Living in the Philippines

[Bill Buxton]

I am sure we will never know what happened here.I want to say that everytime a U.S.ship comes into port here the gals empty out and hitch a ride to the base looking for pesonality!

I could care less where this guy was from all I want you dick heads to know is this is not a thing about any country but what can happen any night to anyone of us.If you don't like the U.S. turn your head but lets see what country gets the next hit and lets run our SUCKS about that.

OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES EVERY ONE HAS ONE.

B.B...

[HenryV]

good analysis, based on the culture and all available info.

i was intrigued by the reports on "nicole" the alleged [CodeWord123] victim being a hooker.here is what came out,the mom is an employee of the philippine navy working in the personnel department for the last 25 years,while the dad runs a canteen on the zamboanga naval base.nope,this does not look like a bolshevik family to me.she was educated in private school then was in subic looking for adventure.the mom has apparently spent over a million pesos of their own money for expenses like airfare,lawyers expenses etc.this is the result of savings from their small business and her salary.apparently they have turned down a multi million peso offer to drop the case.as to whether it was [CodeWord123] or not,i have no idea whatsoever.but she is defenitely a middle class school girl on vacation from college,when this whole thing erupted.my source was a philippine navy lt commander assigned to the zamboanga naval station.he had eaten at the family canteen on several occasions and met the dad then."nicole "was present there at that time helping out

personally i dont believe it was a forced [CodeWord123],bur rather a girl from a conservative family getting dead drunk then waking up sober buck naked so screams [CodeWord123] to rationalize what she did.but that is my personal opinion.but honey trap,hooker she defenitely was not,more like a girl who should have not be going to where she should not be.

[Cebu Local]

i was intrigued by the reports on "nicole" the alleged [CodeWord123] victim being a hooker.here is what came out,the mom is an employee of the philippine navy working in the personnel department for the last 25 years,while the dad runs a canteen on the zamboanga naval base.nope,this does not look like a bolshevik family to me.she was educated in private school then was in subic looking for adventure.the mom has apparently spent over a million pesos of their own money for expenses like airfare,lawyers expenses etc.this is the result of savings from their small business and her salary.apparently they have turned down a multi million peso offer to drop the case.as to whether it was [CodeWord123] or not,i have no idea whatsoever.but she is defenitely a middle class school girl on vacation from college,when this whole thing erupted.my source was a philippine navy lt commander assigned to the zamboanga naval station.he had eaten at the family canteen on several occasions and met the dad then."nicole "was present there at that time helping out

personally i dont believe it was a forced [CodeWord123],bur rather a girl from a conservative family getting dead drunk then waking up sober buck naked so screams [CodeWord123] to rationalize what she did.but that is my personal opinion.but honey trap,hooker she defenitely was not,more like a girl who should have not be going to where she should not be.

[Robbaf]

I am not starting anything, just saying my opinion. I was in Olongapo for 30 day last April and I talked to a lot of store owners and locals and they seemed to not care about what happened, only how much money that I wanted to spend. I was never treated with any disrespect and every smile that I gave, I got in return.
I took a three day trip to Grande (sp) Island, off Subic Point and it was great. Only 3000P per night, with all food provided and a live band every night.
I also went into a lot of bars and never got anything but first class treatment. I just found out that I got a 6 month business trip (vacation) back to the PI and I am really happy to go again.
My point is: if you act like the ugly american (or ugly anything), you will be treated like one.

I also tell my 80 troops: Do not put yourself in a place where you can be charged with a crime. If you were not there, you cannot be accused of anything.

Stay safe,
Robb

[MasterBlaster]

the "honey trap" happen to be a non-prostitute college educated middle class woman on vacation with her sibling. with three highly regarded ex-senator lawyers and a feminists lawyer forming her legal team, she isn't part of anybody's scam.

about the scene of the crime, it is in the area of the old us naval base (now a multi-billion export processing zone) which got scrapped by a national referendum - which is more than enough of a statement to say "we don't want you here" - mainly because of the many atrocities american servicemen had committed back then; american servicemen were not able tell between a prostitute and a non-prostitute and a cow from a native. the people haven't forgotten. people already know about the "ugly american".

