East China - Suzhou

[Only Visiting]

Hello,

I was wondering what the situation is with KTV girls in Suzhou?

Does anyone know of any locations that the girls offer services to men?

I am a British person.

Thanks in advance.

You can find girls in dance halls (seemy other post), cheaper than KTV. They speak no or very little English so learn some key sentences in Chinese. Or connect in Wechat and use that as translator. You can take them to KTV or tea room to try them out (they ask 200-300/ HR). For the dance halls you pay 25 RMB entry and once inside there are many (50-100+) ladies inside who can be asked for a dance. Dances cost 20 or 30 RMB. During the dance you can get an impression what your partner is like and ask what more they offer. Some let you grope others not. In private settings most allow much more than on the dance floor.

HJ should be 500, FS from 500 for older desperate women to 2000 for women. But 1000 should be possible if you speak some Chinese and they sort of like you.

[Only Visiting]

The part about them allowing non Asians is shocking given how widespread the narrative of "Americans started the virus and all westerners are covid19 positive" was among the peasant class a few months back. Maybe they've finally realized that all non-Asians must have arrived before 3/28. Do you know if Meimei specifically allows non Asians? What about the one near Leqiao station (name escapes me, it's been over a year).

Tuanjie qiao was just too filthy the two times I went and had ladies that were a bit too young. I kinda like the 30's /40's crowd at Meimei, but admittedly you have to sift through to find the ones who are both old and not fat.

MeiMei is closed but Ginza on the 2 FL is open. But only to Asians. Just like Lanbao in Shilu shopping area.

Tuanjieqiao is now very good and not filthy, there are both young and old ladies. The older ones don't dance much but wait for people to take them out for a quickie. There is another one nearby, Nanhua, maybe you refer to that? It is cheaper at 20 RMB and has more older ladies.

The one near Leqiao subway reopened recently but the ladies there are much worse than before.

Another one is Zhengda; better than Leqiao but worse than Tuanjieqiao. It is at the East end of Jinmen road just before the bridge across the Waicheng river in the same building as Suzhou theatre.

[PaulShep]

Hello,

I was wondering what the situation is with KTV girls in Suzhou?

Does anyone know of any locations that the girls offer services to men?

I am a British person.

Thanks in advance.

[CoconutWater89]

Almost all the dance halls are open again. And most of them also allow non-Asians to enter. The prices in the better places are 30 RMB for a dance, the lesser places are still 20 RMB.

Some places like Tuanjieqao now close at 11 pm (used to be 10 pm). Recently it has been very (too?) crowded, especially in the evenings and weekend. Lots of women but also lots of men.

The part about them allowing non Asians is shocking given how widespread the narrative of "Americans started the virus and all westerners are covid19 positive" was among the peasant class a few months back. Maybe they've finally realized that all non-Asians must have arrived before 3/28. Do you know if Meimei specifically allows non Asians? What about the one near Leqiao station (name escapes me, it's been over a year).

Tuanjie qiao was just too filthy the two times I went and had ladies that were a bit too young. I kinda like the 30's /40's crowd at Meimei, but admittedly you have to sift through to find the ones who are both old and not fat.

[Only Visiting]

Almost all the dance halls are open again. And most of them also allow non-Asians to enter. The prices in the better places are 30 RMB for a dance, the lesser places are still 20 RMB.

Some places like Tuanjieqao now close at 11 pm (used to be 10 pm). Recently it has been very (too?) crowded, especially in the evenings and weekend. Lots of women but also lots of men.

[Beijing4987]

What about putting the shop on notice about dissatisfaction? I contacted XiuXiu recently. I had chatted with her until she had moved home a few years ago and then deleted her. . Her former number was #2. She asked who had given out the referral, but I ignored this.

[Brit Suzhou]

Went yesterday. Seemed a crowd of girls emerging from everywhere, including the manageress who is pretty hot! I tried to go with her but my masseuse had practically sprinted over to take her place in the queue. Least beautiful out of all of them, and I should probably have said something, but never mind.

Number 9. Avoid like the plague.

Got in. Rooms look nicer than before. Shower etc. Then lie down. Masseuse doesn't even ask me what I want, and just starts massaging away. I say I want the 399 and she says OK.

Usual small-talk while doing the vanilla part of the massage, and she asks for my WeChat. I say no, I don't want to give out my WeChat, because I don't want to get any messages. She says it's fine, I won't send any messages, and I have to say no about 12 times. Then made the stupid mistake of mentioning my girlfriend. Of course, she latches onto that and starts asking 1000 questions. Fine. But once she started getting tickly with the massage, I asked her to stop asking about my relationship as I wanted to relax. She's like, fine. Then starts asking me 1000 questions about why I don't want to talk about that! Eventually I just asked her again just not to talk about it. I came there to relax, and now I'm not relaxed! Please stop asking the same questions 100 times because you didn't get the answer you wanted the first 99 times.

