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[LookslikeLE]

Stopped by Hong Kong the other day. Just missed the girls with the shaving cream. The place is a lot more fun than AB and I like the way the girls don’t just wait for you they come calling.

Picked up this girl just because of her can-do attitude.

[Phordphan]

Some of the regular chicas I go to, don't charge until the end. They don't even mention money until we are finished and start dressing up. Which I like, cause this one girl I frequent is a real sweetheart in bed. GFe all the way. And I think negotiating kind of ruins the mood. After all, we know they're all faking upstairs which for me is already a mood killer and getting them to work(most likely a job they aren't very fond of) for less is yet another mood killing thought penetrating the back of my head. But that's just me. Which is why I like to go with this one girl even though we both know that I'm going to pay her the regular $60. Cause even though she's faking she seems concerned about me getting off. And no mention of money happens until afterwards so from the point we meet until we head upstairs and do the deed, it feels like a total date and sex with a girlfriend. One that I give money to afterwards though. :P

I agree absolutely. The best experiences go pretty much in this fashion. It's great to have a regular where both parties trust each other and things can proceed "normally." (I use the term loosely )

It's true about the mood-killing of dickering. That's why I differentiate between negotiating and haggling. You shouldn't approach it as a war, trying to squeeze every last peso out of the deal. I just do some friendly give-and-take. "$60? Oooh, muy caro. <smile> Soy pobre. No tengo, etc., etc." All in good fun. It usually results in anywhere from $10 - $20 off the asking price. It certainly doesn't seem to reduce the service. And, they often get some of it back in tips, if things go really well. After all, this is Mexico. Everybody negotiates for everything. Have you ever sold a car to a Mexican?

PP

[Efjayel]

Some of the regular chicas I go to, don't charge until the end. They don't even mention money until we are finished and start dressing up. Which I like, cause this one girl I frequent is a real sweetheart in bed. GFe all the way. And I think negotiating kind of ruins the mood. After all, we know they're all faking upstairs which for me is already a mood killer and getting them to work(most likely a job they aren't very fond of) for less is yet another mood killing thought penetrating the back of my head. But that's just me. Which is why I like to go with this one girl even though we both know that I'm going to pay her the regular $60. Cause even though she's faking she seems concerned about me getting off. And no mention of money happens until afterwards so from the point we meet until we head upstairs and do the deed, it feels like a total date and sex with a girlfriend. One that I give money to afterwards though. :P

[Phordphan]

What you are doing is pure phsycologic satisfaction for your persona.
"Up-front negotiating" is no different from paying right there before anything goes on.
Ok, you are giving her the money afterwards, but I don't think you've noticed at the end it is done on her terms, not yours.
If it would be on your terms, it would be any amount you establish for any time limit you say.

I'm not sure I completely agree. Maybe I didn't phrase it too well.

Negotiating is just that. Not just accepting whatever the girl offers and running upstairs. They all quote $60, for instance, but I rarely pay that cuz I negotiate (not haggle).

I alway establish the amount of time I want, up front. If she doesn't want to, she walks. It's a free and open exchange. The price is the same way. I want to pay $0. She wants $500. We meet somewhere in the middle, nearer my number than hers. Again, free and open exchange. If my max price is too low, she walks. And vice versa. But this is done in advance, to prevent "misunderstandings" later. It may not be 100% my terms, but the terms are mutually agreed upon.

However, the transaction isn't complete until everything is finished. And that's where my terms DO apply. You certainly wouldn't hire a contractor to paint your house, then pay him up front. You lose all leverage, and probably wind up with a non-painted house. The same goes for the girl. She's now "contracted" to provide a service. When the service is provided, she gets the money. No service, no money.

So, I would assert that the transaction was conducted based upon mutually-agreed-upon terms, but that payment was made based upon my terms. Then everybody is happy.

PP

[Efjayel]

pussy is hard to resist.

[MonterreyDude]

"You're right about the up-front negotiating, especially in TJ. One should always establish the price and time"

What you are doing is pure phsycologic satisfaction for your persona.
"Up-front negotiating" is no different from paying right there before anything goes on.
Ok, you are giving her the money afterwards, but I don't think you've noticed at the end it is done on her terms, not yours.
If it would be on your terms, it would be any amount you establish for any time limit you say.

"Walk away from her"... now that is another story.
That is a total coherent argument that many should write down and do before getting the short end of the stick.
I've never understood why so many mongers opt to pay for bad deals instead of cutting the deal short and looking for something better.
I've seen son many come out saying "oh, it was horrible".

Why is it so hard to tell a ho "no" when you gut is telling you "don't do it"???