gentlemen:

bb makes several excellent points, most of this thing is a political motivated free for all, remember, there are four different seperatist movements in this country and none of them like the fact that us troops are here to make sure the "no ham for lunch bunch" don't get a bigger toe hold in the country than they already do, lest we forget our bolshevik freinds either, most of whom are behind the daily protests at the us embassy.

now for the real skinny, this "[CodeWord123]" thing stinks on ice, have any of you ever heard of a "honey trap?" well, that is what i think this one is, real simple, set up some idiot gi too inexperienced or dumb to know better, embarass the whole military and make and issue out of us troops in the first place. just add one shop worn ho' (btw, did any of you see the x rated video she made previous to this "[CodeWord123]"?) i understand it is available from the street vendors. seems she certainly didn't mind various cocks in various orifaces (sometimes all at once) before, that was a little suprise the defense sprung on the prosecution, it made the national news, the offensive parts cut of course, that is what caused the riff between her and the first lawyer. basically you have someone convicted for being stupid.

now some info for the rest of ye boyo's, have a care laddies, for devilment lurks in these hot lands, saints preserve us, the heathen are after a donnybrook with sons of the olde sod as well as ye highlander. meself was advised by a blocklish or two of a sad way the heathern were set upon ensaring a poor tim or two.

the heathen would be usin' a fair colleen to lure the poor lad to moro land, thinkin he was to meet his sweetie, then waylay the laddie and hold him for lucre, the way of the bastards, treacherous as a campbell, aye but that is the lay of it. so be careful ye who would venutre too deep in those devil sotted venues of cortobato, illigan or marawi, stay safe in the cradle east of those hellish places and pick yer joy junk from many the fair ones.

beware, scams and schemes abound as always, and many of the trulls are in league with law who are wayling the hagus eaters, this being the time of xmas and many a purse threadbare. make sure its a taxi of yer own choosin' not hers and if in doubt return her to the bar and report the episode to mamasan. just remember, he who holds the biggest wad of cash makes the rules.


regards

spamhog

[MasterBlaster]

don't feel bad about me. i know were i stand.

it doesn't happen to every foreigner anytime. not all foreigners would take a non-bargirl woman to a bar, have her drink until drunk, carry her in a van over his back, have sex with her in van, throws an unconscious woman out naked and admit to it.

with life imprisonment as punishment for a [CodeWord123] conviction in the philippines, your "friend" have all the reason to claim innocence. sh*t, i'd call myself a saint and everybody else a wh*re if i were in his shoes.

courts decide on guilt and not on innocence. the 3 who got away were found "not guilty" - doesn't mean they are innocent. let the 3 count their "blessings". it is a pity the court doesn't let the 3's "blessings" rub off to the convicted's benefit.

it doesn't matter what you or me think. the fact is he was convicted. justice? maybe. anyways, you already arrogantly assume that your "friend" would skip this mess. with the media title "first american serviceman to be convicted of [CodeWord123] in the philippines", i don't think he'd get out of this mess that easy.

i am quite sure i do know the details my friend and you maybe do not.this is a media circus and if you think otherwise i do feel bad for you.this is not an american flag thing but a thing that can happen to any foreigner at anytime here.what about what the japs did here or the germans did to the jew's.i am sure you have a greater wisdom of all these case's also.this is a shame and if it did happen to a honest schoolgirl i would be the first one in line to want justice for the victom.this is not the case in this matter.this cas is a smoke and mirrors deal and the gal is a bar **** in plain english.the guy's did not do the right thing and they all should be convicted not just one.this was a joke from the start and nothing more.she was working in a bar before this happenednd.i an sure she got raped by the bf customers everynight she went out from the bar if you want the truth.every time she went with one of us i am sure she did the deal for cash not love.why do you think the streets are full of gals when the boats,or plain's touch down here.the gals go by van or any possable way to the base's to meet there new found atm for a night or two and nothing more.can a bar gal get raped yes and can anygirl say she was raped the answer to that is also yes.

i am sure you think every gal that goes with you wants to spend the rest of her days with you right? thats fucking wrong!this is a fucked up mess by all the people involved and thats the facts.i got my facts from the mayors office 2 days after the thing happened and it was a mess then.i also know that in america all 4 guys would be going to jail if they did not stop the stupid friend from being an asshole.go figure.

this is not a finger pointing arena but a lession we can all use when it comes to getting what we might think we want.this cand and will happen more to foreighner here depending on the final outcome.lets hope we stay away from the cameras and the press in our happy new found life here in the p.i.

remember that this can be anyone of us when we bf any gal here.who will they beleave anyway you,me,or the sillypina!


b.b...

b.b...

