Prostitution and Law Enforcement

[The Cane]

If you ever went to the Hotel Del Rey in San Jose, Costa Rica, then you know that in the main bar they had patches from customers on the wall. The wall behind the bar was covered in patches, and I remember the first time I went and saw patches from police departments from all over the United States. What hypocrites!

[Diogenees]

Lessons from the D.C. Madam Tragic Ending

Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the "D.C. Madam"
The good legal briefs, the terrible defense at trial and the Tragic Suicide
A history lesson about the waste of resources and lives over in private consenting adult sexwork
Outcall as in her service - legal in almost all the world except the U.S.

May 1, 2008 The Tragic Ending
Jeane Palfrey hangs herself on mother's property in Tampa, Suicide notes were found near the body, police say. Palfrey's 76-year-old mother, Blanche Palfrey, found her daughter hanged using a nylon rope from a metal beam on the ceiling of a storage shed outside her home,

One of Palfery's escort service employees was former University of Maryland, Baltimore County, professor Brandy Britton, who was arrested on prostitution charges in 2006. She committed suicide in January before she was scheduled to go to trial.

These deaths are so pointless resulting from victimless crimes against only the morality of certain religious groups that want to control our lives.

Summary from earlier reports
As I have extensively reported on, I had been in e-mail discussion with her civil attorney Palfrey lawyer Montgomery Blair Sibley.I read some of his motions which were excellent including using Lawrence vs Texas (see my articles at http://www.sexwork.com/legal/Lawrence_Index.html ) But her criminal attorney, Preston Burton at trial had in my view, a terribly lacking defense.

At trial her only defense was that she didn't know sex was going on with her escorts. I had suggested an aggressive defense using both Lawrence vs Texas and the fact that clients only paid for time not for sex and whatever happened during time in private with consenting adults with no money exchanged for sex, was not a crime.

I had discussed with prior lawyer what resulted in my article:
Is Paying for Time legal as long as not for sex?
Is it similar to how Restaurants avoid Liquor License laws?
At http://www.sexwork.com/legal/TimeNotSex.html

The trial was a total disaster with only the "she didn't know" defense used which prior escorts easily proved wrong and the defense rested from what I have read with no other defense. It was a slam dunk guilty verdict by the jury.

She was found guilty April 15 of money laundering, racketeering and mail fraud and faced a maximum 55-year prison term at her sentencing, which was scheduled for July 24.

Consolidation of my many reports is at http://www.sexwork.com/escorts/dcmadam.html
A lot of reading but a serious issue. Hopefully some of the ideas might be useful in a future case.

Dave in Phoenix
Promoting Intimacy and Positive Sexuality with honesty and integrity
http://www.sexwork.com
http://www.sexworkcanada.com
http://www.lovetouch.info
http://www.libchrist.com

I wholeheartedly agree. Very well said.

Such a shame.

[Hallo]

One of the first things Mao did when coming to power was to put a ban on prostitution. Anyone who visits the big c can easily see for them self, that this is not enforced, what so ever. Conclusion: China officials knows all about it, but does nothing to correct it.
Thailand was the focus country a couple of years ago, and the point was to blame western country’s for sex-tourism. Today we see china, and the situation is extreme. Only one thing is for sure: The west is not to blame. This is an internal china deal.
How can this go on? The answer is simple: officials are gaining from this. There is no way in hell that places like the sauna at Shanghai hotel – an entire floor of a major hotel in central shanghai – can be run without party officials approvement.

Here´s the deal:
I think there is a good reason to be careful when on mongering in china. Ok, no news so far, but why? Ok, its illegal, busts do occur, but that is not the main reason. I think those busts are very bad for everyone. No, the main reason to be careful is the obvious that a thing that seems to be good to be true often is.
Anyone that stayed in china for some time knows that the authorities are quit scruple free. I think that the saunas are places were important people (from a party point of view) can be compromised. The classic east-block Romeo trick has put a lot of people in very difficult possisions. Ok for an average Joe like you and me, this might not be a problem, but if you have something to loose; think twice.

[DavePhx]

Lessons from the D.C. Madam Tragic Ending

Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the "D.C. Madam"
The good legal briefs, the terrible defense at trial and the Tragic Suicide
A history lesson about the waste of resources and lives over in private consenting adult sexwork
Outcall as in her service - legal in almost all the world except the U.S.

