Angeles City - 2002 Reports

[AsiaTraveler2]

Just got back from LOS. Visited Poseidon, Emmanuelle, Cupidy and of course bar fined some girls from Nana. I also tried No.1 Bangkok Models .. escort service. I arrived in BKK very late .. 2:00am and did not what to leave the hotel. Just wanted to shower, relax, and wait for the girl to arrive. Had to pay 4,000 baht for the service, but it ended up as the best experience I have had to date. The girl was a 7 in the looks dept. and a 8 in the body dept. We just hit if off, though, and it worked out great. I'm one of those that don't worry about price .. generally tip the girls 1,000-2,000 baht. I just don't like to haggle, over something that means far more to the girls than it does to me. I'm looking forward to a return trip in January! Oh .. still rate Poseidon and Emmanuelle A++++, Cupidy a notch below. Prices were between 2,200 and 2.400 baht.

[Iceman27]

Prog,

Shoot. You should have told me you were in SFO...could have picked you up and escorted you to a very nice AMP by the airport. Would have made the layover worth it after the long flight from NRT. How long was the stop? Still need those dates from you. By the wording of your message to FD, looks like MAR or APR is definitely out for you? No way I can make FEB...have a conference to attend when you are going. Let's try to synch this. I might be able to push out to May (if it is early in the month).

Anyone else plan on hitting it in MAR or APR?

Iceman

[Firedick]

Hey Prog,

Welcome home. Good timing. Tapioca and Dick Johnson (from the BKK board) and I are heading down to TJ Tuesday night the 17th. Join us.

You actually had 3 friends mugged or pickpocketed on one trip ?!?
Living there and then combining all my trips, I've prbably got 3 years "in country". I've never been mugged or burgled. I was pickpocketed once In Sabang (strange coincidence since I just recommended it). My own F'n fault. I was wearing one of those water proof cylinders on a line around my neck. But I grew tired of it and stuffed it into my pocket. I was drunk as a skunk and had girls hanging all over me all night. Big surprize (not) that it was gone when it came time to pay my bill.

May is 90% for Thailand. 50/50 whether I can swing a side trip to the RP.

FD

[Progman]

FD,

So May is a definite? Do you have any dates in mind? My Feb trip will be Feb 14 - Mar 2. I haven't decided on May dates yet so let me know what days are best for you. Yes, I'm back in San Diego. I was able to catch a flight off that ship on the 12th (Japan time). They flew me into Atsugi. From there I trained it to Narita and caught a 7:00 PM flight to SFO. I just landed a couple hours ago. You still up for a TJ run? This weekend isn't good for me because of my son's football game but I can break away for a few hours anytime the following week or weekend.

To add to your Thailand/PI assessment:

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Thailand Pros:
It's cheaper to get there from the USA.

Thailand Cons:
Every bar will try to pad your bill. It's a cultural thing in regards to Farangs. They just assume we're walking ATMs and can spare a few extra Baht.

Philippine Pros:
The GFE experience cannot be overemphasized.

Philippine Cons:
The crime rate is out of control. Three of my buddies got mugged or pick-pocketed on my last trip.
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Dana,

A lot of Filipinas do not compare, in the looks department, to Thai chicks but more than make up for it in the GFE department. That being said, I too, am surprised you didn't spot any lookers. Did you check out Blue Nile? How about Nero's Forum? I know Champagne and Volcano have a few knockouts. Even the smaller clubs have some beauties. Tell us where you went, what time you hit the bars. What was your frame of mind? How did you dress? Cleanliness is a big factor in the PI. If you are clean shaven and have a neat haircut that's about all it takes to attract the girls. A great attitude and smile also goes a loooong way... Don't give up on AC!


All,

The rest of my trip report will be out in a few days. I'm afraid, however, that too much time has passed so the remaining details will be sketchy at best.


...(prog)

[Randy Farang]

Firedick, Thanks for the suggestions. Over the years I have heard far too many stories from military types who sang the praises of the LBFMs (Milspeak for Little Brown F***ing Machines) in the P.I. It has always been high on my list of places I NEED to get to before someone cuts off my air. Randy

[Firedick]

Randy Farang,

You must have meant "semi" retired !

For "total immersion" in both activities, it's tough to beat Sabang Beach, Puerto Galera. There are better places for both activities but none offer the nighlife and diving combo within such a small area. Everything is an easy walk. Plus, it's pretty simple getting there from Manila.