She started back up and started getting a bit more tickly and sensual, so I asked if she'd be taking any of her clothes off, and she said no. I said that I thought that's what the 399 massage was, and she said no. Fine.

The sensual part of the massage with me on my front was pretty good to be fair. Then she asks me to flip. No gummy, no nothing. She starts working it, and is pretty good at it, and I'm getting a bit more into it at this point. She asks if I can cum twice, and I say sure, let's give it a go. So she finishes the first one off really quick. I don't even try to hold back. Then we're having a bit more of a pleasant chat face-to-face as she massages my chest and stuff, and she starts asking more relationship questions that I put down a bit more politely this time, then she starts getting me hard again. Just when I'm fully hard, she starts saying it's extra to cum twice. While holding my LB in her hand. FFS! I say no, you never told me that, and she's trying to explain that it's only an extra 200, what's the problem, is it too expensive, maybe we can make a deal etc. While LB is rapidly shrinking in her hand and all the nice, relaxed feelings are well and truly gone now. After saying 'no' maybe 12 times, and her just repeating the same thing over and over, I just stand up and get into the shower. The whole time I'm taking a shower she's trying to convince me to get back onto the bed, and I'm just ignoring her. Towelling off, she's asking me when was the last time I was there and what happened, and I explained that 399 would usually get you a gummy, topless. And in all the years I've been there I've never had a girl try to upsell me with my LB in her hand.

Even when I'm trying to put my clothes on she's still blahblahblah. I look through my wallet and put the 400 on the table and just walk out.

All of this took place in about 45 minutes, by the way. From getting into the room, to leaving it!

9 - avoid avoid avoid!

[Beijing4987]

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[CoconutWater89]

With things being so restrictive in Suzhou (and indeed China) lately it is good to remember that this place is still open and accepting foreigners. They do not offer FS or BBJ, though I can say from personal experience that most of the gals working there are looking for some extra income and are very open to going to a hotel once you see them a couple of times and talk to them on WeChat. I know tips go a long way and many have reported being able to DATY or at least lots of roaming given the right incentive for these ladies. Obviously the more Mandarin you know and the more long-term effort you are willing to put in, the further you can get. I believe a red envelope of about 800 RMB will get you a GFE experience with most of these ladies if you put in the time. In a lot of ways that makes the feeling of achieving FS from the Elephant all the more fun, as it is 100% not on the menu. Be respectful and don't be afraid to ask what is ok and what isn't ok for your first visit, translate via WeChat or other App if you need.

1) Location & History: "The Elephant" was originally given it's name due to it being right next door to a dry cleaning place with an Elephant for it's logo. It is located at 130 SuXiu Road (google pin at https://goo.gl/maps/MFd66KaSU4mMcCxR9) and the easiest way to find it is simply to add their WeChat of yxl273747 and ask them to share the pin / location with you in WeChat. The boss who runs the place has recently learned some English too and it's not bad, though none of the others there speak English. The boss is cute enough but doesn't always give massages unless the other gals are busy or you request her specifically. The dry cleaner shut down a couple of years ago and is something else now, so there is no "Elephant" there.

Only had the girl in the field of yellow flowers. She messaged me out of the blue just today and asked me to come. I said I read on a western website the price is now 299 instead of 399, but she said no it's still 399. Asked if she'd meet at another place, she said no, and even if she did it'd still be 399 and no other activities. Never tried any of the others. I matched with the one in the plaid shirt on tantan though! Never messaged her, but guessing she's only on there to advertise services. If yellow flower field wasn't trying to upsell me on a HJ or was willing to do covered oral for 400-500, I'd probably be a regular. But I've already visited her 4 times. Pre crackdown it was indeed 299, but she's wanted 399 every time after.

[Dave1990]

With things being so restrictive in Suzhou (and indeed China) lately it is good to remember that this place is still open and accepting foreigners. They do not offer FS or BBJ, though I can say from personal experience that most of the gals working there are looking for some extra income and are very open to going to a hotel once you see them a couple of times and talk to them on WeChat. I know tips go a long way and many have reported being able to DATY or at least lots of roaming given the right incentive for these ladies. Obviously the more Mandarin you know and the more long-term effort you are willing to put in, the further you can get. I believe a red envelope of about 800 RMB will get you a GFE experience with most of these ladies if you put in the time. In a lot of ways that makes the feeling of achieving FS from the Elephant all the more fun, as it is 100% not on the menu. Be respectful and don't be afraid to ask what is ok and what isn't ok for your first visit, translate via WeChat or other App if you need.

