South China - Dongguan

[Classic890]

I was in Guangzhou for the canton fair few week ago stay at huimei only 188 rmb, many business and old mall closed still many HK on weekend during the week is a ghost town, I did run into a few mommie I know from yr and a half ago they told me they have girl for 300 rmb I saw a few didn, t see any I want take a chance with I know police is still cracking and checking hotel room.

I know a few mommie are offering girl at jiamei and lucky hotel you can get room there for 138 rmb for a night girl are very average again police are still cracking down but cp is still a good place to lay low for cheap food and hotel.

Fast Eddie 48.

What happens if police catch you in your hotel with an escort? Do people actually get deported for this? I checked google but I could not find anything regarding this. Do people in hotels care if you have escorts?

Thanks!

[Tightway]

Hey Tightway,

How are you / faring with your penchant for getting freebies?

Or are you also getting to be too old to have as much success as before?

Unfortunately, Southern China is getting worse, and as per my post on the Hong Kong thread, even PRC punters are now going to Hong Kong for a much safer, somehow cheaper and better experience. They've got syndicates actually transporting PRC mongers down from Shenzhen and supplying them not only with PRC girls, but also a veritable United Nations buffet! Even arranging for Yacht parties in Hong Kong waters!

In fact, I myself have been in search for new mongering destinations around, but things are also not getting any better in most other SE Asian destinations. Prices are going nutso everywhere, quality going down as other opportunities open up for girls, crack-downs / safety getting worse. And oh, of course my preference for the fairer, porcelain-skinned beauties without banana-sized toes stands in my way, never my aversion to plucked chickens..

Actually I haven't tried to get any freebies nor WG's, since I am in Germany most of the time, and I don't like the girls here at all. If they are bigger than me, and act like a guy I might as well become gay, which I am not.

Also I find that sleeping with a girl who I really connect to emotionally and who I find physically attractive, feminine and caring as well is my preference, as it had been before.

Going with WG's without any emotional connection is like sticking my the* into a hole in the wall for the hundredth time, which does not do anything for me, and is just a waste of money, time and positive energy, bringing my mood down. It would be paying for having not a good time.

If someone is inexperienced, young and stacked with semin** fluid up to his ears, the hole in the wall might do something for him, but not if he did it lots of times, and has experienced a much higher level of enjoyment. Once I am used to eating 3 star food which is prepared and eaten with love and attention, it is difficult to enjoy stale fast food.

In my experience enjoyment comes when one can focus with his entire being in the moment, when at the same time the girl feels the same.

WGs may be distracted too much if she thinks of money while doing it, and she did it too much, than it's not special for her anyway.

That's why, if anything, new WGs are better in my opinion, with fresh emotions and a still unspoiled mind and body.

These gems are rare everywhere, but were possible to find before in China, but probably not anymore. Unless you go through the long process of dating them, which is too much work, unless they are smart and cultured and have something interesting to contribute to the conversation.

I am back in China in a few weeks. Are you still going to be somewhere in China mongering, or have you stopped due to lack of places to go?

If you say people go to HK now, than you are at the source already.

TW

[Ace Gallant]

I was in Guangzhou for the canton fair few week ago stay at huimei only 188 rmb, many business and old mall closed still many HK on weekend during the week is a ghost town, I did run into a few mommie I know from yr and a half ago they told me they have girl for 300 rmb I saw a few didn, t see any I want take a chance with I know police is still cracking and checking hotel room.

I know a few mommie are offering girl at jiamei and lucky hotel you can get room there for 138 rmb for a night girl are very average again police are still cracking down but cp is still a good place to lay low for cheap food and hotel.

Fast Eddie 48.

The old days are gone, time to move on to another city.

Hehehehe.

Enjoy!

AG.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I was in Guangzhou for the canton fair few week ago stay at huimei only 188 rmb, many business and old mall closed still many HK on weekend during the week is a ghost town, I did run into a few mommie I know from yr and a half ago they told me they have girl for 300 rmb I saw a few didn, t see any I want take a chance with I know police is still cracking and checking hotel room.

