China Women - Opinions and Advice

[JayFrank]

So, I don't know how Freebie Fan does it, but by looking at his posts, he gets like 3 chicks a week, plus posts about 30 posts it ISG's various threads and I guess has a day job? Some of his posts clearly involve alcohol, but I guess other than that, he has just the most enormous set of balls ever bestowed on a man. As for me have never had a freebie that doesn't require several coffees, several dates,it's like a full time job. And if you want to get 1 chick to even meet for coffee you have to approach probably 10-15 before you get a hit. This chick last night, took her to a movie, she wouldn't come home with me until we literally had a High-school drama like conversation about "Do you like me" crap. Holy s* I agree with whomever posted that freebies aren't really free. I will gladly go back to just the straight up value proposition. My time is just too valuable. Not attacking Freebie Fan or questioning how he does it more just looking for sympathy. I mean a define the relationship talk? Are we 14?

[MrClen]

I bought a 180 rmb bracelet. Will she start scamming me? I'm an old dood, so always worried that I'll be taken advantage of.

Gifts work! Just consider it a deposit on future encounters. If it gets to be too much (yes they will try all the other scams), just say no and move on. I look at it this way--if I spend 2000 RMB on "gifts" and get three free nights of pussy, then I break about even and we both feel good, she got the gifts, I got the pussy! Mrclen.

[Nice Guy 99]

Pros, cons? I have a regular outcall girl. Thinking about buying her a cheap present. My friend thinks she'll start scamming me since she might think I'm in love with her or something. I'm not. Just want to be nice, and hope to continue getting good service from her. What do you brothers think?

It depends on what kind of a relationship you are cultivating. If it's purely business a gift doesn't do much for you. If you relate to the girl as a person, have conversations, know a bit about each others lives ... then it is a very appropriate thing to do. I have a Chinese regular in the UAE that I have that kind of relationship with. I recently bought her a purse for the equivalent of 3,750 RMB. She was very happy and it also made me feel quite good. I pay her well below market and a lot of times she just comes over and hangs when she has nothing to do. If you consider this girl a friend and think that she may feel the same way then by all means buy a gift. Always remember that WGs are people ... if you can break through the defensive shell many of them have then it can be a much more rewarding experience for both parties.

[Midwestern]

I bought a 180 rmb bracelet. Will she start scamming me? I'm an old dood, so always worried that I'll be taken advantage of.

[Beijing4987]

What is surprising here is that she has not asked for it already. Every gal I have encountered has tried and gotten presents from. Cosmetics, electric scooter, cell phone. I asked one to spend the night where before she left quickly after I came. She asked for more in order to buy pearls. Yeah, I'm a sucker. But I'm crazy about Chinese gals. They have tried the sick mother routine and have taken me to the gold store looking at 10,000 rmb necklaces. They know how much I will spend before saying "mei you".

]What do you mean by cheap?

A basket of fruit, up to 200 rmb.

A nice dress or jacket, anywhere from 300 up to 5000, means being taken to the mall, totally useless you choosing!

Handbag, again, anywhere from 250 up to 12000, again no use you trying to choose it.

Main first expensive present, a platinum chain and hanger, from 7000 up to 12000.

Second expensive present, platinum or gold bracelet, 9000 and up. (Beware many jewellers offer 50% discount on the tagged prices, the girl may try to pocket the discount!

Perfume, up to 1000 rmb.

Make up, facial whatever, normally sold in gift packages, 2500 up to 8000 rmb.

Been through them all, then start again, by now she is probably your freebie!

Fz.

[Fuzimiao]

Pros, cons? I have a regular outcall girl. Thinking about buying her a cheap present. My friend thinks she'll start scamming me since she might think I'm in love with her or something. I'm not. Just want to be nice, and hope to continue getting good service from her. What do you brothers think?

What do you mean by cheap?

A basket of fruit, up to 200 rmb.

A nice dress or jacket, anywhere from 300 up to 5000, means being taken to the mall, totally useless you choosing!

Handbag, again, anywhere from 250 up to 12000, again no use you trying to choose it.

Main first expensive present, a platinum chain and hanger, from 7000 up to 12000.

Second expensive present, platinum or gold bracelet, 9000 and up. (Beware many jewellers offer 50% discount on the tagged prices, the girl may try to pocket the discount!

Perfume, up to 1000 rmb.

Make up, facial whatever, normally sold in gift packages, 2500 up to 8000 rmb.

Been through them all, then start again, by now she is probably your freebie!

Fz.

[Midwestern]

Pros, cons? I have a regular outcall girl. Thinking about buying her a cheap present. My friend thinks she'll start scamming me since she might think I'm in love with her or something. I'm not. Just want to be nice, and hope to continue getting good service from her. What do you brothers think?

[Mmlouie]

Of course I can cut it off and start another and do have backups to draw upon so it is not the end of the world if I just cut the string. Mrclen.

I would, there's too many out there!

IMHO, of course!