If money is not a huge concern, the Atlantis Resort is my favorite. $30 a night and up. If money is tight, you can easily find someplace half that.

Cebu Local might know someplace comparable down his way.

Good hunting and safe diving,

FD

[Randy Farang]

Firedick, After seeing your posts in several places, I hope you might be able to make a few suggestions to a retired hobbiest, who is also an occasional diver, on good spots to spend a week or so. I've been to Bangkok, and liked the experience and the people, but hated the traffic. Been to Seoul, loved Hooker Hill but hated the traffic. Been to Macau, loved Darling and the washy-washy girls.

What's good in the P.I. for exercising both of my hobbies?
Thanks for any help. Randy

[Firedick]

Dana,

We don't really "flame" here. This is the "kinder, gentler board". :)

Opinions of all tastes are welcome. And that is really what it boils down to. I agree with you about the beauty of the Thai girls (Singaporans too, but that's another story). It's the attitude and the use of English that makes the Filapina more desireable to me. But I get fed up with both ! That's why I go back and forth.

But, if you didn't find ANY beauties in AC, you were either very unlucky, or just didn't try hard enough. (That sounded like a cram, but was not meant as one).

Is this your first trip to Asia ?

Both countries have a lot to offer and have shortcomings. My take in a nutshell (but by no means shared by all who post here):

Thailand Pros:

Better food, hands down

Better infrastructure, transportation, banking, phones, shopping.

More culture/history, for non WSG travel

Marginally better looking girls

Cleaner

Cons:

The girls are mercenary.

More expensive beer. (Most things are comparably priced and some even cheaper, like hotels, but beer is a large expense for me).

Language barrier, but not a big problem in touristed areas.
Almost no chance of meeting/dating non working girls.

Philippines Pros:
Very friendly, playful girls. Not just the working girls. You get flirted with everywhere ! Great for the ego.

Very cheap beer and local spirits. They make great rum.
English spoken everywhere. Street signage too. English is the official language of business. So if you have a contract, rental car/bike policy, lease, etc... it's in English.

They drive on the right side of the street. (maybe that's a "con" for you ;) )

Slightly better weather.

Cons:
"Any girl can be a dancer". I have seen girls on stage in the Philippines that had no business being there. That's one thing I can't remember seeing in Thailand. No real "dogs" on stage.

Pollution, especially common trash. Pinoys litter like crazy.

Theft/security. Slightly worse than Thailand. But, in many many trips, my only physical confrontations have been with other Westerners.

What I would call equal (again, I'll get some disagreements here).
Beaches and diving. Ease of visiting for the first timer. You'll have a blast both places, with the right frame of mind. Overall expense.

If it was just the girls. It would be the Philippines for me.

I know I missed some things guys, please add.

Hope this helps.

FD

[Dana]

I don't wanna get flamed over this, but I really had to chime in when that guy asked the question Thailand or Phillipines. I only spent 4 days in Angeles city going through almost every bar on Fields Avenue and did not see a single girl that I thought was hot enough to barfine. Maybe it was just an off week, but the women were friggin dogs. They were very friendly and sweet, but just not pretty at all. I changed my vacation plans and headed straight for Thailand where there are beautiful women everywhere.

I did spend two days prior to that in Manila, and there were some really hot babes at the EDSA complex, but I didn't see any like that in A.C.

I know alot of guys love Angleles city, but personally I thought the women were ugly and in bad shape physically(flabby bellys everywhere!!!). Having said that, it was a fun atmosphere, and I'd like to give Angeles city another chance someday to see if I just visited on an off week or something.

[StudPlayer]

to criminal_Bush:

you pose a question comparing apples and oranges.... where in philippines, where in thailand...

angeles city is great... excellent gf experiences to be had... with modest hotel prices and modest bar fines...

manila and cebu, i have some but limited experience so i will not comment...

pattaya... have had some memorable trips and the best sessions with thai girls ever... ever!... but, and largely due to the language barrier in thailand, thai experiences tend to be less gf and more business like... again modest hotel prices and modest bar fines...

bangkok.... speaks for itself...sorry i could not resist that small joke there....generally more expensive than pattaya and in my opinion, more hit and miss... but this is just my experience...

two of the three best lays i have ever had have been in pattaya... the third in was in bangkok....

