foods (which for the most part are pretty good), and rice is served with most everything.

Most of the filipinas I've met will bang like a rabbit. That being said, I've known more than a few to cheat, or just dump H#1 after a couple of years. I'm sure there are guys with a conservative woman who will remain loyal.

As to loyalty, they are loyal to their family first and you second (not that that is a bad thing, but a truth). A husband to these girls is a ticket to support. Some will be loyal and some wont. You can't make a blanket statement about them either way when it comes to loyalty.

As to Jealosy, most I have met were jealous nuts. Its like dating a spanish woman. If you can't deal with a girl acting like a baby once in a while, don't get involved. Again, this isn't meant to stereotype, just inform of my experiences.

As to manipulation. They will manipulate you. The culture they come from has no problem asking for money. No problem at all. Their family will call for money, beg about problems, etc. It's part of the culture (an unattractive part). The girls don't have a problem with age, because they look for stability and financial ability in a husband. Just a truth.

For the most part, they have redeeming qualities. The problem is that many are screwed up in the head. Just my opinion.

[Spike]

i am not the most experienced international traveller on this forum, but i've spent time in the philippines, japan, hong kong, singapore and, for what it's worth, mexico and canada. i've sampled women from brothels in nevada, too many amp's to count, sw from probably two dozen countries, and amatures from around the world. by far the best experience(s) of my life were with chinese women, both in hong kong and stateside. that said, i must agree with those poster's who champion the filipina woman.

i lived in p.i. for over year, and i married my first wife there. she was a couple of years older than i, i met her in a bar where she was working for drinks (and more). i would still be married to her if i hadn't been so young and foolish at the time. she was cute, smart, very hard working, dedicated, loyal and f*cked like a rabid weasel whenever i had the urge (which was often; i was 20 years old). i have posted before that she would have stepped in front of a speeding train for me. if i had ever gotten into a fight with someone in her presence, she would literally have carved them like a thanksgiving turkey. she offered to do this more than once in p.i. to men who were talking about robbing me while speaking tagalog. this was before i learned the language. (after i learned the language, i took over that chore for myself, and you should have seen the looks on their faces when this farang responded in the native tongue!).

i have known filipina women who have been very mercenary, but i have known far more who have been extremely loyal. i mean extremely loyal, tending to sick old men, changing their [CodeWord131], spoon feeding them and doing it all for an estate valued in the low four digits. there is an extreme culture of loyalty manifest in the typical filipina woman. they usually like americans (we have quite a history in their country and get along with most quite well with the exception of the moros in the south). when they don't like us, they have a wary respect. i had some pretty hairy experiences when i was there, but that was during the wild and wooley days of martial law.

as i said, i prefer chinese women, and i think they are generally just as loyal, but the cultural differences are significantly greater, the language barrier is significantly greater, and it is just harder to relate to and understand them, even when communication is good. chinese women are typically more attractive to me physically, although there are many filipina women who are just flat beautiful. any comparison to american or other western women leaves the non-asians looking course, crude and definitely of a lower caliber. this is, once again, my opinion.

another curious thing i have noticed (and i haven't really seen anyone mention it)... i have had very, very few cases where an asian woman is less than scrupulously clean. maybe because economics dictate that a different class of woman works "the trade" in asian countries, but i have always been amazed at this fact. the typical american or european sw can be a filthy, smelly skank, but the typical asian working girl, of whom i have sampled more than a few (hundred), seemingly sets a higher standard of personal hygene. forget mexicans; i won't even comment, other than to say that i am permanently turned off to latinas for this reason. one too many bad ones. does anyone else have any feedback on this point?

just my humble opinion.

spike, out...

[Pimpster]

Good enough,

From what I have read prior to Spanish rule Filipino were considered savage much like the Native American Indian. With no written language and tribal in nature etc.. Even their language,religion, etc are spanish base throw in some chinese and american you have the filipines. For whatever reason filipino are not proud of being filipino, they always make a point that they are mix with chinese or spanish blood etc...With an attitude like that it is easy to throw away your culture.

Juniour, well in response, I would have to say that if push came to shove I would marry a mexican or chinese lady than a filipino. My reason being that for whatever reason in those culture women are willing to put up with more crap from the guys. In chinese its a culture thing to be dominated by men and they are trained from a young age to accept their place. If you look at the chinese in the u.s. they are less likely to blend into american culture than the filipina the same thing can be said of mexican women. We are not talking about materialistic attitude or being bitchy we are only talking about with how much they will endure.

When i said divorce rate i should have said separated. If your going to marry a filipina just keep her over there. When ever I retire I plan to get a huge ass house over there find some fine looking young filipina and shack up with her for six months or so a year. NO need to bring her back to the states, besides in most instances you can provide a much better life for her over there than if you brought her back to the states. PI is like mexico, both thes countries will never amount to anything, because of the culture and government.

[Member #1005]

Now that we are back to having an intelligent conversation here; on second thoughts yes, maybe I might have over sold the virtues of the Philippino woman.