Mmlouie.

[Stegram]

Now, is what I am experiencing a normal development

Yes. With ALL women. WG or not.

Keep your relationships as relationships and your WGs as WGs. In the end you will find both to be more genuine and enriching.

[StinkyFeet]

Just some comments on how a long term with a WG has worked out!

I met this girl when she was 25 years old (actually 28) and have seen her about 4 times per year for the last 3 or 4 years (how time flies when you are having fun). When we first met and for the subsequent first year or so, she was sexy, loving, and almost nothing off limits. When she would come to see me in the hotel (without the KTV involved) she would dress nicely, good make up, etc. The passion was there for a good night of sex. Gradually the passion has worn off and now when she comes straight to the hotel she usually is in street clothes and without makeup etc. In other words, very causal. In other words, she is acting more like a Tie Tie (wife) than a WG. The sex is still good, but the passion is dimmed. Now I have to admit that I have been somewhat unlucky in my timing of my my visits and red has been visiting one the last three trips.

I have given her a bit of money for the normal WG problems, but I consider this just payment for services so it is not a big deal and probably doesn't amount to more than payments for services anyway in the long run.

Some of the things that have changed:

She used to kiss DiDi goodby in the AM upon leaving.

She does not fix herself up the way she used to when she makes a visit to the room without the KTV involved.

She tries to go to sleep without multiple romps.

She will leave without morning sex.

She has stopped DFK as she says she doesn't like it. (All else is OK, DATY, CIM, COB, etc).

In other words, the sexual portion of the relationship has cooled but the emotional part has increased (at least that is what she tells me).

Now, is what I am experiencing a normal development or has any other Bros had a similar experience? I would like to continue the relationship but would like to relight the fire. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Of course I can cut it off and start another and do have backups to draw upon so it is not the end of the world if I just cut the string. Mrclen.

Old WG are not fun. Unless she is something really special (white tiger, model type stunner, intellectual, university grad nuclear rocket astro physics major) than I would quietly find another younger, fresher girl and slowly cut her off.

[MrClen]

Just some comments on how a long term with a WG has worked out!

I met this girl when she was 25 years old (actually 28) and have seen her about 4 times per year for the last 3 or 4 years (how time flies when you are having fun). When we first met and for the subsequent first year or so, she was sexy, loving, and almost nothing off limits. When she would come to see me in the hotel (without the KTV involved) she would dress nicely, good make up, etc. The passion was there for a good night of sex. Gradually the passion has worn off and now when she comes straight to the hotel she usually is in street clothes and without makeup etc. In other words, very causal. In other words, she is acting more like a Tie Tie (wife) than a WG. The sex is still good, but the passion is dimmed. Now I have to admit that I have been somewhat unlucky in my timing of my my visits and red has been visiting one the last three trips.

I have given her a bit of money for the normal WG problems, but I consider this just payment for services so it is not a big deal and probably doesn't amount to more than payments for services anyway in the long run.

Some of the things that have changed:

She used to kiss DiDi goodby in the AM upon leaving.

She does not fix herself up the way she used to when she makes a visit to the room without the KTV involved.

She tries to go to sleep without multiple romps.

She will leave without morning sex.

She has stopped DFK as she says she doesn't like it. (All else is OK, DATY, CIM, COB, etc).

In other words, the sexual portion of the relationship has cooled but the emotional part has increased (at least that is what she tells me).

Now, is what I am experiencing a normal development or has any other Bros had a similar experience? I would like to continue the relationship but would like to relight the fire. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Of course I can cut it off and start another and do have backups to draw upon so it is not the end of the world if I just cut the string. Mrclen.

[Ikksman]

Probably typical with the development of capitalism in China in the part 40 years. [S N I P] Of all the above, I made a downpayment for the first two weeks. 2000 for daily secrets, but after a couple of days the information flow dried up. I was happy to make the payment because there were some genuine (I believe genuine) medical problems at home. And the Hubei drip feed continues! (smile)

[ S N I P]

Haha! I believe that in many circumstances, we should assist those less fortunate than ourselves!

But the only request that I have ever been really tempted by was from a very beautiful young factory girl in Bantian, who only earned about 2, 300 per month, and lived in a dormitory of 6 bunks to the room, and only 2 toilets on each floor of the building. She offered to live with me and cook, wash etc for 8, 000 per month. In this way she could help her parents back home. She had a cute way of pointing at both of us and then resting her head on her hands to indicate sleep. Tempting, but I refused, although I did help her financially a bit, as I knew that her parents were in genuine financial difficulties.

Very different from the PI, where the lovely lasses try every trick in the book (sick Carabao, baby needs milk powder etc) just to improve their spending power. The Chinese SWTs tend to be more genuine!

But Freebies are always more expensive than straight WG arrangements! And I never seem to learn my lesson!