1) Location & History: "The Elephant" was originally given it's name due to it being right next door to a dry cleaning place with an Elephant for it's logo. It is located at 130 SuXiu Road (google pin at https://goo.gl/maps/MFd66KaSU4mMcCxR9) and the easiest way to find it is simply to add their WeChat of yxl273747 and ask them to share the pin / location with you in WeChat. The boss who runs the place has recently learned some English too and it's not bad, though none of the others there speak English. The boss is cute enough but doesn't always give massages unless the other gals are busy or you request her specifically. The dry cleaner shut down a couple of years ago and is something else now, so there is no "Elephant" there. They call it "Buttently Massage" on their business cards and their phone number..

2) Menu / Service: They have a menu posted on the door and upstairs, but here is a brief rundown. For 58 RMB you get 20 minutes of "cupping / scraping" and for 138 RMB you get a 60 minute Chinese Massage, skip all of these, they are all pointless and include NO EXTRAS or H. E. Your only real choices are 299 RMB for 60 minute of "Noble Oil Massage" which means you'll change into some disposable blue shorts, start on your back and get an oil massage, typically you get about 15 minutes of a mediocre massage that eventually ends with you losing the shorts and a very comfortable massage under your boys and member for another 15 minutes, then the flip where you can drag out the main event as long as you can stand it. Single pop and usually only some roaming outside the clothes is guaranteed, more depends on her comfort level and personal decision, or your tips. If you can control it you can get a 20-30 minute massage of your chest and privates that can be very erotic indeed, though the girl usually prefers to try to finish you off in 5-10 minutes and get it over with. The last choice is the 399 RMB "Relieve Meridian Health" massage for 70 minutes. It will give you everything in the 299 massage but with the girl taking off her top and using her chest and a piece of gummy / wet candy in her mouth that feels remarkably like a tongue if you don't know it is a gummy pop thing (sorry if I ruined it for you! She will body to body massage you, play with your ears with the gummy and breath in and out which feels very intimate and usually has you breathless and with your hairs on end. It is a much fuller experience and her top will be off for roaming which is nice, but again, it is 100 RMB more.

If you were in Europe / Australia / USA getting such service at such a price would be quite good, but better things used to be out there and available in Suzhou, but for foreigners with little language in the present situation, this place can be really fantastic, even without Mandarin skills. Pro tip: If you speak some mandarin and want to get a little further, tell the boss you want the 299 massage, then when you get into the room give the lady the extra 100 RMB for the 399 massage but tell her to keep it herself and just give you the better service, she will make more and be appreciative of the extra cash while you will get a gal who is more willing to give you more and who already knows you understand how this all works AND that you're willing to give her more for more service. Be sure and get her WeChat and play her up so she can tempt you to come back again and when it feels right ask her if she can come to your hotel to give the same service but she keeps all the money rather than giving most of it to the owner. Also even a 20-50 RMB tip goes a long way with these ladies, they are really struggling for customers right now I'd expect!

3) Facilities and logistics: See the photos for more details, they have recently renovated and the rooms are larger and cleaner than before. The down side is the price is higher than it used to be, it was 258 RMB for the 299 service before and it was for 90-100 minutes rather than 60. If you become a regular you can easily talk them down to the old price or haggle for more time on future visits, they are NOT that busy right now and want your business. The ladies working there get free room and board including 2 meals a day plus about 70-100 RMB per massage, imagine doing this work for $15 USD per hour, pretty crazy. They rely on tips and want to upsell you, frequently they get drunk Chinese guys late at night who don't know what they are doing to pay 1000 or more for some extras, which is how the girls really make their money. If you want 2 girls or even more that is totally OK too, it is just double the price. It is pretty great to have one rubbing your chest while the other handles the stuff further south and getting them to trade off at will. Don't be shy about what you want, they will accommodate lots of kinky stuff if you ask too.

4) The ladies: There are 5 ladies working there, they usually have 2 come in earlier in the day around noon and stay till 10 pm, then the other 3 come in around 2 or 3 PM and work the late shift until closing around 1-2 AM or when there are no more customers. You get the best selection in late afternoon or early evening (so from 3-6) before other customers come in. They have a rotating schedule so you will just get the next girl up on the list unless you specifically ask for someone. Don't be shy about asking for a specific lady and be sure you know what "number" she is for next time if you like her. You can call / WeChat ahead and be sure she is working / available that day too. The ladies much prefer you ask for them by number as it jumps them in the rotation but still keeps their place in line when you ask for them ahead of time by number. If you just get there and point at the one you want you will get her but she will lose her place in the queue. The ladies are mostly in their late 20's or early 30's though a couple of them are in their late 30's, but if you can't tell, does it really matter? They have had as many as 8-10 working there at a time but it was just too many for too few customers. They are all pretty attractive but obviously that depends on your taste and no they are not all 22 year old beauties out of modeling school. They are all real women just trying to make a living and they try honestly to earn their living. Treat them well and you might get invited to KTV with them after hours or to lunch with the team. Play your hand right and come across as a genuine guy who isn't just there for a one-time fix and you can get quite far with them.

