China Women - Opinions and Advice

[Clean Gene]

I'm a third generation ABC, and I would never. Ever consider myself as an asian Laowai.

The "lao" is usually an honorific. Think 'Sir Wai', or 'Lord Wai' or even 'Don Wai'. Like 'Sir John', 'Lord John' or 'Don Juan'. For Asians you got to be 'laotou' or 'laoban' which is 'boss' or 'chief'. Japanese used to be honorary 'laowai' before WWII. Just like Japanese used to be 'white' in South Africa while Chinese were 'colored'. (This was still true when I lived there. Buses had to stop for 'whites' but not for 'coloreds', creating some confusion when it came to Japanese and Chinese. Most drivers could easily tell however. Dress and posture as well as color and facial hair.)

[SE Asia Joe]

MARK White, he introduces himself as "Mark White". Not Daniel. Sheesh, get your story straight, Joe.

Good God Wadman - of course I remember - and I on purpose went ahead and changed it to protect MARK.. NIce one that you've now gone ahead and announced it here.

The important part of the story is his last name - not his first name!

So - Mark - sorry - but you've now gotta change your name.... thanks to good ole Wadman!!

I guess now I'm gonna introduce myself as Joe Brown!!

SEAJ

[Wadman]

On the other hand, I just met up with a great guy from the States who just happens to be of Indian (northern part!) extraction and we were discussing just this topic. Whilst his features are not distinctly Indian, he goes ahead and ramp-up his "attractiveness quotient" by calling himself Daniel White! Yup - "WHITE" is his last name when he introduces himself - from the States - and "BAM" the gal immediately thinks he's a white Laowai!!

I immediately knew Daniel was of Indian extraction when I first met him - but for these Chinese gals, their exposure to the different nationalities are still quite limited - and most of the prejudice that they have just mirrors other's opinions - and they readily think that Daniel is of European extraction!!

SEAJ

MARK White, he introduces himself as "Mark White". Not Daniel. Sheesh, get your story straight, Joe.

[SE Asia Joe]

They meant Asian living in western country. Not really considered Laowai in the sense that Chinese people think " laowai" as caucasian race.

Asians are considered as asians irrespective of which country they live or hold the passport.

YOu guys are forgetin' that there IS a large variety of "Asians" - Chinese/Taiwanese, Japanese, Korean - considered to be "whiter skinned = more desireable, to the dark skinned = less disireable Indian, Pakistani, Native Malaysian Indonesian - and the middlin' Thai, Filipino etc.

And yes - the fact of the matter is that darker skinned "Asian Laowai" do have a harder time than the whiter skinned ones! It's also a matter of features of the different Asian nationalities - with the Northern Asians considered to be of more refined/fine features.

On the other hand, I just met up with a great guy from the States who just happens to be of Indian (northern part!) extraction and we were discussing just this topic. Whilst his features are not distinctly Indian, he goes ahead and ramp-up his "attractiveness quotient" by calling himself Daniel White! Yup - "WHITE" is his last name when he introduces himself - from the States - and "BAM" the gal immediately thinks he's a white Laowai!!

I immediately knew Daniel was of Indian extraction when I first met him - but for these Chinese gals, their exposure to the different nationalities are still quite limited - and most of the prejudice that they have just mirrors other's opinions - and they readily think that Daniel is of European extraction!!

SEAJ

[Sound Stream #2]

Today I met some of the German fellows around the bar and had a chat during chat. And on the topic of mongering, they said it's easy for laowai to bait. Even though I am a laowai too, since I am an Asian laowai, they say Chinese women won't be preferring me. Is it true?

They don't prefer you because you have low self confidence.

The fact that you have to ask this question told me that.

All women in general like "strong" men who are sure of themselves.

I'm a overseas Chinese, and when I go to China, the women absolutely love me! They think I'm funny, good looking, and exciting to be with.

And with the advantage of me blending in, and being able to speak some Chinese, I have a huge advantage over those Germans you met at the bar.

I find that getting women to like you and go out with you in China is so rediculously easy.

Basically if you like yourself, and am happy with who you are, you will be attractive to woman.

[Mmlouie]

They meant Asian living in western country. Not really considered Laowai
in the sense that Chinese people think " laowai" as caucasian race.
Asians are considered as asians irrespective of which country they live or hold the passport.

Thank you for the explanation, Sammon. This would be the first time I heard of that terminology being used, Chinese usually just considered us as "华侨" or an overseas Chinese. But what the heck do I know?

Mmlouie

[Bnlee2]

Today I met some of the German fellows around the bar and had a chat during chat. And on the topic of mongering, they said it's easy for laowai to bait. Even though I am a laowai too, since I am an Asian laowai, they say Chinese women won't be preferring me. Is it true?

Nutty T.

You got some serious identity problem issues.

You sound like a "banana" to me.

[Bnlee2]

They meant Asian living in western country. Not really considered Laowai in the sense that Chinese people think " laowai" as caucasian race.

Asians are considered as asians irrespective of which country they live or hold the passport.

I'm a third generation ABC, and I would never. Ever consider myself as an asian Laowai.