I know a few mommie are offering girl at jiamei and lucky hotel you can get room there for 138 rmb for a night girl are very average again police are still cracking down but cp is still a good place to lay low for cheap food and hotel.

Fast Eddie 48.

[Legal Lad]

I just got back from China Monday and I stop in Changping every trip as it is still a great place to stay if you have some legit business in the area.

The girl situation however, is accurately described. All the old providers are gone. If you have your personal resources, you can still find some action. A few KTVs are open but the amount of girls are very small (under 100) for viewing. The quality is nothing like before. The pricing for KTV girls average 1000 RMB for short time to 2000+ overnight.

All saunas closed. There is some "sauna" delivery and alleged in house services at some hotels, but they are operating in stealth mode and pretty unreliable. The traffic has picked up a lot, but Changping has become more of a family destination for HKers with their families. They still come for cheap food and cheap massages (as compared with HK pricing).

Danshui is the new spot to go to. However, pricing in general is up. Way up. There are better values in other places if you are looking to monger. The good old days are long gone.

'lad.

[ShinShin]

I went through HK for a connection a while ago and decided to take the train there and spend 1 night in CP. I walked through these alleys behind Hui Mei, it was quite sentimental actually, got chills through my body, really overwhelmed by nostalgia, still could see vividly these familiar mommies calling out to customers and dragging them to see their ladies, but only in my mind, I went to see another familiar little hotel Jia Mei, near Hui Mei, they always had several rooms full stock of young cuties, the same front desk lady is till there, and she still remembers me, but the whole game has changed, she said now they still can arrange ladies for viewing, one at a time, price 400-500ST, need to open a room in their hotel first, if customer rejects a girl give her 10 for transport, it has become really a big hassle, also seems not many girls left in the delivery trade.

I also walked around White Swan, all the saunas on the road are officially closed, but if you go through the hassle there is still some residue activity. There seem to be a few papasan mamasan arranging sauna sessions for their old regulars at hefty price, they claim girls provide the same services as before in the sauna places but without facility, also met several pimps that can arrange ladies for viewing, but the process seems the same, they send girl one at a time to certain hotel, you pay her transport or tip if you reject one. It just too much hassle and risk for me to even try this option here. I walked all the way to another very Nostalgic place nearby, Yalan hotel, I walked into these allys, it was all dead, went in Yalan for dinner, and asked hotel about the situation, it's pretty much the same in the whole city, a bit of delivery here and there, nothing major nothing in the open anymore.

I heard some karaokes are back with hostesses, but flower street is long gone, I never like the long and tedious procedures at karaoke, so did not care much. BBS are completely wiped out, saunas are pretty much hidden for customers with contact. A few mamas here and there offer some risky delivery. That's all CP has left now.

Walking around CP, brings back so much nostalgia, it sent chills and goose bumps constantly when wandering in these allys. There is no more reason for me to come back anymore, time has definitely changed here forever.

[Gennai]

This thread used to be one of the most active on the forum. It was part of the top 5 most active for several years.

Are there any honest mongers left out there who can provide more than a flash update about which KTVs are open and the number of girls on Flower St?

Just a 2 cent post, but at least it shows clearly what we used to expect from CP and tries to ask for the clear intelligence we need to have a good time. BSD wish you were more active. Your services are truly the market best.

I haven't been to CP since the cleansing of the yellow. I'm in Dongguan right now. It is just super bleak. Just like in Guangzhou, BJ as I have passed through. Only Shanghai seems to have noticeable action going on. My source higher up on the LE side say it all has died down except a few places, more like HJ and a few KTV but risky. I paid the same for a HJ as I did for a super top model back in the days (my fault, I thought the extra intimate service implied FS but it was just HJ for a horrific price). My hotel used to have a nice spa. It's empty now. I've been looking around, using wechat and whatever, only scams that invite you to a hotel for 400 FS. Yea right.