but overall, angeles has been the most fun partly due to the fact you never know what type of "good" trouble you are going to get into with some sweet innocent young philippina you just happen upon on the street .... this type of experience generally does not happen in thailand (in large part due to the language barrier) ...

average quality in philippines is probably better than thailand but the occasional top flight experiences have been thai... the best experiences in angeles have been excellent but still the best experiences in pattaya take the cake...

my best suggestion is try both.... different strokes for different folks and all... and let us know how it turns out...

last time i went i got a business class ticket on philippine airlines for us$1600, round trip from lax to bangkok via manila.... stopped in pi for a couple weeks, went to thailand for a couple weeks, back to philippines for a month and then back to lax... even got upgraded to first class from manila back to lax (just by being nice and asking) ... to be honest, philippine air's first class is more like other airlines business class... there are no restrictions on changing your flight schedule with business class so when you are ready to go, you go...

[Cambodia Pro]

Phillipines or Thailand. Can't decide!

For those who have been to both places,

Which one did you like best???

[Whistle830]

Thanks FD;

Yes, as I recall in '95 there didn't seem to be much happening. I managed to sneak out of a shopping trip for a couple of hours in Makati and popped into a place called The Imperial Bath House. Unfortunately, the girls were all behind a glass wall and most appeared bored. I gave the place a pass.
I also spent a week on Boracay. Since I was having an adventure tour, I spent most of my time snorkling, hiking, etc. and didn't check out the bar scene until the last night. Things had really changed on Boracay since 1986 as the club (really just a beach bar with a dance floor) was full of attractive working girls. This is my preference as I can get a chance to know them a little bit. Picking a girl from behind a sheet of glass is really lame.
I was also in Subic Bay. This was a little strange. I stayed in a converted officers hotel in the duty free zone. Across the street was a Karaoke Bar. A was a little drunk when I wondered into the place after spending a few hours in a local casino so I may not be entirely clear on the details. The Karaoke Bar had individual rooms and, for about US$100.00, you could take a girl into one of the rooms and "sing" with her. After speaking with the hostess for a while, I had a difficult time understanding what exactly I was getting. Besides that, US$100.00 is about $160.00 Canadian and pretty steep for PI. I'm also aware that there are a lot of wacky Japanese tourists around that might just be paying a c-note to sing karaoke with a local girl so there was the chance I'd spend 100 bucks to sing Happy, Happy Talk (if you've seen "South Pacific" you should be laughing hysterically by now).
I also called up the hotel massage service and once again was mystified. Either she didn't catch my hints or there really wasn't any extra service. We had a long conversation about sex which turned into a long conversation about sex.
Fortunately, I now have the WSG as a source of information before I go poking about in unfamiliar territory. Gotta find out about that karaoke place...
Whistle

[Firedick]

Whistle830,

You didn't miss much in 95. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong fellow posters) that it was 1995 that saw a real downturn. The RP got some bad international press and closed a lot of places up. Angeles had girls on stage in street clothes ! I shit you not.

Things are, thankfully, back to normal. Bikini's on stage with a few topless girls scrambling for their tops if what looks like a cop is coming in. Yeah, they still have a lookout with a buzzer.

March is a maybe, May is definate and November is too far out to think about. My first trip was in 91. A lot of changes, especially since you were there during some tumultuous (yeah...I looked up the spelling !) times.

Wingman ? Think of me more as a forward controller....

FD

[Whistle830]

I've been to PI twice. First time was in 1986 about a month after Marcos was overthrown. It was an interesting time as my friend and I were the only tourists in the country. I had my first taste of Filipina honey and have been addicted ever since. Fortunately, I've been able to quench my thirst in Canada but I've always wanted to go back to the free-for-all that I experienced in '86.
1995 was my next trip but I was traveling with a family and never got a chance to check out the action.
I plan on heading to Angeles City sometime in 2003 either in March or Nov. If anyone is planning a trip for '03, let me know - I could use a wingman.
I'm an experienced traveler in the 3rd world and have managed to keep out of the bad trouble and find the good trouble.
Whistle

[Progman]

Bud,

I thought you did pretty well for a rookie. I don't think my first trip to AC was as entertaining as what you got yourself into. I wish I had a picture of you when the three Kitten Club girls were giving you a body shot!

Wait until your third or forth trip. Those are the best. After that the girls start to notice and remember your name. There are good and bad points to that...

...(prog)