[Sammon]

Just curious, what is Asian laowai?

Mmlouie

They meant Asian living in western country. Not really considered Laowai in the sense that Chinese people think " laowai" as caucasian race.

Asians are considered as asians irrespective of which country they live or hold the passport.

[LittleGoomba]

Today I met some of the German fellows around the bar and had a chat during chat. And on the topic of mongering, they said it's easy for laowai to bait. Even though I am a laowai too, since I am an Asian laowai, they say Chinese women won't be preferring me. Is it true?

In some circumstances, yes, in general, not true.

[Mmlouie]

Today I met some of the German fellows around the bar and had a chat during chat. And on the topic of mongering, they said it's easy for laowai to bait. Even though I am a laowai too, since I am an Asian laowai, they say Chinese women won't be preferring me. Is it true?

Just curious, what is Asian laowai?

Mmlouie

[Nutty Trotter]

Today I met some of the German fellows around the bar and had a chat during chat. And on the topic of mongering, they said it's easy for laowai to bait. Even though I am a laowai too, since I am an Asian laowai, they say Chinese women won't be preferring me. Is it true?

[Cunning Stunt]

... I mean to give up a decent woman only to chase after the filth we brag about on these boards is ridiculous ...

You might regard them as 'filth' but even the most misogynistic members of ISG do tends to have a little more respect for these girls.

If I'm wrong please feel free to flame me!

[Clean Gene]

Hate to point this out

OK, the reality of actual life in the U.S. is perhaps not as pretty - but you gotta also understand that most of Europe does have a much higher cost of living index vs. the U.S. plus a generally higher rate of taxation.... which makes it harder for a newly arrived immigrant to do well. Add to this the fact that historically, people coming back from Gold mountain do bring back more than those from Europe.

And one last thing - The U.S. is known as a melting pot and have gone a long way towards conquering bigotry and eliminating discrimination - and loudly proclaims so. Europeans - well Europeans are Europeans - and even for myself I do feel "something" when I see a bunch of spiky haired teens in Europe, or walk outside an English Pub when they've got a bunch of soccer louts celebrating a win - or a loss, or when I get in to Fauchons (?sp) from the litter strewn Champs Elysee - and that little French waiter (and oh - never refer to them as "garcons") gives me the once over before seating me. The S.O.B. gotta figure if I'm Vietnamese, Japanese, Chinese or - and if I'm able to pay the bill or some poor dishwasher from China town. etc etc

Just my humble opinion as to why the U.S. is still perceived as a better destination for the Chinese.

SEAJ

Chinese living in the US are allowed to "feel" very much "American". And they often do. Their children going back to China (often to the sorrow of their parents who suffered to establich them in USA) feel they are 100% American.

One person on my mind right now is a "WeiWei". That dear little lady made a fortune in Beijing real estate, and is now living in the "mud flats of Berkeley" so she can "earn" a green card for her married daughter. I've tried to get her address from her mother, for old times sake, but the mother professes ignorance. My point is that "WeiWei" and daughter are anxious to give up a rich and enviable life style in Beijing for a grubby chance at the "American Dream".

CG

[Dr X Man]

I could not have said better. Well said. Do you know that Eastern European girls want the chance of landing to US?

Hate to point this out Zhuren - but you must know that you ARE a breed apart as far as your economic status is concerned - whilst the VERY large majority of gals in China is way way down such economic ladder. You cannot use your perspective to try to understand why most Chinese still prefer the U.s. as an immigration destination.

Most Chinese gals still look to the U.S. as being the "Gold Mountain" in that even a regular American Joe Blow goes to China and seem to have so much $$$ to splash around. I mean, lets face it, even guys on +-US$2,000 Social security will have RMB 13,600 per month to live in a relatively luxurious RMB 3,000/4,000 apartment, have a RMB 700 part time Ay-I and wander out to some watering hole at least once a week. etc. Plus you also know that Europeans generally (and please don't take me to task for over-generalization/typecasting whatever) are not as "open" in flaunting their higher status as a lot of Americans are.

OK, the reality of actual life in the U.S. is perhaps not as pretty - but you gotta also understand that most of Europe does have a much higher cost of living index vs. the U.S. plus a generally higher rate of taxation.... which makes it harder for a newly arrived immigrant to do well. Add to this the fact that historically, people coming back from Gold mountain do bring back more than those from Europe.

And one last thing - The U.S. is known as a melting pot and have gone a long way towards conquering bigotry and eliminating discrimination - and loudly proclaims so. Europeans - well Europeans are Europeans - and even for myself I do feel "something" when I see a bunch of spiky haired teens in Europe, or walk outside an English Pub when they've got a bunch of soccer louts celebrating a win - or a loss, or when I get in to Fauchons (?sp) from the litter strewn Champs Elysee - and that little French waiter (and oh - never refer to them as "garcons") gives me the once over before seating me. The S.O.B. gotta figure if I'm Vietnamese, Japanese, Chinese or - and if I'm able to pay the bill or some poor dishwasher from China town. etc etc

Just my humble opinion as to why the U.S. is still perceived as a better destination for the Chinese.

SEAJ