[Spam Hog]

i am quite sure i do know the details my friend and you maybe do not.this is a media circus and if you think otherwise i do feel bad for you.this is not an american flag thing but a thing that can happen to any foreigner at anytime here.what about what the japs did here or the germans did to the jew's.i am sure you have a greater wisdom of all these case's also.this is a shame and if it did happen to a honest schoolgirl i would be the first one in line to want justice for the victom.this is not the case in this matter.this cas is a smoke and mirrors deal and the gal is a bar **** in plain english.the guy's did not do the right thing and they all should be convicted not just one.this was a joke from the start and nothing more.she was working in a bar before this happenednd.i an sure she got raped by the bf customers everynight she went out from the bar if you want the truth.every time she went with one of us i am sure she did the deal for cash not love.why do you think the streets are full of gals when the boats,or plain's touch down here.the gals go by van or any possable way to the base's to meet there new found atm for a night or two and nothing more.can a bar gal get raped yes and can anygirl say she was raped the answer to that is also yes.

i am sure you think every gal that goes with you wants to spend the rest of her days with you right? thats fucking wrong!this is a fucked up mess by all the people involved and thats the facts.i got my facts from the mayors office 2 days after the thing happened and it was a mess then.i also know that in america all 4 guys would be going to jail if they did not stop the stupid friend from being an asshole.go figure.

this is not a finger pointing arena but a lession we can all use when it comes to getting what we might think we want.this cand and will happen more to foreighner here depending on the final outcome.lets hope we stay away from the cameras and the press in our happy new found life here in the p.i.

remember that this can be anyone of us when we bf any gal here.who will they beleave anyway you,me,or the sillypina!


b.b...

b.b...

gentlemen:

bb makes several excellent points, most of this thing is a political motivated free for all, remember, there are four different seperatist movements in this country and none of them like the fact that us troops are here to make sure the "no ham for lunch bunch" don't get a bigger toe hold in the country than they already do, lest we forget our bolshevik freinds either, most of whom are behind the daily protests at the us embassy.

now for the real skinny, this "[CodeWord123]" thing stinks on ice, have any of you ever heard of a "honey trap?" well, that is what i think this one is, real simple, set up some idiot gi too inexperienced or dumb to know better, embarass the whole military and make and issue out of us troops in the first place. just add one shop worn ho' (btw, did any of you see the x rated video she made previous to this "[CodeWord123]"?) i understand it is available from the street vendors. seems she certainly didn't mind various cocks in various orifaces (sometimes all at once) before, that was a little suprise the defense sprung on the prosecution, it made the national news, the offensive parts cut of course, that is what caused the riff between her and the first lawyer. basically you have someone convicted for being stupid.

now some info for the rest of ye boyo's, have a care laddies, for devilment lurks in these hot lands, saints preserve us, the heathen are after a donnybrook with sons of the olde sod as well as ye highlander. meself was advised by a blocklish or two of a sad way the heathern were set upon ensaring a poor tim or two.

the heathen would be usin' a fair colleen to lure the poor lad to moro land, thinkin he was to meet his sweetie, then waylay the laddie and hold him for lucre, the way of the bastards, treacherous as a campbell, aye but that is the lay of it. so be careful ye who would venutre too deep in those devil sotted venues of cortobato, illigan or marawi, stay safe in the cradle east of those hellish places and pick yer joy junk from many the fair ones.

beware, scams and schemes abound as always, and many of the trulls are in league with law who are wayling the hagus eaters, this being the time of xmas and many a purse threadbare. make sure its a taxi of yer own choosin' not hers and if in doubt return her to the bar and report the episode to mamasan. just remember, he who holds the biggest wad of cash makes the rules.


regards

spamhog

[Billy Ibrox]

columbopuss: elementary, mah dear watson

lads: a wee word on the philippines' finest. what gives? we have all kinds of conflicting reports. spam hog speaks about a brotherhood (of thieves?). another guy speaks about being hijacked with a hooker and forced tae hand over a big wad o cash. more ae ye argue the toss abouot some yank getting done faer [CodeWord123] while his mates and kiddy lovers in angeles walk aroond free. others tell us of other shakedowns. whae fucking gives?