But to be fair, ask yourself this one question: If these guys, who’s young brides have left them, soon after marriage, had married a Thai, Chinese or Mexican woman would the outcome have been any different?

I say this because it takes two to tango and from personal experience some of the guys I have seen married to Philippinos are not exactly the most accommodating of personalities and in my opinion I believe it would take a very exceptional woman of any nationality to put up with some of these guys.

However, to provide a balanced view we do around once every six months see the occasional story in the media about a young bride who killed her husband just for financial gain. The last one I can recall is the case of a women and her scheming lover who slowly poisoned her husband then cut up the body and fed it to animals. Anyway, he also had two young children and the couple held onto them just for the money. What I found sad about this is that the guy was only six years older than his wife. But this is strictly in the 10 percent; for my money and I hope I am right I believe if you find a good one then you should stick with them.

Columpuss

Whooops, sorry must have been too much alcohol the night before. Clandestine, my earlier post was meant for you.




Juniour

[GoodEnough]

First of all, the divorce rate over here is zero, for the simple reason that there is no divorce permitted under law. Second, to assert that "Filipino (sic) have no culture," is patently absurd. The fact is, that successive years of colonialization changed the culture, certainly, but did not obliterate it, forcing Filipinos to create a synthesis of divergent influences.

For someone who comes here occassionally, samples the local merchandise and then derisively dismisses an entire country as having no culture evidences, if nothing else, a total lack of understanding or perhaps no interest in understanding. Filipinas are neither loyal nor disloyal. They are, after all, individuals and like individuals all over the world, differ from each other.

GE

[Columpuss]

Junior,

Agree with you about psyberzombie. Minor correction, I think you mean Clandestine in your post and not me.

[Pimpster]

I don't believe that filipina are that loyal compared to other asian women, look at the divorce rate over there and look at the number of guys who get dumped by their import filipina. One of the things that everyone here forgets is that in most intances young filipina marrying some old guy is not that she loves him, but its her way out of hell hole end of story. Honestly, how many of those young filpinas hook up with grandpa filipino over there that have an average income, you don't. So, people need to drop that loyal shit right now, they hooking up for the $$$ and the visa. If the guy was flat broke how long you think she be loyal? Furthermore if you look at filipina in the u.s. they are just likely to leave you as an american woman. If you are looking for loyality, go get someone from china, thailand, or maybe mexico you have a higher chance of them being loyal to you. Filipino have no culture, because they have been ruled by so many different countries, so its a mix of a little here and a little there.

We like filipino because we can fucking communicate with them, unlike other women from third world country.

[Member #1005]

PsyberZombie,

Whoaaa pal…….?? Please stop your ramblings it’s fairly obvious that you have never been to the Philippines with your Neanderthal nonsense here – tell me were you on the pipe when you wrote that? I thought we had enough clowns on this thread without bringing more to the circus – just where did you get your information?

Now let me correct you on a couple of points; the reason why guys go for Philippino girls is because they are very “loyal”, the same way that as many of you have attested is that they look after their families, and nine times out of ten, they are also loyal to their husbands.

I have been going to the Philippines for 17 years odd and whilst I will admit that Filippinos are somewhat naïve to the wider world, but generally they are not by nature devious. I have travelled widely and been to many countries and I always get the cell numbers of the girls I meet and when I call up Thai girls the first thing they ask is: “How much you will pay me?” Whereas when I call up Philippinos they reply: “What time & where?”

I recall a guy who married a Philippino woman, around 30 years his junior, who went on to develop Multiple Sclerosis (MS) and he made a deal with her that she could and leave him and begin a new life when he became too bad to look after. I and many others were impressed because this woman looked after her husband until the day he died, visiting him regularly whilst he was in care. And remember this was an attractive woman who had many guys after her but she still remained loyal to her husband despite the temptations. I have heard many other such stories of Philippino girls and this is why so many fat old men travel to the Philippines because nine times out of ten they can find a partner who will accept them for who they are and in most part remain loyal.

Contrast this case with a British woman here who recently flew back from Spain to the UK with her 82 year old husband and dumped him at a hospital with a note, strapped to his chest, asking someone to look after him. Then callously flew back to Spain to resume her lifestyle.

For more on this story: http://society.guardian.co.uk/longte...350427,00.html

So when you come on and talk about something you obviously know nothing about please do me a favour and can it because we are trying to raise the bar in this threat and not lower it, you obviously don’t know what you are talking about here.

Columpuss, I have been watching this thread from a distance and my best advice to you is if you really like this girl then have her visit you for a while sponsoring her and see how you get on. I have sponsored two girls in my time to come and visit me, one Brazilian the other Russian Latvian and taken a Philippino with me to Hong Kong, when I was working there and none of them were hookers, all university educated, but the only one that ever caused me any problems was the Brazilian. However, that is a whole different story, but remember inside every Philippino is a loving heart waiting to get out. I have seen more “so-called” regular girls from “all countries” who are much more devious than some of these former bar girls who do know where their bread is buttered.