Lots of photos attached and feel free to ask questions. I have been coming to the Elephant off and on for over 7 years and still go a few times a month when I want a guaranteed level of service where everyone knows my name. Think of it as the Cheers Bar with a happy ending, ha ha!

[Only Visiting]

If dancehalls reopen and are really hygienic and accept foreigners. Oh man that'd be just fantastic. That was the main reason I never wanted to go there. Just disgusting and no soap in the bathrooms.

Dancehalls are a good place to meet women and do a pre-selection. If you want to do more you can invite them, some can receive visitors at their home. Many hotels offer short stay for 100 RMB or less.

But as far as I know dancehalls refuse foreigners since "they are to blame for Corona".

[CoconutWater89]

Got into an "invite only" bbs place. It was from a previous contact who likes me a lot that I play wangzherongyao with occasionally. She rejoined the industry after a recent divorce and didn't tell me she was back in until recently. She was out of town visiting a girlfriend the last 2 weeks, but vouched for me and gave the boss man my wechat. She's about 4'10 and 42 kg and 30 years old. She really liked foreigners and had no discomfort with the larger units when I was her regular about 3.5 years back.

I dropped by last Saturday, about 30 minutes didi from my home in hudong. The location is ultra hidden and it was a bit tough to follow directions spoken on the phone, but the dude's mandarin was fairly clear and I found the place. 5 girls inside. 3 very pretty, 1 okay, one kinda fat but still not horrible or anything. First one I chose just gave me a dirty look, I chose another one. 20 years old, shaved Bush (and small sees big BS, thin, pretty, maybe 165 cm tall. BBBJ "good" technique but not elite. Once we got to the main course, she basically forbid me from putting in more than half. I measure just over 18 cm which is not freakishly long, but much thicker than usual. She was perhaps a bit rushing, but I've had worse. There were no other customers at the time.

As I was leaving I said I'd be walking around for 30 minutes and come back to select a new one, a large boobed taller specimen with glasses and a sexy blue dress with cleavage pushed up and out. I come back and she says no, "my health will be poor tomorrow". I pick the same one I picked first on first visit, she also says no again. Then finally I ask the one who agreed first if she's okay with round two, and she too declines. The boss man, very surprisingly, pleads with all of them and says "WHAT? He speaks Chinese better than any foreigner, he's good, why not? It's awkward as fuck and the place is swarming with Chinese dudes so I apologize and excuse myself.

I text him later "this is pretty far from my house. Next time before I come, I want you to ask if any girls can accept a foreigner. You can show them all of my pictures on wechat. If they say no, that's okay, just don't want to waste time and didi fee coming". He agrees.

There were TONS of customers on that night when I showed up the second time, which I suspect is why I was soundly rebuffed. Literally 10 guys leaving as I was coming in, then another 6 in the building when I entered. When money isn't flowing in so much that night, they might be more eager. But the one in the blue dress seemed to very legitimately believe the recent propaganda that only foreigners are bringing in the coronavirus now and need to be avoided. It might be a rough few months. Still bruises my ego to be rebuffed in favor of ugly fat middle aged Chinese guys, but just got to remind myself that it's mostly an anatomical issue and don't take it personally.

We've still got the panli lu shops. Their bait-and-switch with the hot regular masseuses and mostly disgusting FS women is kind of annoying, but I've thusfar encountered 2 girls there I'd say were "bangable", with one being a great performer on top of that. She just needs to drop like 5-10 kg and even despite being in her 40's I'd be visiting twice weekly. The boss lady who was talking about getting some new younger / thinner ladies from the countryside said she was unsuccessful due to the virus situation, which is unfortunate. Old ladies are fine, especially in Asia. Plenty of great looking women in their 40's and 50's. But FAT is never acceptable, imo.

Did anyone look into those two massage shops that offer FS / BJ the guy posted about in January? Still can't figure out which ones he was even referring too, although there's one in the times square area that *might* be it, I'll go check this weekend at some point.

If dancehalls reopen and are really hygienic and accept foreigners. Oh man that'd be just fantastic. That was the main reason I never wanted to go there. Just disgusting and no soap in the bathrooms.