May 1, 2008 The Tragic Ending
Jeane Palfrey hangs herself on mother's property in Tampa, Suicide notes were found near the body, police say. Palfrey's 76-year-old mother, Blanche Palfrey, found her daughter hanged using a nylon rope from a metal beam on the ceiling of a storage shed outside her home,

One of Palfery's escort service employees was former University of Maryland, Baltimore County, professor Brandy Britton, who was arrested on prostitution charges in 2006. She committed suicide in January before she was scheduled to go to trial.

These deaths are so pointless resulting from victimless crimes against only the morality of certain religious groups that want to control our lives.

Summary from earlier reports
As I have extensively reported on, I had been in e-mail discussion with her civil attorney Palfrey lawyer Montgomery Blair Sibley.I read some of his motions which were excellent including using Lawrence vs Texas (see my articles at http://www.sexwork.com/legal/Lawrence_Index.html ) But her criminal attorney, Preston Burton at trial had in my view, a terribly lacking defense.

At trial her only defense was that she didn't know sex was going on with her escorts. I had suggested an aggressive defense using both Lawrence vs Texas and the fact that clients only paid for time not for sex and whatever happened during time in private with consenting adults with no money exchanged for sex, was not a crime.

I had discussed with prior lawyer what resulted in my article:
Is Paying for Time legal as long as not for sex?
Is it similar to how Restaurants avoid Liquor License laws?
At http://www.sexwork.com/legal/TimeNotSex.html

The trial was a total disaster with only the "she didn't know" defense used which prior escorts easily proved wrong and the defense rested from what I have read with no other defense. It was a slam dunk guilty verdict by the jury.

She was found guilty April 15 of money laundering, racketeering and mail fraud and faced a maximum 55-year prison term at her sentencing, which was scheduled for July 24.

Consolidation of my many reports is at http://www.sexwork.com/escorts/dcmadam.html
A lot of reading but a serious issue. Hopefully some of the ideas might be useful in a future case.

Dave in Phoenix
Promoting Intimacy and Positive Sexuality with honesty and integrity
http://www.sexwork.com
http://www.sexworkcanada.com
http://www.lovetouch.info
http://www.libchrist.com

[CBGBConnisur]

New York and the entire USA is a waste of time if you are looking for paid sex. The big thing about America is the hype of a blonde woman, like Pamela Anderson etc.(who is really Canadian), the reality is that most American women look nothing like Pamela and more like Roseanne Barr. The only decent action is in North America is in Canada, and that is pretty much in Quebec and in Vancouver. If you want to bang blondes go to Germany, FKK clubs are amazing, and even though the Euro is strong, its still a good value.

NYC started shutting down prostitution for everyone but the superrich since the 1990's when Giuliani cracked down on SWs and cleaned up Times Square, since then the only action you can get is through expensive escort and incall services which carefully screen customers to make sure they are not LE.

[Starchild2012]

i suspect that, like illegal drugs and prohibition, the high-end prostitutes are still working at full speed and paying off le to work unmolested. it is the low end providers and their patrons who are hurt by making prostitution illegal.

are you nostradamus ?..man you were so right ...now we have clear picture

[George90]

a lot of people seem to think that police, politicians and your friendly neighbourhood moralists all around the world actually want to stop prostitution. i wouldn't be so sure. prostitution is illegal or more strongly regulated than any other industry in many parts of the world. but it still doesn't take colombo to find a working lady in most areas. look at who benefits from prostitution being illegal.

i suspect that, like illegal drugs and prohibition, the high-end prostitutes are still working at full speed and paying off le to work unmolested. it is the low end providers and their patrons who are hurt by making prostitution illegal.

[Bango Cheito]

You'd be SURPRISED at who little prostitution there is now in NYC. You'd really have to put in a Herculean effort if you came here not knowing the ropes and were looking to p4p. As a matter of fact I don't think you could do it if you were only coming for a short time.

And don't expect this site to help you either. There is a strong code of silence in effect for the few decent p4p opportunities that are still out there!

[John Pokes]

A lot of people seem to think that police, politicians and your friendly neighbourhood moralists all around the world actually want to stop prostitution. I wouldn't be so sure. Prostitution is illegal or more strongly regulated than any other industry in many parts of the world. But it still doesn't take Colombo to find a working lady in most areas. Look at who benefits from prostitution being illegal.