PsyberZombie, you dazzled us yesterday with your lack of intellect as well as bastardising the English language in the process; your grammar and command of English is appalling. I have never seen commas and semi colons used in the way you have used them. There are many girls working in McDonalds in Manila and throughout the Philippines who have a better grasp of English than you. Now tell me how do you expect people to take you seriously posting such misogynistic garbage? If some of you guys knew how to treat women you would get a much better result out of them.



Jackson – I can sympathise with you when you are finding yourself having to actually edit someone’s poorly written post. It must be especially frustrating when they don’t even get their facts straight.




Juniour

[PsyberZombie]

It's just a 'Guy Thing' to want to fall in love with and want to take care of a woman who's young and beautiful and who seems to need taking care of ; especially if she's hot in bed and seems to actually Like the normally repulsive you

But please remember PsyberZombie's Law =

" Never rescue a Fair Maiden who owns a Dragon Farm "

I offer the same advice to any guy who wants to become some hooker's Sugar Daddy [ or even worse , her Husband ] =

The only thing you'll be accomplishing by supporting this chick is to allow her to be more selective in who she'll screw for fun or money behind your back

And if you do bring her back and move her in = make sure you lock up all your personal papers first . Because when she decides to hit the road [ notice I say when ; not if ] , she'll probably take a few days first to clean out your bank accounts , sell your car , and take out a second mortgage on your home

So now you can't say you weren't Warned !!

[GoodEnough]

Over the past several months, and perhaps for a longer period, several people have commented on the inextricable ties between Filipinas and their families. Some have said—and not without reason—that Filipinas, even those who profess to love you, will always choose their families over you if put into a position in which they have to make a choice.

The author James Hamilton-Peterson, in his book about the Marcoses called America’s Boy offers some insights into why such intense loyalty is a closely-held cultural value in the Philippines. In explaining a key social concept called utang na loob, which he translates as “inner debt,” the author says that: “This implied distinction between ‘inner’ and ‘outer’ person is extremely important to Filipinos…This may be the reason for…the ability to sell one’s self without any sense of personal loss. The loob remains unsullied…Thus a cycle of mutual indebtedness builds up throughout the vast family network…unignorable…The only way out would be to…walk away. That leads to the gravest charge one Filipino can level at another, that of being walang hiya, or without shame.”

Putting this concept within the context of the Westerner – Filipina social dynamic then, the Filipina would naturally choose her family for that is where her obligations lie. To reject her family by siding with a Westerner, she would shame herself and thus risk ostracism which might last long after the departure of the foreigner.

I claim to be neither a student of Tagalog nor an expert in Philippines culture. However, the concept as presented by the author makes sense to me, and helps lead to an understanding of the phenomenon. It may also explain why Filipinas who are in the sex trade, yet appear unsullied and “sweet” can make a distinction between what they’re doing to earn money, and who they are.
Hope that some of you find this useful.

:D

GE

[GoodEnough]

I think the communality of which you speak is driven more by rural poverty than any cultural ideal. I find that as people here move to the larger cities, and away from a life that requires more collective cooperation, the drive to share whatever they have diminishes. I agree with you about the genuine sweetness of the people, but again, I think it's important not to idealize, and not to generalize too much.

If Filipinos seem less driven by acquisitiveness and self-aggrandizement, it may be because so much of their national history, and the cultural antecedents of such history have been obliterated by 400 years of Spanish, English, Japanese and American colonialization. Remember that the 7,000 + islands now known as the Philippines were never a distinct country prior to 1547 or so when the Spanish arrived. Remember too, that regional differences are strong and persistent, and what's true about the "character" of Filipinos from one area may not be true about those from another. The lack of a national "ethos" makes Filipinos distinctly different from Chinese, Thais, and even Vietnamese and Loatians, all of whom came from reasonably intact countries prior to colonizalization.

All of this is by way of pointing out that the Philippines is a difficult place about which to generalize, much less to understand from the point of view of a foreigner. This is a place of mystery, and resists easy generalizations. I can say that the longer I live here, the less I understand, and the more I appreciate the diversity of the place.

GE

[Columpuss]

GE

Not bursting my bubble at all! Of course there are money and status thirsty people everywhere, but at least in the PIs, just like the people many Central American countries, their citizens are more communal than others, living to be a part of the community rather than to rise above others. I also observe the same in many island countries, which makes these people are so wonderful and sweet.

Clandestine

Been in Hong Kong once, could not, could not, could not stand its people, or maybe I just don't like people living in huge metropolitans.

I'm very laid back and easy going. I prefer to be surrounded by the same type of people. That's why I come at least once a year to the PIs and Costa Rica and not South Korea or Hong Kong. I can see myself marrying a Filipina but not a Chinese. You are maybe the opposite judging from how you admire the Chinese and their money. This is the answer to your post: stay in Hong Kong where you belong and find a local Chinese, the PIs and it's people are not meant for you.