South China - Dongguan

[Dan Hawaii]

I am not saying it will not happen or did not happened. I do believe the story especially with all the crime in China. I am just wondering how he paid for the safe and hotel bill after he lost everything. He did not have cash or credit cards.

If you read FE's post, he said the guy that got robbed was from HK and he called his other buddy from HK to come and get him and help him with the bill.

I for one believe FE, because he has no reason to lie. And he is just sharing a story with us. Plus, FE is a seasoned monger. I believe China and it's business practices are fucked up that way. The manager probably did not want to get fired, so he billed the customer. I guess the reasoning has some bearing, where the customer is responsible for the contents and condition of the room property he is essentially renting out. Just like if you rent a car and you left the keys in the ignition... and it got stolen. Oh well. Almost the same as a thief finding a key with the hotel name and room number written on it.

[SE Asia Joe]

Hey Weelock/Eddie - cool it both of you!! Please!! No need to get all upset about this - or any other topic.

Nuthin' is really that big a deal to get upset - right?? Hate to see 2 buddies get on each other over trivial matters

SEAJ

[Weelock]

Some dumb ass ISG member got rob in CP a few yr back as I was told, maybe he lie about that too, if you don't think this will happen it will.

Fast Eddie 48

Hey Eddie each time I talk with you, you like to use derogatory words against me. Just like the time you called first to arrange to met in Shenzhen. You didn’t show up and I called to find out about your status and ETA. You said to me, “What the HELL you want !” You forgot about the meeting or didn't bother. Now this post with “dump ass”. You have used other condescending words in replying to my other past posts too.

I am not saying it will not happen or did not happened. I do believe the story especially with all the crime in China. I am just wondering how he paid for the safe and hotel bill after he lost everything. He did not have any cash or credit cards.


"SE Asian Joe" first brought it up and was asking about it too. Where in HELL did your DUMP ASS friend get the money after everything was lost? I am just using your type meaningful derogatory words as an example.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I agree, it sounds a little fishy. Paying 1600 rmb for a used safe and where did he get the money to pay for it and his hotel bill?

Some dumb ass ISG member got rob in CP a few yr back as I was told, maybe he lie about that too, if you don't think this will happen it will.

Fast Eddie 48

[El Greco]

many hotels in china do not have 'under the bed' area. you can lift the bed and put stuff underneath. hard place to search. In HuiHua i thnk rooms have a 'ledge' at top of the room, you can place items up there too.

dont' forget them though.

That's right.

Last November I raised a piece of furniture, in my apartment in Buenos Aires, in order to hide my cash and passport there and I found 2.000 pesos=$700 hidden there.

Some one else forgot them there. Nice start for me.

[Weelock]

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And I still wonder how the hotel could possibly make him pay ANY $$ at all as he by then had no money or card or whatever left??!!

I agree, it sounds a little fishy. Paying 1600 rmb for a used safe and where did he get the money to pay for it and his hotel bill ?

[Fast Eddie 48]

Eddie. You sure it actually happened? To your friend? And that this guy is not prone to exaggeration?

Come on. OK, I can see. Sorta. The rationale for the charge for the room key (But RMB 40? That amount by itself is ridiculous actually). But RMB1, 600 for the safe? First, I priced safes at the Canton Trade fair and the kind they have at the Hua Yu would max. Be US$ 45at and secondly and more importantly. How can they justify him having to pay for it as he certainly didn't steal it and the hotel is suppossed to be responsible for at least a modicum of security.

And I still wonder how the hotel could possibly make him pay ANY $$ at all as he by then had no money or card or whatever left? !

Just really curious/wondering if your buddy really telling it all.

SEAJ

SEAJ,

This thing do happen all over China, he have no reason to lie yes I am sure the safe is not worth that much, he even went back to the police station a few later and they have not find the guy, I wonder if the police work on his case at all, he think one of the pimp behing hui mei stole his wallet and have his buddy go to the hotel and steal the safe, I have my thing stolen in my room in a 4 star hotel in shanghai before all my vaulable stuff I keep at the hotel safe.

Fast Eddie 48

[Freepeaks]

Cain't argue with that logic. Also, room rates in China - and CP in particular - is generally so cheap that it really don't matter much for the casual and once a while visitor.

SEAJ

I agree there. I have seen the rooms at SWL, Manhattan, adn Penn and somethings (flatscreen tv) look better than HH. HH still has big CRT in most rooms. If I didn't have unreplaceable business samples when traveling I'd worry less. I don't really care about clothes and cards are easy to hide in any room.

the rooms at HH are feeling dated but very clean which is why I want to try elsewhere.

[Playboy2000]

THe CP KTVs are fairly well documented on this site, but the ChangAn KTVs generally receive less attention. It is probably becasuse CA is more difficult to get to (no direct train from HK, for example).

Anyway below is a list of strip KTVs I've heard about in ChangAn:

JiAn: line ups in room; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30

DFML (Dong Fang Mei Li): line ups in rooms; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30

Wu Sha Hotel KTV

Xing Zhi Xing KTV (Star of Star Hotel) (Near the border of Humen and Chang An): girls put underwear in plastic bag

Dong Cheng KTV

JinSha KTV (JSMZ)

ShaTou Hotel: strip dice; strip dance at 10:30

I've been to the first to on the list, but not to the others. My questions to you guys is are all 7 of these KTVs distinct KTVs? Or of some of these the same place with different names. Also, do you know about the stripping and choosing format at these KTVs? I believe they are all 2-5-8.