If your pants are down and she's nekkid, it's gone too far!

If they're gonna demand the $$ up front, they almost always ask for it before the clothes come off. That's the time to walk, and tell the manger she changed the deal.

And I couldn't care less how hot she is, and I don't care how many dopey gringos overpay and pay up front. It's my money and we'll do it my way. There's so much pussy in TJ that there's no point in getting worked up over a particular one.

You're right about the up-front negotiating, especially in TJ. One should always establish the price and time, up front. In-room surprises are no fun.

PP

[Phordphan]

It depends on the girl, most want the dough up front, I think negotiating in the bar is the way to go.
The real hot ones always want money first. Yes they can walk out on you especially if the bar is packed with customers.

I want to warn you people that if your pants are down and she got naked and then you decide to cancel the deal for whatever reason, she can complain to the manager that you refused to pay her, I got an AB girl
like that once she even threated me on calling the TJ cops, I stood firm and wasn't scare, still have to do a lot of explanation to the manager, and he told me to give her a $20 to cool things down

So you see they're always on the girl side no matter what happened, so dealing ahead of time before going into the room is best, it won't guarantee you that she later turn into a ROB upstairs and do things different, there's a few Robs working the bars, the ones from hottie central in Adelita are the ones more likely to rip you off.

IHMO paying for an hour in AB is wasting money, most girls will rush you to go back downstairs before the hour.
If you got your Fav girl things can be good for the whole hour, but if you never been with the same girl before you'll be rush, no matter how much time you paid.

If your pants are down and she's nekkid, it's gone too far!

If they're gonna demand the $$ up front, they almost always ask for it before the clothes come off. That's the time to walk, and tell the manger she changed the deal.

And I couldn't care less how hot she is, and I don't care how many dopey gringos overpay and pay up front. It's my money and we'll do it my way. There's so much pussy in TJ that there's no point in getting worked up over a particular one.

You're right about the up-front negotiating, especially in TJ. One should always establish the price and time, up front. In-room surprises are no fun.

PP

[Member #4450]

I think you were fortunate that the session went well. There seem to be a lot of stories about really crummy sessions where the guy paid up front.

My theory is that one should never pay up front cuz once the money changes hands you lose 100% of any advantage you may have. She can go starfish, refuse to perform, leave early, etc., and there's nothing you can do about it.

I've had many insist on money up front. After politely refusing a few times, if they still insist, I'm the one grabbing my pants and heading for the door. And I've never had one let me walk. If they were to let me walk, I would figure that it wasn't going to be any good anyway, and that there are, literally, hundreds of other girls available.

Let me add that I have no problem showing them the money, or even placing it on the dresser, or someplace (kinda like escrow ). But it never goes into the purse until afterwards.

PP

It depends on the girl, most want the dough up front, I think negotiating in the bar is the way to go.
The real hot ones always want money first. Yes they can walk out on you especially if the bar is packed with customers.

I want to warn you people that if your pants are down and she got naked and then you decide to cancel the deal for whatever reason, she can complain to the manager that you refused to pay her, I got an AB girl
like that once she even threated me on calling the TJ cops, I stood firm and wasn't scare, still have to do a lot of explanation to the manager, and he told me to give her a $20 to cool things down

So you see they're always on the girl side no matter what happened, so dealing ahead of time before going into the room is best, it won't guarantee you that she later turn into a ROB upstairs and do things different, there's a few Robs working the bars, the ones from hottie central in Adelita are the ones more likely to rip you off.

IHMO paying for an hour in AB is wasting money, most girls will rush you to go back downstairs before the hour.
If you got your Fav girl things can be good for the whole hour, but if you never been with the same girl before you'll be rush, no matter how much time you paid.

[Phordphan]

Another fuzzy camera phone pic of the divine Ms. Z.

[Ricelover]

This is Evelyn from AB. Not my usual taste but she looked like someone I worked with so I thought it would be fun, and it was. Another nice girl who also works hard upstairs.

Any idea if Evelynn is still around? I will be in Tijuana may 14-18 for the first time ever, I am from NYC. She is just my type. Chino looking latina. What's a good place to stay in Tijuana, any thoughts?

[Phordphan]

I was with this girl in AB once, persistent that I go with her. I blew her off at first. She then offered me a two for one deal. Basically two pops for the price of one. $60 for two pops and $40 if it was only one pop. I went for the two. She insisted I pay up front so I gave her the $60. I took a while to pop the first time and once I did she started to dress. So I reminded her of the two pops and she just said that I took too long the first time and that I tired her out. And she left.