[Dr X Man]

I am very interested in what the law says and how it is implemented. You can always have safe fun without getting yourself in trouble.

Read these:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...386#post546386

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...479#post545479

When you consider the "public communication" aspect of the law it is really crafted to discourage street solicitation. The more aggressive uses of the law have seen it applied to hotel bars, your vehicle operating on a public street and other such places.communication btw also includes acts in furtherance as evidence of intent. I. E. You pick a street walker up in your car is an act of furtherance.

Canada and and "communicating with a prostitute law": Section 213 of the Criminal Code states that communicating for the purpose of prostitution is a summary conviction offence. Summary offences are considered "less serious"

This law sound like a lot like the civil "intent to solicit law"?

So the question is what defines who a prostitute is under canadian law. For example is talking to a prostitute condsidered to fall under this law?

[Bango Cheito]

the cops bust EVERYTHING, incall, outcall, SWs guys in vans full of girls driving around where you go in and pick one and they drop you off somewhere, stripclubs offering extras, massage parlors offering extras, underground parties, the whole shebang. They seriously mean to shut down sex for money for everybody in NYC who isn't filthy rich, and have come a long way towards doing it.

If you look at the reports in the NYC section and see how much it fell off in recent years, it is very telling. Of course, there are still SOME things going on, but nobody wants to post anything anymore. I am also personally convinced that there are lots of LE trolls on that board as well and have even notified Jackson once.

[Regor]

Instead of pursuing those pore females, they shoud do some usefull policework. A 9/11 and those who might come are more important. During the day those hypocrites talk of morality and at night they blackmail them in to a free fuck. We have no law that forbids prostitution and we have no shooting in the schools. You have to have a damm good reason to have a gun. That's are kind of morality. To mutch bible, to many guns and bloody ignorance, that fucks up a country.

[Party BMW]

I fully agree! I think they can't really follow all call girls that are not visible, they would waste so much time to operate a sting instead of just picking up a girl from the street that looks like a hooker.

Was watching A and E last night when they had a pretty good show about street prostitution. A lot of the american ISG members complain about the US being a "sex prison" so I was really interested to see what's going on.

First off, lot's of the street walkers seem to have drug problems. Also, many of them operate under the control of a pimp. These are the girls that represent 4 out of 5 arrests for prostitution..... so the cops are really concentrating on the SW's.

In contrast, 4 of 5 pro's work INDOORS at massage parlors and escort agencies..... according to the show. Police actions against these places represent only 1 out of 5 arrests.

That means that 80% of arrests are being made against the 20% minority of girls who work on the street.

This led me to conclude that the cops don't really give a fuck about eliminating prostitution as an illegal activity. They just want to keep the street action down to a level that doesn't look too bad. Total fucking hypocrisy!

It's the same thing where I live. On the street, it'sHooker busts and sting ops against the Johns, while the indoor scene goes full steam ahead and nobody says a word.

Rock

[Hizark21]

Canada and and "communicating with a prostitute law": Section 213 of the Criminal Code states that communicating for the purpose of prostitution is a summary conviction offence. Summary offences are considered "less serious"

This law sound like a lot like the civil "intent to solicit law".

So the question is what defines who a prostitute is under Canadian law. For example is talking to a prostitute condsidered to fall under this law.

[Rock Dog]

Was watching A and E last night when they had a pretty good show about street prostitution. A lot of the american ISG members complain about the US being a "sex prison" so I was really interested to see what's going on.

First off, lot's of the street walkers seem to have drug problems. Also, many of them operate under the control of a pimp. These are the girls that represent 4 out of 5 arrests for prostitution..... so the cops are really concentrating on the SW's.

In contrast, 4 of 5 pro's work INDOORS at massage parlors and escort agencies..... according to the show. Police actions against these places represent only 1 out of 5 arrests.

That means that 80% of arrests are being made against the 20% minority of girls who work on the street.

This led me to conclude that the cops don't really give a fuck about eliminating prostitution as an illegal activity. They just want to keep the street action down to a level that doesn't look too bad. Total fucking hypocrisy!

It's the same thing where I live. On the street, it'sHooker busts and sting ops against the Johns, while the indoor scene goes full steam ahead and nobody says a word.

Rock