[Jaimito Cartero]

Most good hotels will have the safe bolted down. This keeps someone from just trading the safe for another one. I just checked mine, and of course it's not bolted down. At least I don't have much in it if it's ripped off.

I got ripped off for about 600 in Peru a few years back, from a 2/3 star hotel that a lot of mongers stayed at. No safes available at all. I raised all hell with the owner, and now he at least offers to bring a safe up to your room if you request it.

I had the breakfast at the Mayflower (or May Flower, if you want it as it's written on all their stuff). Decent, but nothing to write home about. An egg station was the highlight. Probably worth $5 or so, at least to me.

It appears that they have weekend rates, so my first night was at 258, and Friday and Saturday will be 288. At least they take credit cards.

[SE Asia Joe]

and hence why i prefer to stay at a better place with a higher charge not for the bsd effect, but for the safety or perceived safety of the rooms.

Would you consider the Hui Mei / Hui Hua / Miraton safer than the SWL and Manhattan / Penninsula?

Anyone know what hotels by SWL/Manhattan/Penn have decent safes?

Cain't argue with that logic. Also, room rates in China - and CP in particular - is generally so cheap that it really don't matter much for the casual and once a while visitor.

I'ts only the serial mongers amongst us that needs to use hotels for practically half of each year that small differences accumulate and matters.

Having said that Freepeaks - when your time's up, your time's up and it don't matter where you stay! The choice of a hotel's importance is way below that of us mongers always being on the look-out for dangers and to take the necessary steps to secure our own safety.

SEAJ

[Freepeaks]

and hence why i prefer to stay at a better place with a higher charge not for the bsd effect, but for the safety or perceived safety of the rooms.

Would you consider the Hui Mei / Hui Hua / Miraton safer than the SWL and Manhattan / Penninsula?

Anyone know what hotels by SWL/Manhattan/Penn have decent safes?

[SE Asia Joe]

SEAJ,

It is the Hua Yu hotel behind Hui mei ,myself and other ISG member stay there many time and have no problems , yes they have the room number on the room card ,they told my Hk buddy since he is the one that lost the room key he is responsible for anything that is missing in the room,he is a Hongkonger he just contact his buddy to go to cp to get him.

Myself and friend have small thing stolen in 4 star hotel before ,this thing do happen ,maybe next I will stay at the HH hotel like our buddy Dan H ,they got dumb ass maid over there don't even take 4000 usd that is more than their one yr salary I am sure .

Eddie - you sure it actually happened? To your friend?? And that this guy is not prone to exaggeration??

come on - OK, I can see - sorta - the rationale for the charge for the room key (But RMB 40??? That amount by itself is ridiculous actually) - but RMB1,600 for the safe?? First,I priced safes at the Canton Trade fair and the kind they have at the Hua Yu would max.be US$ 45@ and secondly and more importantly - how can they justify him having to pay for it as he certainly didn't steal it and the hotel is suppossed to be responsible for at least a modicum of security.

And I still wonder how the hotel could possibly make him pay ANY $$ at all as he by then had no money or card or whatever left??!!

Just really curious/wondering if your buddy really telling it all.

SEAJ

[Fast Eddie 48]

Are you serious???? Or am I reading this wrong?

You actually mean that the guy got pick pocketed and whoever pick-pocketed him went to his hotel room and stole his watch, all his cash, his cell phone, all his lugggage AND the whole hotel safe??

And just walked out of the hotel?? And the hotel had the nerve to charge him an extra RMB 1,600 + 40 for the stolen safe and room card??

If it had happened to any of us, I believe that we'd not know whether to cry or to laugh at how ridiculous the whole thing was.

Come to think of it - how was he able to pay for anything if he had everything stolen as you described?? Hell, he even had no cell phone to call anybody for help! Sorry Eddie, but to me this all sounds just a bit too fantastic!!

Which hotel was this?? If true, you gotta make sure that nobody else stays there from now on.

SEAJ

SEAJ,

It is the Hua Yu hotel behind Hui mei ,myself and other ISG member stay there many time and have no problems , yes they have the room number on the room card ,they told my Hk buddy since he is the one that lost the room key he is responsible for anything that is missing in the room,he is a Hongkonger he just contact his buddy to go to cp to get him.

Myself and friend have small thing stolen in 4 star hotel before ,this thing do happen ,maybe next I will stay at the HH hotel like our buddy Dan H ,they got dumb ass maid over there don't even take 4000 usd that is more than their one yr salary I am sure .

[Fast Eddie 48]

What hotel cards have the room number on them? That doesn't sound right. Now if it is a small hotel, in 1-2 hours you could easily check all the doors.

I lost my card once in Hong Kong and raced back to my hotel to change the card and keylock (they change the card code every time they issue) before someone could do this. It would take time to do, but is conceivable.

Freespeak,

Yes it is a small hotel, I have been to a few hotel in China that got the room number on the room key, it is a stupid idea but I don't think thief will check all room, security and maid will be alert but it is easy for them to just take the small safe hide in luggage and open it later.

Fast Eddie 48