My local friend didn't know of any internet forums still active, the trusted providers are not operational anymore or I'm being blocked immediately upon call. It is just bleak.

I'm heading for SZ and then for HK for the weekend. Hope to have better luck there.

I'm happy for any pointers.

[Jon Guoren]

This thread used to be one of the most active on the forum. It was part of the top 5 most active for several years.

In CP I used to be able to:

Stay in Swan Lake Road (tian er hu lu) and:

Go to area around HuiMei and meet mamas. Damage 150 RMB to 250 RMB with 2 girls delivery available for double that.

Use foot massage and / or HJ services in one of the hotels for 50 RMB.

Attend the special lineup floors at Swan Lake or Clipper hotels for 6/7/800 for 100 to 150 minutes a lineup and 2 pops.

Go to KTV maybe 500 RMB for cheap room with food and staff, alone. No takeout girls.

Meet SWs as walkups (500 RMB).

Go to a BSD party for 350 RMB and take home a ST / LT SW for 800/1000 from Amazonia as example.

Meet BSD for amazing service chats with meals in town and discussion of next parties (cost of a meal / foot massage).

One time and one time only, there was a single LE officer banging on doors at the hotel and not giving up until he has been into every room. I had no girl in there so I guess I was lucky. I expect he was just taking some collections off some people.

The Now Situation (from this forum and sites of 'new' service providers I have found:

LE and crackdowns of vice have ruined most or all of the above.

- question. How true actually is this? Service providers seem to be offering 'delivery' for 1000 RMB upwards. That is one heck of a markup, unless the service quality is outstanding. Also, I question if there is a syndicate to keep people away and keep prices down, when in fact most things might be going on as normal like above.

- Danshui is the new alternative. BSD said he was scoping out the area, but no follow up report was posted. BSD are you still at all active in CP? Has it really gone so downhill as many cynics say it has? Or is the situation not totally different as previous, for those people who know the territory a little bit better than tourists and newcomers.

- no more Mamas around CP? And no mamas or cheaper options in Danshui? Overall the south China scene seems to be a desert from this forum's activity apart from a few pockets. Guangzhou villages seem to be the only decent content provided on this forum in terms of recent posts related to actual mongering reports.

- CP hotels have stopped their exceptional and special service floors? Again I find this very difficult to believe and smell BS, possibly with service providers trying to corner and direct the market to their comprehensive deals.

Are there any honest mongers left out there who can provide more than a flash update about which KTVs are open and the number of girls on Flower St?

Just a 2 cent post, but at least it shows clearly what we used to expect from CP and tries to ask for the clear intelligence we need to have a good time. BSD wish you were more active. Your services are truly the market best.

[Ikksman]

A piece of Dongguan nostalgia that should be preserved for posterity.

This video made 2 years ago, signalled the start of the biggest and most persistent anti-vice campaign in the world and changed the lives of all mongers in China!

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjcxNz....4.6-1.1-1-2-5

Ikksman.

[Mpl777]

So I decided to try a different tack (at least to me): mobile phone girls. Most are fairly young, speak some English, and needing a SIM card is the perfect excuse to strike up a conversation.

Pulled my normal China SIM. Put in my US one. Walked into a China Mobile / phone outlet around 8:50 PM (near closing time). Asked for "SIM Card?" and was pointed to a desk. Two bubbly early 20-somethings were eager to help! We looked at numbers, they suggested a good number (only 85 RMB), and assisted in setting up the phone. The whole time I used broken Mandarin, and they used broken English.

Once up and going, I asked for a "pin" to remove the SIM card in the future. They gave me one, and I gave them 15 RMB as a "tip". They, of course, didn't want to take it. But I insisted! We talked for a few more minutes, and I offered to take them to the McDonald's across the way. My treat, for helping me out get my phone going, upgraded, working, etc. To my surprise, they both accepted! So over we went after they closed up shop.