It was my fault for having given her the money up front and to have given her $60 in the beginning. The smart thing to do was to tell her that I pay after and if she "requires" payment up front then I should have at least given her the $40 and said that I would give her the rest only if I did pop twice.

Paying up front is required for some girls cause I recall on a trip to AB this one girl I wanted to be with, I went up to her but got cock blocked by some old dude. Figuring that he got to her like a second before I did, I let him have her. Upstairs they went, but no more than 5 minutes later that girl had came back looking for me and told me that once they got upstairs the old man insisted on paying afterwards and she refused and walked out on him. When I went with her, she also made me pay up front. She wasn't a great looker but was really nice upstairs. I'd definitely repeat with her. Damn I forget her name.

I think you were fortunate that the session went well. There seem to be a lot of stories about really crummy sessions where the guy paid up front.

My theory is that one should never pay up front cuz once the money changes hands you lose 100% of any advantage you may have. She can go starfish, refuse to perform, leave early, etc., and there's nothing you can do about it.

I've had many insist on money up front. After politely refusing a few times, if they still insist, I'm the one grabbing my pants and heading for the door. And I've never had one let me walk. If they were to let me walk, I would figure that it wasn't going to be any good anyway, and that there are, literally, hundreds of other girls available.

Let me add that I have no problem showing them the money, or even placing it on the dresser, or someplace (kinda like escrow ). But it never goes into the purse until afterwards.

PP

[Efjayel]

I was with this girl in AB once, persistent that I go with her. I blew her off at first. She then offered me a two for one deal. Basically two pops for the price of one. $60 for two pops and $40 if it was only one pop. I went for the two. She insisted I pay up front so I gave her the $60. I took a while to pop the first time and once I did she started to dress. So I reminded her of the two pops and she just said that I took too long the first time and that I tired her out. And she left.

It was my fault for having given her the money up front and to have given her $60 in the beginning. The smart thing to do was to tell her that I pay after and if she "requires" payment up front then I should have at least given her the $40 and said that I would give her the rest only if I did pop twice.

Paying up front is required for some girls cause I recall on a trip to AB this one girl I wanted to be with, I went up to her but got cock blocked by some old dude. Figuring that he got to her like a second before I did, I let him have her. Upstairs they went, but no more than 5 minutes later that girl had came back looking for me and told me that once they got upstairs the old man insisted on paying afterwards and she refused and walked out on him. When I went with her, she also made me pay up front. She wasn't a great looker but was really nice upstairs. I'd definitely repeat with her. Damn I forget her name.

[Phordphan]

good job, keep firm on the deal.
btw, did you get multis, i had a few ab that b.s me about one service only, i said wtf i paid for an hour of fuck not just friendly company,
i can't understand taking a whole hour to pop once, i'm sure quality is better than quantity, but if i paid for an hour i'm expecting a few rounds, so watch out with this dirty trick, it happened to me once before in ab and in a hotel outcall escort.
do i really need to ask the girl in advance that if i'm paying for an hour it means more than one pop?
i thought it was common sense?

hmm. actually, i think most girls figure it's for one pop, regardless of time remaining on the clock. it's probably best to make sure of that up front. i'm with you and i think that if you pay for an hour, you get an hour. but a lot on the girls don't always share my views.

i usually like to take my time, get to know them a bit, etc. if things go well, the hour still flys by. but the 1/2 hour sessions kinda remind me of playing speed chess. but it's still better than a 15 min. quickie in the alley. not that there's anything wrong with quickies!

pp

[Dornyone]

HT, that's pretty much standard, you pop, you're done. My buddy negotiated an hour at Purple Rain with a spinnerl, 15 mins later (I timed it for grins) he was back, very upset. If I have an hour to kill and want to use all of it, I ask for a back rub to set the mood LOL! She's anxious to get me off so she can leave and I'm wanting more pressure!

[Member #4450]

I paid $80 for an hour. Once in the room she pissed and moaned and tried to convince me that I didn't understand and that it was $100 for the hour, and that it was cash in advance. But, I put my foot down and said that we agreed on $80, that I NEVER pay in advance, and if that wasn't OK, I was going to walk.
PP

Good job, keep firm on the deal.
BTW, did you get multis, I had a few AB that B.S me about one service only, I said WTF I paid for an hour of fuck not just friendly company,
I can't understand taking a whole hour to pop once, I'm sure quality is better than quantity, but if I paid for an hour I'm expecting a few rounds, so watch out with this dirty trick, it happened to me once before in AB and in a hotel outcall escort.
Do I really need to ask the girl in advance that if I'm paying for an hour it means more than one pop?
I thought it was common sense?