Cheers

[Pushkin13]

Over a period of 2 1/2 years I came to know a family that came from a small village, about one hour from Changsha, whose family members gradually migrated to the big cities for work. They had 3 daughters before they finally had a son. I am not sure how they achieved it as the penalties for the 3rd and 4th babies would normally be financially crippling.

Typical or atypical traditional family? Actually, I think they were a fairly typical rural family trying to make the most of limited opportunities!

Probably typical with the development of capitalism in China in the part 40 years.

Some of the requests that have come my way:

20, 000 RMB to help start a new foot massage business (from an attractive foot lady, who warmly responded to my invitation for some after-hours fun). And what would be the collateral?"Not important!" hahaha.

10, 000 RMB for medicine for her sick Changsha daughter (from a delicious SW I met in an unnamed city, with whom I clicked! But the click also switched on the money demands!)

4, 000RMB each month for a massage lady to tell me all her "fuck secrets" each day at her spa.

5, 000RMB to buy a new phone for my Shenzhen princess, whom I first met in a rub and tug place in Hong Kong.

10, 000RMB to help with her Shenzhen apartment renovations.

10, 000RMB to help with her SiChuan parents' medical bills.

Any amount of money to help an on-line Hubei Princess with medical bills from her father's then-recent demise (veracity not doubted). Because of the kindness in my face and heart, and her UNBELIEVABLE beauty I drip feed her.

Of all the above, I made a downpayment for the first two weeks. 2000 for daily secrets, but after a couple of days the information flow dried up. I was happy to make the payment because there were some genuine (I believe genuine) medical problems at home. And the Hubei drip feed continues! (smile)

You live and learn.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

[Ikksman]

Over a period of 2 1/2 years I came to know a family that came from a small village, about one hour from Changsha, whose family members gradually migrated to the big cities for work. They had 3 daughters before they finally had a son. I am not sure how they achieved it as the penalties for the 3rd and 4th babies would normally be financially crippling.

I never met the son. He was at a university in Changsha. I also never met the father (unemployed). The mother was 47 and quite attractive for her age, considering 4 babies!

The oldest daughter was 25, a university engineering graduate, who was unsuccessful in getting a job, and taught English in Beijing. I banged her on occasions when I had trips to Beijing. Was it true love? Of course not, but she thought I could help her get an engineering job in Shenzhen. And, she was certainly no starfish!

The other 2 daughters, who both worked in Shenzhen, had very limited education; one was beautiful, the other plain.

The mother came to Shenzhen and was my housekeeper (part-time) for about one year. This was arranged by the youngest daughter.

Believe it or not, but one evening when she was cooking, she deliberately started, almost surreptitiously, rubbing her backside against my xiao didi (when I was looking over her shoulder)! All she said was 'Don't tell my daughter'. She knew little about sex, other than the wham, bang, thank you ma'am type. And, unfortunately, my efforts to educate her were largely unsuccessful. But she was enthusiastic. I often used to work from my apartment office, so if I felt a bit horny I always had a willing playmate.

One evening, the youngest daughter introduced me to her mother's younger sister (in front of the mother). She was married, lived in Changsha, apparently middle class, and was obviously looking for a bit of romance. We then communicated by email, and I helped her ease her romantic itch during her 3 week visit to Shenzhen. After she returned she used to text me saying she would love to repeat the episodes. Apparently her husband totally neglected her.

Finally, the youngest daughter (an ex-gf described her as a classical Han beauty). She was 21 when I met her. She worked at various agencies selling / renting apartments (that is how I met her) ; each position rarely lasted longer than the 3 month probationary period (after which salary was largely commission only). During the 2 1/2 year period, she asked me for surprising amounts of money:

O 40, 000rmb to repair the family home that had been damaged by typhoon / rains.

O university fees for her brother (I forget how much) and a laptop (he was doing IT)

O 10, 000rmb to enable her to start a business selling beauty products.

O 8, 500rmb for car driving lessons, and help to buy a car.

O 300, 000rmb to replace agency moneys that had been stolen from her (incredible story that any young Pinay would have been proud of)

O to buy an apartment in Shenzhen for the family (and then I could have her forever!).

I never gave her any of these moneys, however, I was generous to her and her mother in other ways. And, although I banged 3 other family members, I was never successful with this sexy young girl! She was only willing to give herself at a high price (to help the family?).

Typical or atypical traditional family? Actually, I think they were a fairly typical rural family trying to make the most of limited opportunities!

[Ikksman]

Wow! Thanks Ikksman. A real helpful post. But I went to Bookcity and could not find any English book section, just the English teaching books section. But I did manage to chat a girl there and got Wechat ID.

There are a number of areas where there are English language books (and English speaking girls). Keep looking!

There is another smaller bookshop in the Bookcity complex that stocks a large range of English books. From the main Bookcity shop, head south and go up the escalators beside the story-telling forum, crossing over Fuzhong 1 Lu. Go back down to the bottom level again and there is another bookstore (very narrow aisles) that stocks quite a lot of foreign language books. Can't remember the name.

Cheers