75 RMB for some food, we chatted a bit, they "introduced" me to WeChat (already previously deleted from phone), and talked for about an hour..

Nice! I salute you!

[The Rooster]

So I decided to try a different tack (at least to me): mobile phone girls. Most are fairly young, speak some English, and needing a SIM card is the perfect excuse to strike up a conversation.

Pulled my normal China SIM. Put in my US one. Walked into a China Mobile / phone outlet around 8:50 PM (near closing time). Asked for "SIM Card?" and was pointed to a desk. Two bubbly early 20-somethings were eager to help! We looked at numbers, they suggested a good number (only 85 RMB), and assisted in setting up the phone. The whole time I used broken Mandarin, and they used broken English.

Once up and going, I asked for a "pin" to remove the SIM card in the future. They gave me one, and I gave them 15 RMB as a "tip". They, of course, didn't want to take it. But I insisted! We talked for a few more minutes, and I offered to take them to the McDonald's across the way. My treat, for helping me out get my phone going, upgraded, working, etc. To my surprise, they both accepted! So over we went after they closed up shop.

75 RMB for some food, we chatted a bit, they "introduced" me to WeChat (already previously deleted from phone), and talked for about an hour. One was really getting "touchy" on my arm. Bingo! So I said it is getting late, maybe I should head back to my hotel. Could one of them help me get a cab? BINGO. The one who was getting touchy volunteered.

Her friend smiled and walked off. She hailed me a cab. And then I asked "want to come with me? Have a drink in my room"? She accepted. Back we went. A quick drink, some talk, and before you know it we were in the shower having fun, then the bed. Next morning about 7 AM. I wake her up, another round, and then said "I have to go to work now". She asked if I was around that night. No, I was going to Zhuhai that night. But I come back every 4-6 weeks, can I call her when I come back? No problem! Great. .

Sometimes being the happy, smiling, funny, helpless lao wai pays off.

[Mpl777]

To Mpl777.

I not sure what is the point after the big crack down 2 yr ago most ktvs got closed down the one that is still open don't have girls for take out, if your idea is drinking with average girl and pay the KTV room by yourself then go ahead.

Fast eddie 48.

Nope. Man, the crackdown is that bad? Surely there's something to do in the evenings.

[ISO 9000]

KTV

Only Mayflower KTV has the most strength available.

Daily average 50-100.

Rest of the KTVs the strength is daily average 30-50.

Due to current situation if you're not regular or brought by regular there the hostesses will not be provided.

PUB

All pubs are operating in normal mode.

MASSAGE

All Massage Centres and Spas are operating in low profile mode.

Only Foot and limited Body massage is available.

SAUNA

Only room delivery service from own contacts.

[ISO 9000]

Without the enormous economic growth of the past 15 years (OK, I admit most Dongguan toy factories closed in the wake of the GFC), the likes of Changping will never be seen in the PRD again, even if Xi totally relaxes his 3 vices campaign (prostitution, gambling and drugs).

From the looks of it I concur with you the glory days of Changping is history.

[Ikksman]

To Mpl777.
I not sure what is the point after the big crack down 2 yr ago most ktvs got closed down the one that is still open don't have girls for take out, if your idea is drinking with average girl and pay the KTV room by yourself then go ahead.
Fast eddie 48.

There has been a massive economic slowdown in Dongguan, once called one of the "Four Guangdong Tigers". Chinese companies in the PRD (Pearl River Delta) have failed to quickly react to, and upgrade and innovate to survive, the current economic situation and the crash in the demand for electronics components (particularly plastic precision parts). The many Taiwanese companies there are contracting or shifting operations to other countries.

Without the enormous economic growth of the past 15 years (OK, I admit most Dongguan toy factories closed in the wake of the GFC), the likes of Changping will never be seen in the PRD again, even if Xi totally relaxes his 3 vices campaign (prostitution, gambling and drugs).

Cheers?