ah know the old bill there are on all kinds of scams. but shaking lads doon and taking their entire wad? and as for angeles, it seems the cops are just waiting to unload yer pockets.

ah reckon the locals are might upset at this gang [CodeWord123]. ah don't know about innocence or guilt but it's nae much an advertisement for taking a holiday there.

some lad gets waylaid by the cops. not pannelled by some made shemale in a back alley but stopped in a taxi with a lass. and lye ads say: what do fuck do ye expect; he had it coming tae him? fraem some of yer reports, a lad wd have tae be stark raving mad to go to the philippines. ye go fae a ride and a few scoops and ye end up doing life. not nice.

[Bill Buxton]

what money? maybe you should try taking a dick or broomstick up your ass. if ever, how much do you need as compensation? know the details so you could write intelligently.

it is a fact that many women were raped by american servicemen in korea, japan and the philippines. a few are serving their sentences in korea and japan and many cases were "white washed". just recently, an american soldier was convicted in a military court on [CodeWord123] and murder charges for [CodeWord125] a child and murdering her entire family http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/articlenew..._name=&no_ads= . if you're going to "wave flag", find something better; or, maybe so should try being a little more "human" than "american" and show some sympathy for the suffering of a human being.

i am quite sure i do know the details my friend and you maybe do not.this is a media circus and if you think otherwise i do feel bad for you.this is not an american flag thing but a thing that can happen to any foreigner at anytime here.what about what the japs did here or the germans did to the jew's.i am sure you have a greater wisdom of all these case's also.this is a shame and if it did happen to a honest schoolgirl i would be the first one in line to want justice for the victom.this is not the case in this matter.this cas is a smoke and mirrors deal and the gal is a bar **** in plain english.the guy's did not do the right thing and they all should be convicted not just one.this was a joke from the start and nothing more.she was working in a bar before this happenednd.i an sure she got raped by the bf customers everynight she went out from the bar if you want the truth.every time she went with one of us i am sure she did the deal for cash not love.why do you think the streets are full of gals when the boats,or plain's touch down here.the gals go by van or any possable way to the base's to meet there new found atm for a night or two and nothing more.can a bar gal get raped yes and can anygirl say she was raped the answer to that is also yes.

i am sure you think every gal that goes with you wants to spend the rest of her days with you right? thats fucking wrong!this is a fucked up mess by all the people involved and thats the facts.i got my facts from the mayors office 2 days after the thing happened and it was a mess then.i also know that in america all 4 guys would be going to jail if they did not stop the stupid friend from being an asshole.go figure.

this is not a finger pointing arena but a lession we can all use when it comes to getting what we might think we want.this cand and will happen more to foreighner here depending on the final outcome.lets hope we stay away from the cameras and the press in our happy new found life here in the p.i.

remember that this can be anyone of us when we bf any gal here.who will they beleave anyway you,me,or the sillypina!


b.b...

b.b...

[Columpuss]

Defacer

I'm not brave but practical. Brave is leaving your job and move to the PIs, with no financial backups, to find a job there. My case, I am experiencing a better quality of life than back home and will never have to wake up to the
anoying alarm sound and struggle to the office to see my "angelic" boss with the middle-finger face. I think I must have been a monk in my pass life to deserve retirement at 36.

Where I live is safer than the PIs, not necessarily means the PIs is unsafe. I would choose Manila over any major metropolitan US city in a heart beat as far as crime rates.

I've been traveling to SE Asia in the past 6 years and not much is unknown to me. The PIs is the ideal spot to live for mongering and for English speakers. Not much signing is needed.

Filipinos are extraordinary kind and friendly, BUT- they will not hesitate to ask for or expect you to pay for "things" once they know you. I think this is the island-culture thing. The haves are supposed to share with the not-haves.
It's up to you to find a way to handle it.

Subic is great, so is Baguio, Puerto Gallera, Bohol or Cebu. You need to stay for a few months to find out. The feeling is great when you start over, like being born again.

The answer for you and Steve 74: Read Billy Ibrox's post

Billy

What gives it away or you're just an amazing psychic. I am on my knees bowing.

[MasterBlaster]

what money? maybe you should try taking a dick or broomstick up your ass. if ever, how much do you need as compensation? know the details so you could write intelligently.

it is a fact that many women were raped by american servicemen in korea, japan and the philippines. a few are serving their sentences in korea and japan and many cases were "white washed". just recently, an american soldier was convicted in a military court on [CodeWord123] and murder charges for [CodeWord125] a child and murdering her entire family http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/articlenew..._name=&no_ads= . if you're going to "wave flag", find something better; or, maybe so should try being a little more "human" than "american" and show some sympathy for the suffering of a human being.

for all the know all rocket scientists here the trial is far from over.the superior court will here the charges against smith at a later date.and the other 3 guys are free to go now.so lets not count this deal over and done with just yet.lets see what the last breath is from the big bench over here.just remember guys this could be any one of us any time you mope around with a gal here.and the danger here is now they know it works,just fore a little while anyway.

i have seen worse done to bar galls in the bar than what happened to this chick.who she foolin anyhow.its about money and pointing a finger,thats all and why would they let 3 guys in the van go??? it would look bad if they all went free so lets keep at least 1 for the cameras.why can a pedefile walk around angeles city and have his name published in several local and international papers and still be free.the reason is money money money.money talks and people here walk and thats the bottom line.lets make an example of a guy from the strongest country in the world and show everybody what bad people they are.guys,don't cuss the farmer with your mouth full!



b.b...

stay sharp play safe and never get in a corner without a window to climb out.

b.b...

[Billy Ibrox]

Lads,

I have tae agree with Columpuss who is probably in South Vietnam now. Genius8 is talking about dropping $2000 a month. Faer fuck's sake lads. That is big fucking dough there. You would be pisisng more than most high enders earn there. As I see it, ye have a few choices. Ye can live like Columpuss, cheaply and with more pussy than yue can handle. Or ye can live in yer own wee world, with other expats and blow wads of cash awae every fucking month.

Cop yerselves on lads. Ye could live in a civilised world for $2,000 a month. Why waste it living in a place ye dinnae belong and will never belong?

[Steve74]

Dafacer

My 2 cents
I am in my mid 30s. No pension, retirement, SS but just a few bucks in my CD to make me about $500 a month in interest. Six months ago I put 3 pairs of jean and shirts in a back pack, canceled everything, laughed in my boss'es face, threw my IT career away, and left.

After wandering around the PIs for 3 months, I am currently living in one metropolitan area in another SE asian country, less dangerous and with more superior cusine, with rent of about $130 a month in a 6x30 meter house with a small front yard. Ulitility + 60 channel cable + Adsl connection = $20. I do most of the cooking and eat out couple times a week and all amount to about $100. Short time around here is about $20 with decent quality which I only need once a week. The rest is whatever. I can do this in the phillipines also but not manila of course, and do this for a long time.

If I had to compare myself to a typical local with 2 kids making around $200 a months then I would say I am too blessed. Defacer, unless you are on crank or have major medical problem, with your budget, you should live like a king there until you decide to get marry again, then nothing is enough.

Man, don't worry about petty stuff like clothes and shoes, the tailors there can do wonder. You are in your 40's, still a kid by today's standard, just go. Either the North Korean or the Iranian will send their missiles your way soon so live for today.

I wish you all the luck

Columpuss - Great post. I admire you for taking the chance and just moving. I've been considering it myself although I need to save up more money first. Most of my savings is in a retirement account which I can't touch for close to 20 years without penalty. I'm also curious as to what country you're in now if you don't mind letting us know.

[Sammon]

There are chinese "babes". But they are mostly mixed Chinese - philippino. Regular chinese girls do not prostitute because they are in a higher economic caliber.

[Dafacer]

http://website.lineone.net/~philwpag.../rent/rent.htm

For easy calculations, use a 50-1 conversion. The above will allow you to rent around P22,000/mo ($440). Eat like a native in restaurants (Chinatown has good chinese food for all price range) can be had for P500/day (P15,000/mo $300). Utilities (electricity, cellphone) allocate P5,000 ($100). You dont need a maid. Add up various toiletries, haircut, misc P3,000 ($60). This will add up to P45,000 ($900). Which leaves you $900 for other activities.

Shagging in an inexpensive MP in chinatown will be about $30-50 each time. 3/wk x 4week = 12 x 50 = $600. You got $300 for your other hobbies.

Genius, thanks for the breakdown, very helpful...where is this chinatown you mention, and are there actually chinese babes to be had?